[OFFTOPIC] Re: About dash as sh

2024-06-24 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Do shells suffer UB? I always thought that was a C thing. UB is a standard concept when defining programming languages. Most if not all programming languages have some form of UB or another in some part of the spec. C is special w.r.t to UB in two ways: - UB is not relegated to corner cases th

Re: [OFFTOPIC] youtube-dl blocked?

2024-04-23 Thread David Wright
On Tue 23 Apr 2024 at 23:19:48 (-0400), Stefan Monnier wrote: > > The site https://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/download.html > > is blocked? > > Now that you got answers, a question: what made you post this here? > AFAICT this has nothing to do with Debian (if you use Debian, you'd > more natura

Re: [OFFTOPIC] youtube-dl blocked?

2024-04-23 Thread Stefan Monnier
> The site https://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/download.html > is blocked? Now that you got answers, a question: what made you post this here? AFAICT this has nothing to do with Debian (if you use Debian, you'd more naturally install that tool from `apt` which won't fetch it from Github).

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Filling the FAT

2024-01-09 Thread David Wright
On Tue 09 Jan 2024 at 15:30:49 (-0500), Stefan Monnier wrote: > David Wright [2024-01-09 10:07:26] wrote: > > but what seems most likely is that the root directory filled up. > > The size of that is fixed when formatted, at least up to FAT16. > > Long filenames will eat it up more quickly still. >

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Filling the FAT

2024-01-09 Thread Stefan Monnier
David Wright [2024-01-09 10:07:26] wrote: > but what seems most likely is that the root directory filled up. > The size of that is fixed when formatted, at least up to FAT16. > Long filenames will eat it up more quickly still. Long file names are actually kept in a (hidden) files, so they don't ea

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Filling the FAT (was: playing CDROM music questions)

2024-01-09 Thread tomas
On Tue, Jan 09, 2024 at 10:57:29AM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >>What are you talking about? FAT does not get “overloaded” by long > >>filenames. > > Seen it happen; > > I have serious doubts about the "it". > > > Long filenames, mixed case, and files saved at the beginning of > > a session of

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Filling the FAT (was: playing CDROM music questions)

2024-01-09 Thread Brad Rogers
On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 10:07:26 -0600 David Wright wrote: Hello David, >The size of that is fixed when formatted, at least up to FAT16. >Long filenames will eat it up more quickly still. Create >subdirectories and the problem goes away. Yes, this is exactly what I experienced. So not the FAT at fa

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Filling the FAT (was: playing CDROM music questions)

2024-01-09 Thread David Wright
On Tue 09 Jan 2024 at 10:57:29 (-0500), Stefan Monnier wrote: > >>What are you talking about? FAT does not get “overloaded” by long > >>filenames. > > Seen it happen; > > I have serious doubts about the "it". > > > Long filenames, mixed case, and files saved at the beginning of > > a session of c

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Filling the FAT (was: playing CDROM music questions)

2024-01-09 Thread Stefan Monnier
>>What are you talking about? FAT does not get “overloaded” by long >>filenames. > Seen it happen; I have serious doubts about the "it". > Long filenames, mixed case, and files saved at the beginning of > a session of copying multiple files would be lost because the FAT was > filled, and overwrit

Re: [OFFTOPIC] On folders vs. directories and history [was: how to compare...]

2023-11-06 Thread tomas
On Fri, Nov 03, 2023 at 12:57:39PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > tomas writes: > > See my other reply. My whole point is about making lives of curious > > users easier by sticking to the terminology they'll find should they > > dare (yes,please!) to open that door to the cellar. > > The people at Xe

Re: [OFFTOPIC] On folders vs. directories and history [was: how to compare...]

2023-11-06 Thread John Hasler
tomas writes: > See my other reply. My whole point is about making lives of curious > users easier by sticking to the terminology they'll find should they > dare (yes,please!) to open that door to the cellar. The people at Xerox PARC and SRI who came up with the desktop metaphor in the early years

Re: [OFFTOPIC] On folders vs. directories and history [was: how to compare...]

2023-11-03 Thread tomas
On Fri, Nov 03, 2023 at 11:33:55AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Regarding Tomas' assertion, I'm not sure I buy into the argument > > regarding dumbing-down [...] > I guess in a sense what's going on here is that these words act as kinds > of "dog whistle". I don't think the argument that "dir

Re: [OFFTOPIC] On folders vs. directories and history [was: how to compare...]

