Re: The future of "nv" driver (was: Linux compatible mainboards -another thought)

2010-04-27 Thread Alexander Samad
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:36 AM, James P. Wallen wrote: > > On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> [snip] >> Once you've got the hardware, you might as well use it, even if it >> requires >> non-free drivers.  The manufacturer has already got their cut of what you >> paid; you

Re: The future of "nv" driver (was: Linux compatible mainboards -another thought)

2010-04-27 Thread James P. Wallen
On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: And I claim he would be better off using a card that doesn't use firmware[1] or uses free firmware, since non-free firmware is an issue for distributors and it's relatively easy to "accidentally" participate in distributing software in vio

Re: The future of "nv" driver (was: Linux compatible mainboards -another thought)

2010-04-27 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Monday 26 April 2010 20:27:14 Celejar wrote: > On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:03:07 -0500 > "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." wrote: > > On Monday 26 April 2010 16:34:36 Celejar wrote: > > > On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:16:32 -0500 > > > "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." wrote: > > > > On Monday 26 April 2010 15:09:57 Celeja

Re: The future of "nv" driver (was: Linux compatible mainboards -another thought)

2010-04-26 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:03:07 -0500 "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." wrote: > On Monday 26 April 2010 16:34:36 Celejar wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:16:32 -0500 > > "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." wrote: > > > On Monday 26 April 2010 15:09:57 Celejar wrote: > > > > What makes the non-free firmware question

Re: The future of "nv" driver (was: Linux compatible mainboards -another thought)

2010-04-26 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Monday 26 April 2010 16:34:36 Celejar wrote: > On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:16:32 -0500 > "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." wrote: > > On Monday 26 April 2010 15:09:57 Celejar wrote: > > > What makes the non-free firmware question particularly interesting is > > > that the alternative is often to hardcode the

Re: The future of "nv" driver (was: Linux compatible mainboards -another thought)

2010-04-26 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:16:32 -0500 "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." wrote: > On Monday 26 April 2010 15:09:57 Celejar wrote: ... > > What makes the non-free firmware question particularly interesting is > > that the alternative is often to hardcode the functionality into the > > hardware. Now, if you

Re: The future of "nv" driver (was: Linux compatible mainboards -another thought)

2010-04-26 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
On Monday 26 April 2010 15:09:57 Celejar wrote: > On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 08:03:24 -0400 > "James P. Wallen" wrote: > > On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Celejar wrote: > > > On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:53:27 -0400 > > > "James P. Wallen" wrote: > > >> Heck, I haven't even installed the non-free firmware to make

Re: The future of "nv" driver (was: Linux compatible mainboards -another thought)

2010-04-26 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 08:03:24 -0400 "James P. Wallen" wrote: > > > On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Celejar wrote: > > On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:53:27 -0400 > > "James P. Wallen" wrote: > > > > ... > > > >> Heck, I haven't even installed the non-free firmware to make wireless > >> work in a couple of th

Re: Re: The future of "nv" driver (was: Linux compatible mainboards -another thought)

2010-04-26 Thread James P. Wallen
On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Celejar wrote: On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:53:27 -0400 "James P. Wallen" wrote: ... Heck, I haven't even installed the non-free firmware to make wireless work in a couple of these notebooks. Firmware runs on the external hardware, not the system, so system stability

Re: The future of "nv" driver (was: Linux compatible mainboards -another thought)

2010-04-25 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:53:27 -0400 "James P. Wallen" wrote: ... > Heck, I haven't even installed the non-free firmware to make wireless > work in a couple of these notebooks. Firmware runs on the external hardware, not the system, so system stability shouldn't be an issue. I assume that here

Re: Re: The future of "nv" driver (was: Linux compatible mainboards -another thought)

2010-04-24 Thread James P. Wallen
On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: > That's one difference between us: I don't use Compiz. That's not a difference. I don't use it, either. My use of Compiz was just a part of exploration of the Gnome DE. I don't even use Gnome now. > ... because I don't need glitzy special effect

Re: The future of "nv" driver (was: Linux compatible mainboards -another thought)

2010-04-24 Thread Ron Johnson
On 04/24/2010 08:53 AM, James P. Wallen wrote: On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/22/2010 08:49 AM, Stephen Powell wrote: [snip] I shall now avoid, when possible, computers with Nvidia graphics cards. Except that Nvidia's drivers are still *much* better than ATI's drivers

Re: Re: The future of "nv" driver (was: Linux compatible mainboards -another thought)

2010-04-24 Thread James P. Wallen
On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 04/22/2010 08:49 AM, Stephen Powell wrote: [snip] I shall now avoid, when possible, computers with Nvidia graphics cards. Except that Nvidia's drivers are still *much* better than ATI's drivers. Insofar as my experience goes I'd have to q

Re: The future of "nv" driver (was: Linux compatible mainboards -another thought)

2010-04-24 Thread Jean-François Pirlet
> The VESA driver is not adequate > for many users. If I recall correctly, the VESA driver only makes > use of video graphics modes supported by the video BIOS. These video > modes often cannot exploit the maximum video resolution available on > many modern LCD displays. This was the main reason

Re: The future of "nv" driver (was: Linux compatible mainboards -another thought)

2010-04-23 Thread Ron Johnson
On 04/22/2010 08:49 AM, Stephen Powell wrote: [snip] I shall now avoid, when possible, computers with Nvidia graphics cards. Except that Nvidia's drivers are still *much* better than ATI's drivers. -- Dissent is patriotic, remember? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.deb

Re: The future of "nv" driver (was: Linux compatible mainboards -another thought)

2010-04-22 Thread Stephen Powell
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:36:27 -0400 (EDT), Camaleón wrote: > > Let me "copy/paste" from the official announcemnet¹: > > *** > "(...) For this reason, NVIDIA is dropping support, on new GPUs, for the > xf86-video-nv driver. > > Details: > > - NVIDIA will continue to support the existing functiona