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On 05/16/07 00:39, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 03:09:06AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> Sure, but the Hindus aren't doing it in the name of God, Allah,
>>> Shiva or whatever. Hinduism has other problems but claiming an
>>> exclusiv
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On 05/16/07 00:41, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 06:09:36AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>> By definition, the natural man is *not* a spritiual man, and hence not
>> bron again, and hence not a Christian.
>
> So if you are not a
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On 05/16/07 00:40, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 09:17:20AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> On 10 May, Joe Hart wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> I really just wish that Christians would adhere to the lessons that
>>> they so firmly believe i
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 06:09:36AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> By definition, the natural man is *not* a spritiual man, and hence not
> bron again, and hence not a Christian.
So if you are not a Christian you are not spiritual?
--
Chris.
==
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 09:17:20AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 10 May, Joe Hart wrote:
>
> > ...
>
> >
> > I really just wish that Christians would adhere to the lessons that
> > they so firmly believe in. But alas, we have a whole lot of people
> > that seem to do well on Sunday and f
On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 09:58:24AM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
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> I will quote my own message:
>
> The difference is that the person "dressing" the lamb is preparing it
> for use, usually to eat. That serves a purpose in at least nourishing
> the body. I suppose sacrif
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 10:54:17PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> (I am currently in a hotel with a time-limited internet connection and
> it will run out in a few minutes. Therefore I cannot provide the actual
> citations right now. I will be back online on Friday, but by then this
> thread wil
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 07:08:42PM +1000, SB wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 05/09/07 04:02, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> >>> Ron Johnson:
> And Christianity teaches "love your neighbor as yourself".
>
> That doesn't mean that the humans who purport to believe in it
> actually foll
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 03:09:06AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > Sure, but the Hindus aren't doing it in the name of God, Allah,
> > Shiva or whatever. Hinduism has other problems but claiming an
> > exclusive franchise on truth is not one of them.
>
> And Christianity teaches "love your neighbor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10 May, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
I guess that depends on whether you consider the authorship of the
Bible to rest with God, or with the men who transcribed His words. I
MAINTAINER THE FORMER, you apparently the latter.
I BELIEVE THAT THE BIBLE WAS INSPIRED B
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On 05/15/07 06:47, Michael M. wrote:
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> sort out what's moral or immoral; personally, I think animal sacrifice
> is distasteful, disrespectful,
You're a vegetarian?
>and just one of many unappealing aspects
> of
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"Michael M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 14:53 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> >
> > My point is simply that the Bible clearly views sacrifice as
> > religiously valuable, and whatever the value may be, there's no a
> > priori reason to assume it'
On Sun, 2007-05-13 at 14:53 -0400, Celejar wrote:
>
> My point is simply that the Bible clearly views sacrifice as
> religiously valuable, and whatever the value may be, there's no a
> priori reason to assume it's less legitimate than nourishment. The only
> possible basis to attack the bible as c
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> >> Celejar
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 23:02:11 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 04:01:39AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
[...]
> Actually, sort of. The issue was that someone pointed out that the
> Bible "redefined" pi to be 3. My point was that if people want to
> criticize the Bibl
On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 05:07:20AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> Each gospel is only telling the part of the story that he sees as
> relevant to his audience.
>
I like to think of the Gospels as akin to getting the same news story
from CNN, the NYT, FoxNews and the BBC (and I don't mean when they
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On 05/12/07 02:58, Joe Hart wrote:
> Celejar wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 May 2007 11:40:20 +0200
>> Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> Celejar wrote:
On Thu, 10 May 2007 11:40:01 +0200
Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ron John
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On 05/12/07 03:48, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 16:55:07 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 05/09/07 15:54, Florian Kulzer wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>> It always struck me as odd that the gospels could not agree on whether
>>> Josef and Mar
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 16:55:07 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/09/07 15:54, Florian Kulzer wrote:
[...]