2023-11-03 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Regarding Tomas' assertion, I'm not sure I buy into the argument > regarding dumbing-down. I am presume it does go on, but I don't really > think that one is stepping on to Big Tech's slippery slope to stupidity > by calling a 'directory' a 'folder' any more one would be by calling a > pointing

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: how to limit a CPU temperature?

2023-04-08 Thread Jeremy Ardley
On 9/4/23 00:56, Stefan Monnier wrote: I recommend to go fanless whenever possible. Computers should be silent. I have a fanless ARM router that even in high summer has no thermal problems (I am in Australia and I have no aircon). It does have a massive case bonded to the CPU I also have

Re: the front (was: " Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: how to limit a CPU temperature?")

2023-04-08 Thread Emanuel Berg
Jeffrey Walton wrote: >> What would happen, if we started a political movement based >> on nationalism and Unix? >> >> What would be the first thing we would do when we get >> installed as government? > > Annex the Netherlands, and take control of ASML. > Annex Taiwan, and take control of TSMC. I

Re: the front (was: " Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: how to limit a CPU temperature?")

2023-04-08 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 1:29 PM Emanuel Berg wrote: > > >> I recommend to go fanless whenever possible. > >> Computers should be silent. > > > > Yeah, optimally ... > > What would happen, if we started a political movement based on > nationalism and Unix? > > What would be the first thing we would

the front (was: " Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: how to limit a CPU temperature?")

2023-04-08 Thread Emanuel Berg
>> I recommend to go fanless whenever possible. >> Computers should be silent. > > Yeah, optimally ... What would happen, if we started a political movement based on nationalism and Unix? What would be the first thing we would do when we get installed as government? Maybe close the border or som

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: how to limit a CPU temperature?

2023-04-08 Thread Emanuel Berg
Stefan Monnier wrote: > I recommend to go fanless whenever possible. > Computers should be silent. Yeah, optimally ... -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal

[OFFTOPIC] Re: how to limit a CPU temperature?

2023-04-08 Thread Stefan Monnier
> i have a very tiny fan and heatsink that is right on > the processor. the rest of the system is fanless (no > fan for the PSU - no fancy GPU needed for what i do). > i almost bought a bigger heatsink so that the entire > thing could run without the fan, but the small fan > provided with the CP

Re: Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux

2021-11-23 Thread Nate Bargmann
I spoke with a friend about this yesterday who was in the area and has done quite a bit using SDR as a radio amateur. He passed along these links: https://etd.ohiolink.edu/apexprod/rws_etd/send_file/send?accession=wright1608139109925131&disposition=inline https://www.rtl-sdr.com/using-an-rtl-sdr-

Re: Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux

2021-11-22 Thread Georgi Naplatanov
On 11/22/21 00:47, Hans wrote: > Hi Georgi, > > yes, that sounds interesting. And fingerprinting of a transceiver is the main > thing. Thus, for example, you can identify people's radio transceivers, they > use to radio interfere. I am a licensed radio amateur, and those people are > often doin

Re: Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux

2021-11-22 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Sun, Nov 21, 2021, 12:23 PM Nate Bargmann wrote: > Interestingly, it appears that the original author was threatened with > patent infringement of US Patent 5,005,210[1]. It seems as though the > patent may have expired in 2008[2]. > > . > Thanks for that, the usual shady story. > Just

Re: Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux

2021-11-22 Thread Daniel Haude
As I know, there are also bibg applications ported from DOS to linux (like doom), I thoughtm that would be easy - just start a cross compiler, then fix some issues, ready. But I believe, it is not that easy, I suppose, this is a lot lot lot work. And as far as I understood, code from DOS C is fa

Re: Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux

2021-11-21 Thread Nate Bargmann
Hans, Georgi makes a good point about existing software. This seems like it would be a perfect addition to a Software Defined Radio (SDR) package. I've not investigated whether any of the existing packages available in Debian have this capability. As these programs capture an arbitrary slice of

Re: Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux

2021-11-21 Thread Hans
Hi Georgi, yes, that sounds interesting. And fingerprinting of a transceiver is the main thing. Thus, for example, you can identify people's radio transceivers, they use to radio interfere. I am a licensed radio amateur, and those people are often doing this on repeaters. They want to be anony

