Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-13 Thread Joost Kooij
On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 12:32:39PM -0500, will trillich wrote: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 12:37:46PM +0200, Joost Kooij wrote: > > Nowadays, I just give a blank stare back and start mumbling about how > > great an application awk is and has been for the past twenty years. > > Then I try to start an

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-13 Thread Jeremy Gaddis
On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 02:20:26PM -0400, Brian Nelson wrote: > > Why would you be suspicious? I happen to like Outlook, and > > Because this is a debian-user list, and if you're using Outlook, you're > obviously not using debian. Really? I bet that'd be a surprise to the two Debian machines

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-12 Thread Mart van de Wege
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:23:31 -0400 Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mart van de Wege wrote: > > Aye, there's the rub: IT DOESN'T! Sorry for shouting, but the way > dselect > > handles suggests and recommends is braindead, to say the least. > > If I want to install some package and not the su

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-12 Thread Miguel Griffa
At 02:20 p.m. 12/07/01 -0400, Brian Nelson wrote: Jeremy Gaddis wrote: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 10:23:31AM -0400, Brian Nelson wrote: > > >>That said, I tend to be highly suspicious of anyone that posts email to >>this list with a MS mail client. It's one thing for a newbie that's >>having ins

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-12 Thread Joey Hess
Joost Kooij wrote: > In the case of a recommends:, it is usually a recommends: and not > a suggests: for a reason. When you add a package with recommends: > to your selections, dselect will propose the implied markings of the > recommended: packages. But you can still easily change and override i

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-12 Thread Brian Nelson
Jeremy Gaddis wrote: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 10:23:31AM -0400, Brian Nelson wrote: > > >>That said, I tend to be highly suspicious of anyone that posts email to >>this list with a MS mail client. It's one thing for a newbie that's >>having installation trouble with Debian, but it likely shows

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-12 Thread Joey Hess
Mart van de Wege wrote: > Aye, there's the rub: IT DOESN'T! Sorry for shouting, but the way dselect > handles suggests and recommends is braindead, to say the least. > If I want to install some package and not the suggests that go with it, I > can forget about dselect, unless I use shift-q to overr

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-12 Thread will trillich
On Tue, Jul 10, 2001 at 12:21:06PM -0700, abram olson wrote: > Thank you so much Kent! I figured out that I could > just uninstall gdm but I was disappointed with that > because I hadn't actually learned anything. > > And now thanks to you I have. > > Thanks again. look! someone who ENJOYS lear

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-12 Thread Eric E Moore
> "Jeremy" == Jeremy Gaddis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: You said: Jeremy> I use Outlook because I find it to be better than any piece of Jeremy> shit MUA that I can run on Linux. I happen to find Linux Jeremy> rather lacking when it comes to the desktop arena and when I Jeremy> actually have

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-12 Thread Jeremy Gaddis
On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 10:23:31AM -0400, Brian Nelson wrote: > That said, I tend to be highly suspicious of anyone that posts email to > this list with a MS mail client. It's one thing for a newbie that's > having installation trouble with Debian, but it likely shows ignorance > for a so-ca

RE: new to debian have questions

2001-07-12 Thread Jeremy Gaddis
ob", which half this list apparently has never heard of. j. -- Jeremy L. Gaddis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -Original Message- From: Peter S Galbraith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:05 PM To: Jeremy Gaddis Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: new

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-12 Thread will trillich
On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 12:37:46PM +0200, Joost Kooij wrote: > Nowadays, I just give a blank stare back and start mumbling about how > great an application awk is and has been for the past twenty years. > Then I try to start an argument on the relative merits of regular > expressions versus file gl

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-12 Thread Peter S Galbraith
"Jeremy Gaddis" wrote: > Allow me to expand a little bit. I don't have > the time to sift through every mail client listed > on SourceForge/FreshMeat/etc. to find one I like. > I've used Outlook for years, I like it, it works > for me(tm). If you don't like it, don't use it. > I promise you won

RE: new to debian have questions

2001-07-12 Thread Jeremy Gaddis
L. Gaddis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -Original Message- From: Joost Kooij [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 5:38 AM To: Jeremy Gaddis Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: new to debian have questions On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 02:01:30AM -0500, Jeremy Gaddis wrote:

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-12 Thread Mart van de Wege
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:04:16 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joost Kooij) wrote: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 03:19:00PM +0200, Mart van de Wege wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:08:58 +0200 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joost Kooij) wrote: > > > > > Dselect has a "select" mode that lets you manage your package >

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-12 Thread Alan Shutko
"Lamer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > btw, anybody would like to do a /Gout/look Express project? :P Seems fitting to name the project after a disease... ;^) -- Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - In a variety of flavors! Depart in pieces, i.e., split.