> > It always struck me as odd that the gospels could not agree on whether
> > Josef and Maria had to go Bethlehem for a census or if they had been
^ ^
Interesting how I sli
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>>> Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Roberto � wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 06:04:09PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
>> The same can be said about package managers. While we all most likely
>> agree that apt is a superior package manager, there are those that think
>> RPM is by far better,
On Sat, May 12, 2007 at 04:01:39AM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
>
> My point was that, since the bible uses "ten" and "thirty", there is no
> justification to force the passage cited by Ron into a "one significant
> digit" context. If we assume that the biblical texts were meant to be
> understood
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 17:13:25 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 07:41:10PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> >
> > Actually I understand the concept well enough to know that it cannot be
> > applied stringently if one deals with numbers that are divisible by
> > positive i
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On 05/11/07 19:40, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> the Western world, there's not a lot of love lost between Hindus and
>>> Muslims - but both are pretty mainstream (depending on where you are).
>>>
>>
>> I guess it depends on your
Ron Johnson wrote:
the Western world, there's not a lot of love lost between Hindus and
Muslims - but both are pretty mainstream (depending on where you are).
I guess it depends on your definition of "mainstream".
Christianity: 33% of world population
Islam: 21%
Hinduism: 14%
Norther
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 01:26:34PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
Roberto � wrote:
Let us agree that to every Christian and Jew (at least) God is a He.
Anyone read "Evangelical Feminism - A New Path to Liberalism" by Wayne
Grudem? Interesting book about interpretation of scripture. It talks about
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On 05/11/07 18:22, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> In the mainstream, traditional Western religions, God is described as
> He.
>
How many mainstream, traditional Western religions are there besides
Christ
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 06:23:32PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/11/07 18:15, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> >>
> > If by "open minded" you mean "don't believe the Bible",
>
> Pretty much.
>
> > in which case I
> > doubt their faith.
>
> I
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On 05/11/07 18:15, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 05:54:30PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 05/11/07 16:02, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the
>>>Father, t
Ron Johnson wrote:
In the mainstream, traditional Western religions, God is described as
He.
How many mainstream, traditional Western religions are there besides
Christianity?
Judaism.
With all the hatred that has been cast upon Judaism over the past
2000 years, c
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 05:54:30PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/11/07 16:02, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> >1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the
> >Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
> >
> > Let us agree that to every C
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> Ron Johnson wrote:
>>
>> On 05/11/07 15:19, Celejar wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 11 May 2007 13:26:34 +0200
>>> Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>> [snip]
>>
Let us just agree that to you, God
Ron Johnson wrote:
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[snip]
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the
Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Let us agree that to every Christian and J
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On 05/11/07 12:10, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Joe Hart wrote:
>> The difference is that the person "dressing" the lamb is preparing it
>> for use, usually to eat. That serves a purpose in at least nourishing
>> the body. I suppose sacrificing the lamb c
Ron Johnson wrote:
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On 05/11/07 15:19, Celejar wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2007 13:26:34 +0200
Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
Let us just agree that to you, God is a He.
In the mainstream, traditional Western religions, Go
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On 05/11/07 16:02, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
[snip]
>
>1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the
>Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
>
> Let us agree that to every Christian and Jew (at least)
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On 05/11/07 15:19, Celejar wrote:
> On Fri, 11 May 2007 13:26:34 +0200
> Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
>> Let us just agree that to you, God is a He.
>
> In the mainstream, traditional Western religions, God is described as
> He.
How man
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 07:41:10PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
>
> Actually I understand the concept well enough to know that it cannot be
> applied stringently if one deals with numbers that are divisible by
> positive integer powers of ten and which are written down as words.
> Obviously, "ten"
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 06:04:09PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
>
> The same can be said about package managers. While we all most likely
> agree that apt is a superior package manager, there are those that think
> RPM is by far better, and others that think the only real way to run a
> GNU/Linux syste
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 08:48:28AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 10 May, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> >>
> > I guess that depends on whether you consider the authorship of the
> > Bible to rest with God, or with the men who transcribed His words. I
> > maintainer the former, you apparently
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 01:26:34PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
> Roberto � wrote:
> > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:31:20AM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
> >> My point is that God, if She exists, is beyond our comprehension. We
> >> have to have faith in Her existence.