Re: Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux

2021-11-21 Thread Georgi Naplatanov
On 11/21/21 13:54, Hans wrote: > Hello list, > > I know, there are lots of coders here and I have a question. There is an old > DOS application I found, which is open source and GPL. > > As far as I know, this application is written in C, it is running in textmode > ("ncurses-mode"). > > Since

Re: Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux

2021-11-21 Thread Nate Bargmann
Interestingly, it appears that the original author was threatened with patent infringement of US Patent 5,005,210[1]. It seems as though the patent may have expired in 2008[2]. It appears no patent infringement suit was ever brought against the author. The noted rights holder, Motron, apparently

Re: Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux

2021-11-21 Thread Håkon Alstadheim
Den 21.11.2021 15:24, skrev Håkon Alstadheim: Den 21.11.2021 14:55, skrev Nicholas Geovanis: On Sun, Nov 21, 2021, 7:51 AM Nicholas Geovanis wrote:     On Sun, Nov 21, 2021, 6:46 AM Thomas Schmitt     wrote:     Hi,     Hans wrote:     > As far as I know, this application

Re: Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux

2021-11-21 Thread Håkon Alstadheim
Den 21.11.2021 14:55, skrev Nicholas Geovanis: On Sun, Nov 21, 2021, 7:51 AM Nicholas Geovanis wrote: On Sun, Nov 21, 2021, 6:46 AM Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Hans wrote: > As far as I know, this application is written in C, it is running in

Re: Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux

2021-11-21 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Sun, Nov 21, 2021, 7:51 AM Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > On Sun, Nov 21, 2021, 6:46 AM Thomas Schmitt wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Hans wrote: >> > As far as I know, this application is written in C, it is running in >> > textmode ("ncurses-mode"). >> > [...] I wondered, ho >> > difficult for an experi

Re: Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux

2021-11-21 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Sun, Nov 21, 2021, 6:46 AM Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Hans wrote: > > As far as I know, this application is written in C, it is running in > > textmode ("ncurses-mode"). > > [...] I wondered, ho > > difficult for an experienced coder it will be, to get a DOS application > > natively runni

Re: Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux

2021-11-21 Thread Hans
Of course, and this working, yes. But I thought, native linux might be better, and maybe someone may be happy for such a projekt. Just an idea. Best Hans > tried DOSEMU? > https://dosemu2.github.io/dosemu2/ > > -- > Fabio

Re: Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux

2021-11-21 Thread Hans
Am Sonntag, 21. November 2021, 14:03:36 CET schrieb Richard Owlett: if-module, this is intermediate frequence (as usual 455khz for example). Did not know the correct English word for it, sorry. Best Hans > On 11/21/2021 06:45 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > [snip] > > > > (What is an "if-module",

Re: Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux

2021-11-21 Thread Richard Owlett
On 11/21/2021 06:45 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: [snip] (What is an "if-module", btw ? Google does not give me proposals which look like radio enthusiasm.) I read that as "Intermediate frequency". q.v. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_frequency

Re: Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux

2021-11-21 Thread Fabio Martins
On 2021-11-21 08:54, Hans wrote: Hello list, I know, there are lots of coders here and I have a question. There is an old DOS application I found, which is open source and GPL. As far as I know, this application is written in C, it is running in textmode ("ncurses-mode"). Since there is no

Re: Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux

2021-11-21 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Hans wrote: > As far as I know, this application is written in C, it is running in > textmode ("ncurses-mode"). > [...] I wondered, ho > difficult for an experienced coder it will be, to get a DOS application > natively running in linux. Hard to say without seeing code and build system. Did

Re: Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux

2021-11-21 Thread Hans
Hi Nate (and everything else), if you want to take a look at the app, it is called "XMIT261". You can find it here: https://www.qsl.net/n9zia/xmit_id/down.html[1] It is the only source I found, for myself I made several backups, as I am not sure how long this is available at all. Although, t

Re: Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux

2021-11-21 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2021 21 Nov 05:54 -0600, Hans wrote: > Hello list, > > I know, there are lots of coders here and I have a question. There is an old > DOS application I found, which is open source and GPL. > > As far as I know, this application is written in C, it is running in textmode > ("ncurses-mode").

