On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:36 AM, James P. Wallen wrote:
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> On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>>
[snip]
>> Once you've got the hardware, you might as well use it, even if it
>> requires
>> non-free drivers. The manufacturer has already got their cut of what you
>> paid; you
On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
And I claim he would be better off using a card that doesn't use firmware[1]
or uses free firmware, since non-free firmware is an issue for distributors
and it's relatively easy to "accidentally" participate in distributing
software in vio
On Monday 26 April 2010 20:27:14 Celejar wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:03:07 -0500
> "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." wrote:
> > On Monday 26 April 2010 16:34:36 Celejar wrote:
> > > On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:16:32 -0500
> > > "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." wrote:
> > > > On Monday 26 April 2010 15:09:57 Celeja
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:03:07 -0500
"Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." wrote:
> On Monday 26 April 2010 16:34:36 Celejar wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:16:32 -0500
> > "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." wrote:
> > > On Monday 26 April 2010 15:09:57 Celejar wrote:
> > > > What makes the non-free firmware question
On Monday 26 April 2010 16:34:36 Celejar wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:16:32 -0500
> "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." wrote:
> > On Monday 26 April 2010 15:09:57 Celejar wrote:
> > > What makes the non-free firmware question particularly interesting is
> > > that the alternative is often to hardcode the
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:16:32 -0500
"Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." wrote:
> On Monday 26 April 2010 15:09:57 Celejar wrote:
...
> > What makes the non-free firmware question particularly interesting is
> > that the alternative is often to hardcode the functionality into the
> > hardware. Now, if you
On Monday 26 April 2010 15:09:57 Celejar wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 08:03:24 -0400
> "James P. Wallen" wrote:
> > On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Celejar wrote:
> > > On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:53:27 -0400
> > > "James P. Wallen" wrote:
> > >> Heck, I haven't even installed the non-free firmware to make
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 08:03:24 -0400
"James P. Wallen" wrote:
>
>
> On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Celejar wrote:
> > On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:53:27 -0400
> > "James P. Wallen" wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> >> Heck, I haven't even installed the non-free firmware to make wireless
> >> work in a couple of th
On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Celejar wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:53:27 -0400
"James P. Wallen" wrote:
...
Heck, I haven't even installed the non-free firmware to make wireless
work in a couple of these notebooks.
Firmware runs on the external hardware, not the system, so system
stability
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:53:27 -0400
"James P. Wallen" wrote:
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> Heck, I haven't even installed the non-free firmware to make wireless
> work in a couple of these notebooks.
Firmware runs on the external hardware, not the system, so system
stability shouldn't be an issue. I assume that here
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 08:55:52AM -0400, James P. Wallen wrote:
> Hmmm. Maybe Debian could set up "activation servers" that could
> determine whether or not we are using "genuine Debian".
Hmm... sounds like an interesting feature request for vrms.
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On 04/25/2010 07:55 AM, James P. Wallen wrote:
[snip]
Hmmm. Maybe Debian could set up "activation servers" that could
determine whether or not we are using "genuine Debian".
But seriously... each kernel module has a "license" field, so if a
non-GPL module gets installed, the kernel knows.
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 13:55, James P. Wallen wrote:
> Hmmm. Maybe Debian could set up "activation servers" that could determine
> whether or not we are using "genuine Debian".
Eeww creepy...
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On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
On 4/24/2010 7:31 AM, John Hasler wrote:
Mark Allums writes:
Ah, a matter of taste, then. (Debian tastes bad with Nvidia loaded,
apparently.)
No. A matter of support.
Okay. But perhaps a less loaded word than "taint" could be chosen.
MAA
I a
On 4/24/2010 7:31 AM, John Hasler wrote:
Mark Allums writes:
Ah, a matter of taste, then. (Debian tastes bad with Nvidia loaded,
apparently.)
No. A matter of support.
Okay. But perhaps a less loaded word than "taint" could be chosen.
MAA
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I occasionally turn on Xfce's compositing for specific tasks in which it
actually makes my work easier. But most if the time, it's off.
How do you enable it? Did you also have to add something to xorg.conf?
Desktop compositing in Xfce? I just turn it on in the Compositing tab of
the Window Ma
On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
> That's one difference between us: I don't use Compiz.
That's not a difference. I don't use it, either. My use of Compiz was
just a part of exploration of the Gnome DE. I don't even use Gnome now.
> ... because I don't need glitzy special effect
On 04/24/2010 04:09 PM, John Hasler wrote:
Mark Allums writes:
Ah, a matter of taste, then. (Debian tastes bad with Nvidia loaded,
apparently.)
