Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-21 Thread Marco
Am Thu, 21 Jul 2022 02:36:59 -0400 schrieb Bijan Soleymani : > On 64 bit machines it would have the same memory usage as i386 and > arm32 but with the extra registers and features that the newer > processors support. > > Something like that. Thanks for the answer. But is there really a need for

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-20 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On 2022-07-21 02:03, Marco wrote: Am Wed, 20 Jul 2022 22:11:08 +0300 schrieb Oskar Skog : When the x32 port becomes official, the only reason (that I can imagine) to use the i386 port would be for really old computers. What is the x32 port? I haven't heard about that yet. Seems it is a set

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-20 Thread Marco
Am Wed, 20 Jul 2022 22:11:08 +0300 schrieb Oskar Skog : > When the x32 port becomes official, the only reason (that I can > imagine) to use the i386 port would be for really old computers. What is the x32 port? I haven't heard about that yet.

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-20 Thread Oskar Skog
> Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I'm running Debian 10 on a 400 MHz Pentium II. 512 MiB RAM and a 240 GB SSD bottlenecked by a 33 MB/s IDE interface. So, Debian 11 hardware compatibility the same as for Debian 10? Because I don't want to deal with a (more) broke

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-19 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 11:26:36AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: Another thing that should not be forgotten is that the family of processors vs the ability to make use of firmware patches to fix bugs took a hit since family ID's of $0F and below could not be fixed with microcode. And many of them ha

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-17 Thread Tim Woodall
On Sat, 16 Jul 2022, Tim Woodall wrote: On Sat, 16 Jul 2022, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I ask because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 (1985) to i686 Pentium 4 and newer. Thanks I think I'm running it on an

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-17 Thread gene heskett
On 7/17/22 10:41, Stefan Monnier wrote: Greg Wooledge [2022-07-17 08:25:24] wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 08:35:33AM +, Marco wrote: But why the packages are still named i386 instead of i686? Because changing the name of the architecture would be such a massive pain in the ass, and would

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-17 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 08:35:33AM +, Marco wrote: > But why the packages are still named i386 instead of i686? Because changing the name of the architecture would be such a massive pain in the ass, and would probably break *so* many things, that it's simply not worthwhile.

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-17 Thread didier gaumet
Le dimanche 17 juillet 2022 à 07:40:05 UTC+2, Timothy M Butterworth a écrit : > On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 12:30 AM Marco wrote: > Am Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:26:44 -0400 > schrieb Timothy M Butterworth : > > > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I ask > > because I would lik

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-17 Thread Marco
Am Sun, 17 Jul 2022 01:34:07 -0400 schrieb Timothy M Butterworth : > All thanks for the responses but the situation is mute. Debian > already migrated to i686 as the minimum supported version a few years > ago. i686 supports Pentium 3 which is the oldest processor in use on > this thread. Some int

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 12:30 AM Marco wrote: > Am Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:26:44 -0400 > schrieb Timothy M Butterworth : > > > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I ask > > because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 (1985) to > > i686 Pentium 4 and newer. >

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread Marco
Am Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:26:44 -0400 schrieb Timothy M Butterworth : > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I ask > because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 (1985) to > i686 Pentium 4 and newer. It would be interesting what the benefit of that is. You may

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread Marco
Am Sat, 16 Jul 2022 15:40:08 -0500 schrieb David Wright : > Well, I have a "Intel® Pentium® M processor 1.50GHz". Unfortunately, > "M" does not exactly appear on either a "586←→686" scale, or a > "Pentium←→Pentium4" scale. Pentium M (also some (not all) Celeron M) are based on the Pentium 3 becau

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread Felix Miata
Timothy M Butterworth composed on 2022-07-16 11:26 (UTC-0400): > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I ask > because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 (1985) to i686 > Pentium 4 and newer. # inxi -CMS --vs inxi 3.3.19-00 (2022-06-16) System: Host: m7

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread Tim Woodall
On Sat, 16 Jul 2022, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I ask because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 (1985) to i686 Pentium 4 and newer. Thanks I think I'm running it on an eeepc. I don't know what processor that co

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread David Wright
On Sat 16 Jul 2022 at 15:17:03 (-0400), Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 2:26 PM Marco wrote: > > > Am Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:26:44 -0400 > > schrieb Timothy M Butterworth : > > > > > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? > > > > Yes, Pentium 3 600 MH

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread David Wright
On Sat 16 Jul 2022 at 18:33:11 (+0100), Darac Marjal wrote: > On 16/07/2022 16:26, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I > > ask because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 > > (1985) to i686 Pentium 4 and newer. > > Debian

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 2:26 PM Marco wrote: > Am Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:26:44 -0400 > schrieb Timothy M Butterworth : > > > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? > > Yes, Pentium 3 600 MHz (I think it is a coppermine). Works fine. > Out of curiosity what tasks do you use

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread Marco
Am Sat, 16 Jul 2022 13:30:29 -0400 schrieb Stefan Monnier : > Indeed, it has a Pentium mobile III-M at 1.2GHz. > > I'm not completely sure where that processor sits, to be honest, but > I thought it was based on a CPU core that came before Pentium 4. > E.g. the Pentium 4 supports SSE2, AFAIK, whe

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread Marco
Am Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:26:44 -0400 schrieb Timothy M Butterworth : > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? Yes, Pentium 3 600 MHz (I think it is a coppermine). Works fine.

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread Darac Marjal
On 16/07/2022 16:26, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? I ask because I would like to bump 32 bit OS support from i386 (1985) to i686 Pentium 4 and newer. Debian hasn't supported 80386 processors for many years. According to https://

Re: Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 12:17 PM Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Is anyone running Debian 11 on a processor older than Pentium 4? > > I'm using Debian (currently stable, tho I often end up moving to > testing) on my Thinkpad X30, yes. > The Thinkpad X30 has a 1.2Ghz Pentium M processor which is i686 n

Processors older than Intel Pentium 4

2022-07-16 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
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