Re: Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux

2021-11-21 Thread Richard Owlett
On 11/21/2021 05:54 AM, Hans wrote: [snip] I can send the app wherever you want to (attaching it here, does not allow to send the mail strangely), so everyone can take a look. This app is available in the web, but a little bit hidden, if you do not know its exactly name. And the name of this

Offtopic: Transfer a programm from DOS to Linux

2021-11-21 Thread Hans
Hello list, I know, there are lots of coders here and I have a question. There is an old DOS application I found, which is open source and GPL. As far as I know, this application is written in C, it is running in textmode ("ncurses-mode"). Since there is no similar linux based application like

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: mail service

2021-10-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 10 oct 21, 10:31:58, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > In general, the circumstances which would require one to use a tool like > > protonmail are not commonly observed in connection with a list like > > debian-user. > > While protonmail might be used for such situations, in my experience > most pr

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: mail service

2021-10-11 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 10 oct 21, 17:18:13, fxkl47BF wrote: > just one more thing > > posteo was mentioned as an alternative > i have a posteo account i will drop in a few months > their spam policy is to bounce it back to the sender > the account own has no say > > i also have a mailfence account i will drop >

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: mail service

2021-10-10 Thread Brian
On Sun 10 Oct 2021 at 19:46:39 +, fxkl47BF wrote: [Mangled quoted text deleted] > > You have a link to a statement of this policy? > > > > - > > > > Brian. > > i do not > only a personal email from supp...@posteo.de I tend to take such mails f

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: mail service

2021-10-10 Thread fxkl47BF
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, October 10th, 2021 at 1:46 PM, Brian wrote: > On Sun 10 Oct 2021 at 17:18:13 +, fxkl47BF wrote: > > > just one more thing > > > > posteo was mentioned as an alternative > > > > i have a posteo account i will drop in a few months > > > > their spam

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: mail service

2021-10-10 Thread Brian
On Sun 10 Oct 2021 at 17:18:13 +, fxkl47BF wrote: > just one more thing > > posteo was mentioned as an alternative > i have a posteo account i will drop in a few months > their spam policy is to bounce it back to the sender > the account own has no say You have a link to a statement of this

[OFFTOPIC] Re: mail service

2021-10-10 Thread Stefan Monnier
> In general, the circumstances which would require one to use a tool like > protonmail are not commonly observed in connection with a list like > debian-user. While protonmail might be used for such situations, in my experience most protonmail users I've seen are just people that are sufficiently

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: mail service

2021-10-10 Thread fxkl47BF
just one more thing posteo was mentioned as an alternative i have a posteo account i will drop in a few months their spam policy is to bounce it back to the sender the account own has no say i also have a mailfence account i will drop a while back i stopped getting mail from my bank i investigate

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: mail service

2021-10-10 Thread fxkl47BF
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, October 10th, 2021 at 9:31 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > In general, the circumstances which would require one to use a tool like > > > > protonmail are not commonly observed in connection with a list like > > > > debian-user. > > While protonmail mig

Re: [Going OFFTOPIC ] Harmonic Analysis ( was: moderators, I would appreciate if you could interfere)

2021-08-15 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-15 10:26 p.m., Jeremy Ardley wrote: > > On 16/8/21 10:17 am, Weaver wrote: >> >> Any idiot can edit a page there. >> Cheers! >> >> Harry. >> > And they frequently do! > > Yesterday I looked up 'harmonic analysis' of which I am a subject > expert. The article was virtually incomprehen

Re: Fwd: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-15 Thread Tixy
On Sat, 2021-08-14 at 20:44 +0100, Michael Howard wrote: > and her is an off list reply reply from the less than honourable Polyna I killfiled them weeks ago, I don't know why people do just do similar and move on...

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-14 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-14 3:51 p.m., Curt wrote: > On 2021-08-14, Michael Howard wrote: >> On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote: > >>> Don't forget IP over drums, and of course IP over lanterns in church >>> steeples ("Two if by sea", etc.) >>> >> >> Please take this shit off list! >> > >

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-14 Thread Michael Howard
On 14/08/2021 20:51, Curt wrote: On 2021-08-14, Michael Howard wrote: On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote: Don't forget IP over drums, and of course IP over lanterns in church steeples ("Two if by sea", etc.) Please take this shit off list! IP overwrought, is that it?

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-14 Thread Curt
On 2021-08-14, Michael Howard wrote: > On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote: >> Don't forget IP over drums, and of course IP over lanterns in church >> steeples ("Two if by sea", etc.) >> > > Please take this shit off list! > IP overwrought, is that it?