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-12 Thread Lamer
om: "Alan Shutko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:30 PM Subject: Re: new to debian have questions > "Lamer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > -- > Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - In a variety of flavors! > FORTH IF HON

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-12 Thread Brian Nelson
Jeremy Gaddis wrote: I use Outlook because I find it to be better than any piece of shit MUA that I can run on Linux. I happen to find Linux rather lacking when it comes to the desktop arena and when I actually have to do work instead of playing, I need something that works. Windows NT (and Ou

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-12 Thread Joost Kooij
On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 03:19:00PM +0200, Mart van de Wege wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:08:58 +0200 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joost Kooij) wrote: > > > Dselect has a "select" mode that lets you manage your package selections > > interactively. The advantage of this is that you retain full control >

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-12 Thread Alan Shutko
"Lamer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > i can't find of any way of implementing chinese-compatible (TM) > mail-and-news client ISTR that Gnus is chinese-compatible. At least, I believe it has Chinese encodings, input methods, and the means to display Chinese characters. (It shows Chinese spam qui

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-12 Thread Mart van de Wege
On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:08:58 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joost Kooij) wrote: > Dselect has a "select" mode that lets you manage your package selections > interactively. The advantage of this is that you retain full control > over package selections. Aye, there's the rub: IT DOESN'T! Sorry for shou

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-12 Thread Lamer
Calvin "Lamer" Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 02:01:30AM -0500, Jeremy Gaddis wrote: > > I use Outlook because I find it to be better than > > any piece of shit MUA that I can run on Linux. I > > happen to find Linux rather lacking when it comes > > to the desktop arena and

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-12 Thread Joost Kooij
On Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 02:01:30AM -0500, Jeremy Gaddis wrote: > I use Outlook because I find it to be better than > any piece of shit MUA that I can run on Linux. I > happen to find Linux rather lacking when it comes > to the desktop arena and when I actually have to > do work instead of playing,

RE: new to debian have questions

2001-07-12 Thread Jeremy Gaddis
son [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 8:17 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: new to debian have questions On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 04:46:04PM -0500, Jeremy Gaddis wrote: > FWIW, I absolutely loathe dselect. I'm sure it's > probably improved with the

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-11 Thread Joost Kooij
On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 09:47:39PM +0100, Eric E Moore wrote: > > "Joost" == Joost Kooij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Joost> Apt-get is generally much cooler when run as a dselect method. > Joost> It will save you many pains if you take 30 minutes to learn the > Joost> principles behind dse

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-11 Thread Brian Nelson
On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 09:17:10PM -0400, Brian Nelson wrote: > On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 04:46:04PM -0500, Jeremy Gaddis wrote: > > FWIW, I absolutely loathe dselect. I'm sure it's > > probably improved with the last few releases of Debian, > > but it used to be a royal PITA. > > > > The only time

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-11 Thread Brian Nelson
On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 04:46:04PM -0500, Jeremy Gaddis wrote: > FWIW, I absolutely loathe dselect. I'm sure it's > probably improved with the last few releases of Debian, > but it used to be a royal PITA. > > The only time I use dselect is during the initial > installation just because it starts

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-11 Thread Joost Kooij
On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 05:33:47PM -0400, Alan Shutko wrote: > Eric E Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > For the relatively uninitated amongst us, could you spell this out > > quickly. What does dselct do that apt-get doesn't? I remember > > hearing on a list that it doesn't handle suggests

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-11 Thread Alan Shutko
Eric E Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > For the relatively uninitated amongst us, could you spell this out > quickly. What does dselct do that apt-get doesn't? I remember > hearing on a list that it doesn't handle suggests and reccomends, is > there anything else? That's basically it. --

RE: new to debian have questions

2001-07-11 Thread Jeremy Gaddis
ECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eric E Moore Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 3:48 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: new to debian have questions >>>>> "Joost" == Joost Kooij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joost> Apt-get is generally much cooler whe

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-11 Thread Eric E Moore
> "Joost" == Joost Kooij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joost> Apt-get is generally much cooler when run as a dselect method. Joost> It will save you many pains if you take 30 minutes to learn the Joost> principles behind dselect and its slightly weird key Joost> assignments (it's still much easi

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-11 Thread Joost Kooij
On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 04:23:23AM -0700, abram olson wrote: > 1. I prefer my machine to boot to a command prompt > not to boot into X. Its set up to be using gdm. > Where do I change this? Can someone point me to a > good explanation of how debian boot scripts are > organized? Which init leve

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-10 Thread abram olson
Thank you so much Kent! I figured out that I could just uninstall gdm but I was disappointed with that because I hadn't actually learned anything. And now thanks to you I have. Thanks again. Abe --- Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > abram olson wrote: > > > I'm new to debain although I'

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-10 Thread D-Man
On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 04:23:23AM -0700, abram olson wrote: | I'm new to debain although I've been using mandrake | and freebsd for a while. | | I have a few questions that I've been up all night | trying to figure out. Any help will be greatly | appreciated! | | 1. I prefer my machine to boot

Re: new to debian have questions

2001-07-10 Thread Kent West
abram olson wrote: I'm new to debain although I've been using mandrake and freebsd for a while. I have a few questions that I've been up all night trying to figure out. Any help will be greatly appreciated! 1. I prefer my machine to boot to a command prompt not to boot into X. Its set up to