I wrote:
No. A matter of support. Device driver bugs can cause crashes in
apparently unrelated parts of the kernel.
Ron Johnson writes:
I must
Mark Allums writes:
> Ah, a matter of taste, then. (Debian tastes bad with Nvidia loaded,
> apparently.)
I wrote:
> No. A matter of support. Device driver bugs can cause crashes in
> apparently unrelated parts of the kernel.
Ron Johnson writes:
> I must not stress my system enough, because eve
On 04/24/2010 08:53 AM, James P. Wallen wrote:
On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 04/22/2010 08:49 AM, Stephen Powell wrote:
[snip]
I shall now avoid, when possible, computers with Nvidia graphics cards.
Except that Nvidia's drivers are still *much* better than ATI's drivers
On 04/24/2010 01:14 PM, Stephen Powell wrote:
[snip]
I agree. I do not willingly use non-free software. I only use it if it's
the only thing that will work. I might change my mind if the Nouveau
driver gets picked up by X.Org and there's a standard Debian package
for it, and it works reliably
On 04/24/2010 07:31 AM, John Hasler wrote:
Mark Allums writes:
Ah, a matter of taste, then. (Debian tastes bad with Nvidia loaded,
apparently.)
No. A matter of support. Device driver bugs can cause crashes in
apparently unrelated parts of the kernel.
I must not stress my system enough, be
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 05:24:14 -0500
Mark Allums wrote:
Hello Mark,
> I've never understood the use of the word "taint" in this context.
For some people, maintaining a system with FLOSS software is of the
utmost importance. To them, adding stuff like the Nvidia drivers,
acroread, or any other so
On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
On 4/24/2010 6:26 AM, Sven Joachim wrote:
On 2010-04-24 12:24 +0200, Mark Allums wrote:
I've never understood the use of the word "taint" in this context.
It means the same as "contaminate". The practical consequence is that
nobody will accept
On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 04/22/2010 08:49 AM, Stephen Powell wrote:
[snip]
I shall now avoid, when possible, computers with Nvidia graphics cards.
Except that Nvidia's drivers are still *much* better than ATI's drivers.
Insofar as my experience goes I'd have to q
Mark Allums writes:
> Ah, a matter of taste, then. (Debian tastes bad with Nvidia loaded,
> apparently.)
No. A matter of support. Device driver bugs can cause crashes in
apparently unrelated parts of the kernel. Thus in order to properly
debug kernel problems it is necessary to have complete s
> The VESA driver is not adequate
> for many users. If I recall correctly, the VESA driver only makes
> use of video graphics modes supported by the video BIOS. These video
> modes often cannot exploit the maximum video resolution available on
> many modern LCD displays.
This was the main reason
On 4/24/2010 6:26 AM, Sven Joachim wrote:
On 2010-04-24 12:24 +0200, Mark Allums wrote:
I've never understood the use of the word "taint" in this context.
It means the same as "contaminate". The practical consequence is that
nobody will accept bug reports against the kernel if the nvidia mod
On 2010-04-24 12:24 +0200, Mark Allums wrote:
> On 4/24/2010 5:11 AM, Sven Joachim wrote:
>>> Except that Nvidia's drivers are still *much* better than ATI's drivers.
>>
>> Only the proprietary ones, and not everybody wants to taint their system
>> with these non-free blobs.
>
> I've never underst
On 4/24/2010 5:11 AM, Sven Joachim wrote:
Except that Nvidia's drivers are still *much* better than ATI's drivers.
Only the proprietary ones, and not everybody wants to taint their system
with these non-free blobs.
I've never understood the use of the word "taint" in this context.
[Possibly
On 2010-04-24 01:18 +0200, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 04/22/2010 08:49 AM, Stephen Powell wrote:
> [snip]
>>
>> I shall now avoid, when possible, computers with Nvidia graphics cards.
>>
>
> Except that Nvidia's drivers are still *much* better than ATI's drivers.
Only the proprietary ones, and not e
On 04/22/2010 08:49 AM, Stephen Powell wrote:
[snip]
I shall now avoid, when possible, computers with Nvidia graphics cards.
Except that Nvidia's drivers are still *much* better than ATI's drivers.
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:36:27 -0400 (EDT), Camaleón wrote:
>
> Let me "copy/paste" from the official announcemnet¹:
>
> ***
> "(...) For this reason, NVIDIA is dropping support, on new GPUs, for the
> xf86-video-nv driver.
>
> Details:
>
> - NVIDIA will continue to support the existing functiona
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