On Sunday 09 March 2003 18:10, J. Lambrecht wrote:
> Sigh, and now i now why Debian's not for kids
By reading a book? Then I recomend a couple of books by Alex Comfort. Should
give you a real jump start to life. Don't believe anything you read and only
half of what you see.
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On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 06:53:54PM +0100, Carel Fellinger wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 09:53:08PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> ...
> > IMO, you can avoid anything printed by Prentice Hall except stuff
> > written by W. Richard Stevens.
>
> I think that's ill informed advice. Some of the be
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 09:53:08PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote:
...
> IMO, you can avoid anything printed by Prentice Hall except stuff
> written by W. Richard Stevens.
I think that's ill informed advice. Some of the best books on informatics
are from them, like:
A discipline of programming,
Have you ever tried package 'file-rc' ???
bye
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On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 06:10:07PM +0100, J. Lambrecht wrote:
> If SuSE is the ultimate example of a well-designed, well-executed plan
> for the management of startup scripts, Debian is the exact opposite. The
> Debian scripts are fragile, undocumented, and unbelievably incosistent.
What inhumane
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 10:19:46PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> Nathan E Norman writes:
> > There are some oddities in /etc/init.d on debian systems; some
> > maintainbers have, er, "interesting" ideas about scripting. However, the
> > cool thing about debian is even if the script is FUBAR I can re
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 09:53:08PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote:
>
> Doesn't anyone remember the horror of the monolithic /etc/rc* files
> that Slackware had?
Still has, doesn't it?
Anyway, the init scripts were one reason I held off switching from
Slackware to anything else for ages - at least
On Sunday 09 March 2003 8:17 pm, Carla Schroder wrote:
>
> Perhaps reading the whole book would be wise, before firing off angry
> missives about dissing Debian. Evi Nemeth is the premier expert on Unix,
> and this book, Unix System Administration Handbook, is probably the most
> respected
Er, Li
Nathan E Norman writes:
> There are some oddities in /etc/init.d on debian systems; some
> maintainbers have, er, "interesting" ideas about scripting. However, the
> cool thing about debian is even if the script is FUBAR I can rewrite it
> and the packaging system won't blow away my changes!
And
On Sunday 09 March 2003 7:45 pm, Monte Milanuk wrote:
> Does the Debian method work? Obviously, yes. Is it perfect? Probably
> not. Is it better or worse than SuSE or RedHat, I think that's a
> personal preference. For those of you who seem to take such offense to
> the notion, here's the emai
Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Doesn't anyone remember the horror of the monolithic /etc/rc* files
> that Slackware had?
I think you are being kind calling it a horror.
-jereme
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On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 10:08:00AM -0800, Eric G. Miller wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 06:10:07PM +0100, J. Lambrecht wrote:
> > // I am not on the list so please, reply to all
> >
> >
> > Sigh, and now i now why Debian's not for kids
> >
> > ---
> > "From : Linux Administrator Handbook p.35
It appears to me that throughout the book, the authors call a spade a spade
as they see it. Debian got called on this one; trust me, RedHat gets larted
far more specifically and often, and SuSE gets thwocked a time or two as
well. Just because a given distribution is your favorite doesn't mean
> The book sucks, would not dare to say so, since there is a forword by
> Linus himself. ...
>
> My mail originated mostly out of disbelief, i've been using Debian/GNU
> Linux on and off for the past couple of years and have successfully
> switched to linux since the past year or so. In my experie
I have to agree with others that criticism without specifics is not much
different than trolling.
I've been trying to grok setup on RH 7.2 and 8.0 lately, and I'm
bewildered by the network setup. There appear to be three separate
config files for eth0, but on second look they're all hardlinked to
On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 20:35:22 +0100
Frans Pop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Glad you think well of Debian. It seems to me that people reviewing
> Debian frequently make the mistake of looking only superficially and
> giving a negative opinion because they fail to understand the concepts
> behind it.
> Glad you think well of Debian. It seems to me that people
> reviewing Debian
> frequently make the mistake of looking only superficially and
> giving a
> negative opinion because they fail to understand the concepts
> behind it.
I have the same book, and had occasionally considered asking
I'd like to appologise somewhat for my earlier reply. Speedreading I missed
the fact that it was a quote from a book.
Glad you think well of Debian. It seems to me that people reviewing Debian
frequently make the mistake of looking only superficially and giving a
negative opinion because they f
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 07:51:12PM +0100, J. Lambrecht wrote:
> The book sucks, would not dare to say so, since there is a forword by
> Linus himself. (Don't tell me -they- put pressure on him to do so)
Much as I hate to say it, Linus is not God. :) Few here would question
his authority on kernel
All I know is that I've had Suse 8.0 on my office machine since last
September and as soon as I get a free couple of days, it's coming off
and debian going on.
I don't like the controlling sense I get from SuSe (an
anal-retentive's distro?) particularly the fact that every time I
install or updat
On Sun, 2003-03-09 at 18:10, J. Lambrecht wrote:
> // I am not on the list so please, reply to all
>
>
> Sigh, and now i now why Debian's not for kids
>
> ---
> "From : Linux Administrator Handbook p.35 (Prentice Hall,2002) "
>
> Debian startup scripts
>
> If SuSE is the ultimate example of a
J. Lambrecht said:
> Does anyone now if the SuSE startup scripts would work on Debian, or are
> there more well-planned startupscripts available for Debian.
if suse's scripts are "well thought out" then I hope debian never
has them.
just last week I encountered a stupid problem with their runlev
If this is your attitude, I don't think you are going to get much help from
this list.
No, the Suse scripts probably won't work on Debian.
Try to get a feel for how Debian is structured before you start making
general remarks without specific arguments about it.
I have been using Debian for 3
On Sunday 09 March 2003 9:10 am, J. Lambrecht wrote:
> "From : Linux Administrator Handbook p.35 (Prentice Hall,2002) "
>
> Debian startup scripts
>
> If SuSE is the ultimate example of a well-designed, well-executed plan
> for the management of startup scripts, Debian is the exact opposite. The
>
"J." == J Lambrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
J.> // I am not on the list so please, reply to all Sigh, and now
J.> i now why Debian's not for kids
J.> --- "From : Linux Administrator Handbook p.35 (Prentice
J.> Hall,2002) "
J.> Debian startup scripts
J.> If SuSE i
On Sun, 09 Mar 2003, J. Lambrecht wrote:
> // I am not on the list so please, reply to all
This is shockingly close to a troll.
> "From : Linux Administrator Handbook p.35 (Prentice Hall,2002) "
I haven't read this, but my expereince with Prenhall technical books has
not left me with a good im
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 06:10:07PM +0100, J. Lambrecht wrote:
> // I am not on the list so please, reply to all
>
>
> Sigh, and now i now why Debian's not for kids
>
> ---
> "From : Linux Administrator Handbook p.35 (Prentice Hall,2002) "
>
> Debian startup scripts
>
> If SuSE is the ultimate
On Sunday 09 March 2003 18:10, J. Lambrecht wrote:
> "From : Linux Administrator Handbook p.35 (Prentice Hall,2002) "
>
> Debian startup scripts
>
> If SuSE is the ultimate example of a well-designed, well-executed plan
> for the management of startup scripts, Debian is the exact opposite. The
> De
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