> >>
> > A valid point, except that God i
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> > On Thu, 10 May 2007 19:59:56 +0200
> > Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> >> Faith is by definition believing in something that c
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 04:19:39PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Fri, 11 May 2007 13:26:34 +0200
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> > > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:31:20AM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
> > >> My point is t
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> > On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:31:20AM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
> >> My point is that God, if She exists, is beyond our comprehension. We
> >> have to have
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 18:12:56 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 10:29:55PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> >
> > $ wcalc 10*pi
> > = 31.4159
> >
> > The god from the bible can create the universe, but he cannot round to
> > the nearest integer correctly? Did Brahma, Vi
Joe Hart wrote:
The difference is that the person "dressing" the lamb is preparing it
for use, usually to eat. That serves a purpose in at least nourishing
the body. I suppose sacrificing the lamb could be said to be nourishing
the spirit, but I don't think a court of law would see it that way.
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Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/11/07 04:40, Joe Hart wrote:
>> Celejar wrote:
>>> On Thu, 10 May 2007 11:40:01 +0200
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Celejar wrote:
> On Thu, 10 May 2007 19:59:56 +0200
> Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> [snip]
>
>> Faith is by definition believing in something that cannot be proven, and
>> that is what religion usually is. It is not wrong to believe in a
>
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Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/11/07 06:26, Joe Hart wrote:
>> Roberto ý wrote:
>>> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:31:20AM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
My point is that God, if She exists, is beyond our comprehension. We
have to have faith in Her existenc
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On 05/11/07 08:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 10 May, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 12:25:43PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> wrote:
>
>>> I agree with you on this. My point was that some American
>>> evangelical churches p
On Thu, 10 May 2007 19:59:56 +0200
Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> Faith is by definition believing in something that cannot be proven, and
> that is what religion usually is. It is not wrong to believe in a
> faith, and Roberto and Celejar do a good job of defending their religion.
On 10 May, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 12:25:43PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> I agree with you on this. My point was that some American
>> evangelical churches put a lot of emphasis on each person having a
>> specific, identifiable conversion event in their lif
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> Celejar wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 May 2007 11:40:01 +0200
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>>> Ron Johnson wrote:
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> I am playing the Devil
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On 05/11/07 06:26, Joe Hart wrote:
> Roberto ý wrote:
>> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:31:20AM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
>>> My point is that God, if She exists, is beyond our comprehension. We
>>> have to have faith in Her existence.
>>>
>> A valid point,
On 10 May, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 09:11:33AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> ...
>
>> Also, one should remember that "the bible" is not one book but a
>> collection of writings by many authors in different cultures over
>> a span of thousands of years. Many types
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Roberto � wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:31:20AM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
>> My point is that God, if She exists, is beyond our comprehension. We
>> have to have faith in Her existence.
>>
> A valid point, except that God is in fact a He.
>
> Rega
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>> Ron Johnson wrote:
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I am playing the Devil's advocate here. So I might as well fulfill
On Fri, May 11, 2007 at 11:31:20AM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
>
> My point is that God, if She exists, is beyond our comprehension. We
> have to have faith in Her existence.
>
A valid point, except that God is in fact a He.
Regards,
-Roberto
--
Roberto C. Sánchez
http://people.connexer.com/~robe
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Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 05/10/07 05:59, Joe Hart wrote:
>> Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> Suicide should be legal, but euthanasia is "someone else killing
>>> you", and I see that as a great slippery slope towards total
>>> government control over life.
>
>>
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Roberto � wrote:
> On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 07:59:56PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
>> Faith is by definition believing in something that cannot be proven, and
>> that is what religion usually is. It is not wrong to believe in a
>> faith, and Roberto and Cel
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On 05/10/07 05:59, Joe Hart wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> Suicide should be legal, but euthanasia is "someone else killing
>> you", and I see that as a great slippery slope towards total
>> government control over life.