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-14 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-14 2:35 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 01:27:43PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: >> Charlie Gibbs writes: >>> Some people will respond by switching to a different e-mail address in >>> order to work around the killfiles they know they're now in. >> >> Fortunately Gnus

Fwd: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-14 Thread Michael Howard
and her is an off list reply reply from the less than honourable Polyna Forwarded Message Subject:Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2021 15:41:22 -0400 From: Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside To: Michael Howard On

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-14 Thread Marco Möller
On 14.08.21 21:35, Michael Howard wrote: Give the normal amongst us a break. This stuff is NOT debian, it is social ineptitude and it has to stop. Form yourselves a chat group somewhere, just NOT here. Please? -- Michael Howard. +1 --- Marco

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-14 Thread Michael Howard
On 14/08/2021 20:25, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: Hi, On 2021-08-14 2:53 p.m., Michael Howard wrote: On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 07:37:00 -0500 John Hasler wrote: tomas writes: But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it? Yup.  Back in the 186

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-14 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-08-14 2:53 p.m., Michael Howard wrote: > On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote: >> On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 07:37:00 -0500 >> John Hasler wrote: >> >>> tomas writes: But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it? >>> Yup.  Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph.  Earli

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-14 Thread Michael Howard
On 14/08/2021 16:08, Charles Curley wrote: On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 07:37:00 -0500 John Hasler wrote: tomas writes: But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it? Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier yet we used heliograph. Signal fires on hilltops were slow, but wo

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-14 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 01:27:43PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Charlie Gibbs writes: > > Some people will respond by switching to a different e-mail address in > > order to work around the killfiles they know they're now in. > > Fortunately Gnus can filter on things such as substrings of message

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-14 Thread John Hasler
Charlie Gibbs writes: > Some people will respond by switching to a different e-mail address in > order to work around the killfiles they know they're now in. Fortunately Gnus can filter on things such as substrings of message IDs and other identifying header features that the trolls are unaware o

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-14 Thread Charlie Gibbs
On Sat Aug 14 10:23:31 2021 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > On 2021-08-13 4:59 p.m., John Hasler wrote: > >> Stefan writes: >> >>> How odd. I always assumed that it was the comic-strip style >>> representation of the sound of hanging up the phone abruptly. >> >> No. I was there when i

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-14 Thread Charles Curley
On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 07:37:00 -0500 John Hasler wrote: > tomas writes: > > But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it? > > Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier > yet we used heliograph. Signal fires on hilltops were slow, but > worked. And, of course, pigeons.

Re: [OFFTOPIC] CoCo and oldies (was : 1149 (was: lonk / was: Meta: behavior on list))

2021-08-14 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-14 9:16 a.m., Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 14 August 2021 08:44:44 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 07:37:00AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: >>> tomas writes: But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it? >>> >>> Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manua

Re: [OFFTOPIC] 1149 (was: lonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list))

2021-08-14 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 14 August 2021 08:44:44 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 07:37:00AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > > tomas writes: > > > But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it? > > > > Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier > > yet we used heliograph.

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-14 Thread Erwan David
Le 14/08/2021 à 14:37, John Hasler a écrit : > tomas writes: >> But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it? > Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier yet > we used heliograph. Signal fires on hilltops were slow, but worked. > And, of course, pigeons. I have a seconda

Re: [OFFTOPIC] 1149 (was: lonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list))

2021-08-14 Thread tomas
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 07:37:00AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > tomas writes: > > But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it? > > Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier yet > we used heliograph. Signal fires on hilltops were slow, but worked. > And, of course, pigeon

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-14 Thread John Hasler
tomas writes: > But... Usenet was /before/ 'phone, wasn't it? Yup. Back in the 1860s we did UUCP over manual telegraph. Earlier yet we used heliograph. Signal fires on hilltops were slow, but worked. And, of course, pigeons. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-13 Thread tomas
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 04:12:10PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de [2021-08-13 19:11:43] wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 12:49:34PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > > wrote: > > [...] > >> Plonk ? [...] > > [1] http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/P/plonk.html > > How odd

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-13 Thread David Wright
On Fri 13 Aug 2021 at 20:21:27 (-0400), Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > On 2021-08-13 6:55 p.m., songbird wrote: > > John Hasler wrote: > > ... > >> No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the > >> sound of a small object dropping into a large tank with liquid at

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-13 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-13 6:55 p.m., songbird wrote: > John Hasler wrote: > ... >> No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the >> sound of a small object dropping into a large tank with liquid at the >> bottom. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a >> particula

[OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-13 Thread Stefan Monnier
to...@tuxteam.de [2021-08-13 19:11:43] wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 12:49:34PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: > [...] >> Plonk ? > Greg and The Wanderer already provided a definition. Just adding > one standard reference, the Jargon File [1] in such things. Old > Usenet lore.

