Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)]

1999-01-22 Thread Jernej Zajc
I wrote: > > [...] > > Only if we let it. We're not animals. We're human. We can control > > ourselves. Just because it rarely happens doesn't mean it can't happen. > > It can happen, of course, it's just that it's different. Such a > situation most likely deteriorates into "soem are more equal t

Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)]

1999-01-21 Thread Jernej Zajc
Eric Gillespie, Jr. wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Jernej Zajc wrote: > > > Being a Caldera newbie I find Debian idea so interesting that > > I'll probably switch. Point is, there is absolutely no > > commercial interests driving the development into one direction > > or the other. Developers ha

Re: Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)]

1999-01-20 Thread Ed Boraas
> >Debian IS international, AFAIC, and because of that, we are facing >terminology problems, even in English 'versions' close as >Canadian/American. Let's just take on our own to make sure the main >topic of a message is clearly outlined by more than s ingle term. > >Esperanto anyone? Certe! Se

Re: Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)]

1999-01-20 Thread Jack A Walker
IL PROTECTED]> (bcc: Jack A Walker/BII) Subject: Re: Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)] I thought Companies were owned by their shareholders. But I'm British. I hope Debian is international. So it might be worth using care

Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)]

1999-01-20 Thread Eric Gillespie, Jr.
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Jernej Zajc wrote: > Being a Caldera newbie I find Debian idea so interesting that > I'll probably switch. Point is, there is absolutely no > commercial interests driving the development into one direction > or the other. Developers have total control over what and how is > go

Re: Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)]

1999-01-20 Thread Christian Lavoie
> > > On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Christian Lavoie wrote: > > > > > > > I starting to think this whole mess started on a word understanding > > > > problem. I wouldn't name such an organization a 'corporation', =P > Written by someone in a Europeanish timezone ^ Looks like my timezo

Re: Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)]

1999-01-20 Thread David Wright
Quoting Greg Vence ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > "Eric Gillespie, Jr." wrote: > > > > On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Christian Lavoie wrote: > > > > > I starting to think this whole mess started on a word understanding > > > problem. I wouldn't name such an organization a 'corporation', =P Written by someone in

Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)]

1999-01-20 Thread Jernej Zajc
Eric Gillespie, Jr. wrote: > > I hope no one gets angry at me for reviving this thread, but I'm just now > reading it and I think this could be an important issue. > > Christian Lavoie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > My point is that this company would one day tries ot improve it's > > revenues

Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)]

1999-01-20 Thread Mark Phillips
> You're proposing this for Red Hat. That's fine, I'm proposing a similar > model for Debian. Maybe the membership idea is a good idea, maybe it > isn't. I can see some advantages, but I can also see some drawbacks. The > key is to get these ideas out on the table. We'll never know until we try. >

Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)]

1999-01-19 Thread Eric Gillespie, Jr.
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Mark Phillips wrote: > I was actually suggesting this for RedHat rather than Debian. I > believe such a model would fit RedHat much better than Debian. The > Debian model gives the votes and power to the developers and the role > of developer is a voluntary position. This i

Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)]

1999-01-19 Thread Mark Phillips
> I can see only two changes in Debian due to this corporation. Development > would (presumably) go faster because the developers are getting paid, and > Debian would become more well-known. > > I also liked the idea that someone suggested earlier, that people could > pay dues into this corporatio

Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)]

1999-01-19 Thread Greg Vence
"Eric Gillespie, Jr." wrote: > > On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Christian Lavoie wrote: > > > I starting to think this whole mess started on a word understanding > > problem. I wouldn't name such an organization a 'corporation', =P > > > > Since "corporation" is the legal term for the type of entity I am

Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)]

1999-01-19 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi, > An interesting question. The first step is (obviously) to convince enough > people. Especially the developers' we've been talking about. Surely they > have opinions? I'd be interested in such an entity. Count me in. -Ossama

Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)]

1999-01-19 Thread Eric Gillespie, Jr.
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Christian Lavoie wrote: > I starting to think this whole mess started on a word understanding > problem. I wouldn't name such an organization a 'corporation', =P > Since "corporation" is the legal term for the type of entity I am describing, I don't see what's wrong with ca

Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)]

1999-01-19 Thread Christian Lavoie
> > My point is that this company would one day tries ot improve it's > > revenues and influence the Debian distribution to fits its needs. Look > > at the recent discussions about whether to ship Slink as i386 only, or > > to wait until m68k and others are ready. If Debian had been > > commerciall

Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)]

1999-01-19 Thread Eric Gillespie, Jr.
I hope no one gets angry at me for reviving this thread, but I'm just now reading it and I think this could be an important issue. Christian Lavoie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > My point is that this company would one day tries ot improve it's > revenues and influence the Debian distribution to fi

Re: Debian goes big business? [was: Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)]

1999-01-13 Thread Christian Lavoie
> > I don't think Debian is usable to found a company on that. No company > > can actually control Debian, impose release dates and such needed > > things (for a company). Even if it's feasible, no company ever SHOULD > > have such rights, for Debian to keep it's spirit. > > > You are thinking in t

Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)

1999-01-12 Thread Christian Lavoie
> > This is BTW one of the weakest points of Debian. It is not very > > visible as a product and it is comparatively hard to purchase a Debian > > CD set on the normal market. Third party vendors unfortunately have > > probably a hard time to plan ahead with Debian given the uncertain > > release

Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)

1999-01-12 Thread Christian Lavoie
> > I agree I've been a bit too harsh. Maybe they actually do care (and they > > probably do, at least the programmers) about the community. But's let's > > face it, their bank account is the number one priority on the list. > > > Just don't forget that only those who do have an adequate income

Re: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)

1999-01-11 Thread Mark Phillips
> This is BTW one of the weakest points of Debian. It is not very > visible as a product and it is comparatively hard to purchase a Debian > CD set on the normal market. Third party vendors unfortunately have > probably a hard time to plan ahead with Debian given the uncertain > release frequency

RE: Suggestion for RedHat (was: RH vs Debian)

1999-01-11 Thread Christian Lavoie
Christian Lavoie UIN: 947212 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yep. But, IMHO, it has something to do with the feeling that if you > > work for Debian, you're working for the community, including yourself. > > If you work for Red Hat, you're giving money to someone who doesn't > > care about YO