>
>
> Well, it isn't. Neithe
On 5/9/07, Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 12:45:49PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
>
> 2) The bible that you refer to is full of contradictions. If one is not
> to commit murder, based in the Ten Commandments, then how can a god
> request that one sacrifice one's
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 12:25:43PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 9 May, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> >>
> > 1 Corinthains 2
> >
> > 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
> > for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because
> > they are sp
Joe Hart wrote:
Faith is by definition believing in something that cannot be proven, and
that is what religion usually is. It is not wrong to believe in a
faith, and Roberto and Celejar do a good job of defending their religion.
I expect anybody who's religion includes a meditative practice
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 09:11:33AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> This is a well known contradiction to biblical scholars. I don't
> remember the exact verses, but the gospels state in some places that the
> last supper was the passover meal and in other places state that
> passover was the
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 07:59:56PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
>
> Faith is by definition believing in something that cannot be proven, and
> that is what religion usually is. It is not wrong to believe in a
> faith, and Roberto and Celejar do a good job of defending their religion.
>
Your definitio
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Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> And I believe that a little hypocrisy is a good thing, and needed
> for the smooth functioning of society.
Well, hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue, and I've
always understood that as a positive thi
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> >> I am playing the Devil's advocate here. So I might as well fulfill my
> >> role. So, you're saying God was merciful on Isaac because a la
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Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:08:28AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >
> > Or better Biblical scholarship.
> >
> > By using the KJV, you are saying that Biblical scholars have not
> > learned any more Greek or Hebrew in
Joe Hart wrote:
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Joe Hart wrote:
steef wrote:
I really just wish that Christians would adhere to the lessons that they
so firmly believe in. But alas, we have a whole lot of people that seem
to do well on Sunday and forget a
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steef wrote:
> Joe Hart wrote:
> steef wrote:
>
>
I really just wish that Christians would adhere to the lessons that they
so firmly believe in. But alas, we have a whole lot of people that seem
to do well on Sunday and forget about
On 9 May, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 04:12:03PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> On 9 May, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>> > On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:02:24AM +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote:
>> >> Ron Johnson:
>> >> >
>>
>> > By definition, the natural man is *not* a spriti
Joe Hart wrote:
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I really just wish that Christians would adhere to the lessons that they
so firmly believe in. But alas, we have a whole lot of people that seem
to do well on Sunday and forget about the rest of the week.
Is it a t
Ron Johnson wrote:
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On 05/10/07 04:09, steef wrote:
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nice talking, joe. i have a question: what do you think of the
thesis:
'where belief begins reason ends' ??
String theory?
- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA USA
Give a man a fi
Amy Templeton wrote:
Wackojacko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
Well, since we are getting all scientific, the ratio of the diameter of
a circle to its circumference is in fact 3, if all you have is one
significant digit, which it appears is all we have from the text. Now,
On Thu, May 10, 2007 at 09:17:20AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The two are not mutually exclusive. The traditional interpretation
> of
> the "eye for an eye" verse is that the punishment should fit the crime,
> but not exceed it, i.e. "an eye for an eye", not two eyes or a life.
> This was
On 9 May, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 04:28:53PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> On 9 May, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>> > On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 12:49:41PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
>>
>> > ...
>>
>> >> I seem to remember that there are also a fair number of
>> >>
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Gnu_Raiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Please point one out.
>
> Please don't!
>
> It's like trying to explain why some people like vanila while others like
> chocolate. To some the very belief in a supreme bei
On 10 May, Joe Hart wrote:
> ...
>
> I really just wish that Christians would adhere to the lessons that
> they so firmly believe in. But alas, we have a whole lot of people
> that seem to do well on Sunday and forget about the rest of the week.
>
> Is it a turn the other cheek world we live i
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> Suicide should be legal, but euthanasia is "someone else killing
> you", and I see that as a great slippery slope towards total
> government control over life.
>
Well, it isn't. Neither is euthanasia there, but the government
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On 05/10/07 04:40, Joe Hart wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> [snip]
>>> I am playing the Devil's advocate here. So I might as well fulfill my
>>> role. So, you're saying God was merciful on Isaac because a lamb was
>>> sacrificed instead. Fine. So God
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Ron Johnson wrote:
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>> I am playing the Devil's advocate here. So I might as well fulfill my
>> role. So, you're saying God was merciful on Isaac because a lamb was
>> sacrificed instead. Fine. So God demanded cruelty to an animal, which
>> i
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steef wrote:
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> I really just wish that Christians would adhere to the lessons that they
> so firmly believe in. But alas, we have a whole lot of people that seem
> to do well on Sunday and forget about the rest of the week.
>
> Is it a turn the o
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On 05/10/07 04:09, steef wrote:
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> nice talking, joe. i have a question: what do you think of the
> thesis:
>
> 'where belief begins reason ends' ??
String theory?
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On 05/10/07 03:50, Joe Hart wrote:
> Raquel wrote:
>> On Wed, 9 May 2007 16:26:31 -0400 (EDT)
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>>> It helps to know something of the context when reading the
>>> bible. The people who Abraham lived among (Canaanites,
Joe Hart wrote:
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On Wed, 9 May 2007 16:26:31 -0400 (EDT)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It helps to know something of the context when reading the
bible. The people who Abraham lived among (Canaanites, IIRC?),
practiced sacrif
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Raquel wrote:
> On Wed, 9 May 2007 16:26:31 -0400 (EDT)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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>> It helps to know something of the context when reading the
>> bible. The people who Abraham lived among (Canaanites, IIRC?),
>> practiced sacrificed the "fir
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 04:10:42PM -0700, Raquel wrote:
> On Wed, 9 May 2007 16:26:31 -0400 (EDT)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> >
> > It helps to know something of the context when reading the
> > bible. The people who Abraham lived among (Canaanites, IIRC?),
> > practiced sacrificed the "
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On 05/09/07 19:10, SB wrote:
> Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:00:39AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> There is great debate as to whether the Hebrew says "kill" or "murder".
>>>
>>> Since, in the Old Testament, YHWH (the Tetragra
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On 05/09/07 19:11, SB wrote:
> John Fleming wrote:
>> - Original Message - From: "SB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Ron Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 09
John Fleming wrote:
>
> - Original Message - From: "SB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Ron Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 5:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [OT] Good, evil and religion [WAS] Re: A way to compile
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:00:39AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> There is great debate as to whether the Hebrew says "kill" or "murder".
>>
>> Since, in the Old Testament, YHWH (the Tetragrammaton, or Name of
>> God) both in Law and for conquest tells the Israelites to ki
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On 05/09/07 10:19, Gnu_Raiz wrote:
> Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> Please point one out.
>
> Please don't!
>
> It's like trying to explain why some people like vanila while others like
> chocolate. To some the very belief in a
On Wed, 9 May 2007 16:26:31 -0400 (EDT)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> It helps to know something of the context when reading the
> bible. The people who Abraham lived among (Canaanites, IIRC?),
> practiced sacrificed the "first fruits" to whatever gods they
> worshipped. It was not uncommon
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On 05/09/07 17:04, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 04:12:03PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> On 9 May, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>>> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:02:24AM +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote:
Ron Johnson:
>>> By defini
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On 05/09/07 10:41, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:34:56AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 05/09/07 08:24, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> 3) Anything God does is, by definition, right.
>> While true from a Believer's PO
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On 05/09/07 17:15, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 04:58:21PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 05/09/07 10:47, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>>> Well, since we are getting all scientific, the ratio of the diameter of
>>> a circle to its
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On 05/09/07 10:38, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
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>>
> Do a Google search for Frank Logsdon. Now, read some of the material
> there and then tell me what you think.
I read the first 6 Google links.
Lots of duplication and firey rhetoric, but not a
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