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-13 Thread John Hasler
songbird writes: > i found out years ago that i just don't have the energy any more to > get that mad about something on-line. the n key is many fewer > keystrokes than *plonk*. :) When I find that I'm hitting n every time I see a certain user I killfile them. Saves keystrokes, reduces clutter.

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-13 Thread songbird
John Hasler wrote: ... > No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the > sound of a small object dropping into a large tank with liquid at the > bottom. A septic tank, for example. It was common to respond to a > particularly asinine article with the one-word followup "plo

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-13 Thread ellanios82
On 8/14/21 12:17 AM, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: they won't stop and will just continue to argue against themselves   Quite, quite  : this is happening : now .

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-13 Thread Weaver
On 14-08-2021 07:37, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > On 2021-08-13 5:31 p.m., Weaver wrote: >> On 14-08-2021 07:17, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> On 2021-08-13 4:59 p.m., John Hasler wrote: Stefan writes: > How odd. I always assumed that it was the comic-

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Punked was [Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)]

2021-08-13 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-13 5:31 p.m., Dan Ritter wrote: > John Hasler wrote: >> Stefan writes: >>> How odd. I always assumed that it was the comic-strip style >>> representation of the sound of hanging up the phone abruptly. >> >> No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the >> soun

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-13 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
On 2021-08-13 5:31 p.m., Weaver wrote: > On 14-08-2021 07:17, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On 2021-08-13 4:59 p.m., John Hasler wrote: >>> Stefan writes: How odd. I always assumed that it was the comic-strip style representation of the sound of hanging up the pho

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-13 Thread Dan Ritter
John Hasler wrote: > Stefan writes: > > How odd. I always assumed that it was the comic-strip style > > representation of the sound of hanging up the phone abruptly. > > No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the > sound of a small object dropping into a large tank wit

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-13 Thread Weaver
On 14-08-2021 07:17, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-08-13 4:59 p.m., John Hasler wrote: >> Stefan writes: >>> How odd. I always assumed that it was the comic-strip style >>> representation of the sound of hanging up the phone abruptly. >> >> No. I was there when it came

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-13 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi, On 2021-08-13 4:59 p.m., John Hasler wrote: > Stefan writes: >> How odd. I always assumed that it was the comic-strip style >> representation of the sound of hanging up the phone abruptly. > > No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the > sound of a small object dro

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)

2021-08-13 Thread John Hasler
Stefan writes: > How odd. I always assumed that it was the comic-strip style > representation of the sound of hanging up the phone abruptly. No. I was there when it came into use. It definitely represents the sound of a small object dropping into a large tank with liquid at the bottom. A septi

Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012

2021-08-13 Thread ellanios82
On 8/13/21 2:48 PM, deloptes wrote: For me it is not a problem, I simply ignore her posts  - Quite, quite  :) .

Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012

2021-08-13 Thread tomas
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 07:43:35AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: [...] > I don't think tomas felt he was under personal attack, but that he perceived > a > personal attack on Polyna. Good catch, thanks :-) Cheers - t signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012

2021-08-13 Thread deloptes
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: >> I do not insult anyone and do not attack people, please stop with this BS >> of excuse by political correctness. > > I don't think tomas felt he was under personal attack, but that he > perceived a personal attack on Polyna And I understood completely well. So I hope

Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012

2021-08-13 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, August 13, 2021 02:42:55 AM deloptes wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > Can we please avoid personal insults? > > > > Each of us has his/her difficult points. If you have issues with > > those points, by all means, speak up. But **attacking people > > personally** does not belong in t

Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012

2021-08-12 Thread deloptes
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > I strongly disagree. > me too -- FCD6 3719 0FFB F1BF 38EA 4727 5348 5F1F DCFE BCB0

Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012

2021-08-12 Thread tomas
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 08:42:55AM +0200, deloptes wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > Can we please avoid personal insults? > I do not insult anyone and do not attack people [...] I strongly disagree. Rest taken off-list. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012

2021-08-12 Thread deloptes
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > Can we please avoid personal insults? > > Each of us has his/her difficult points. If you have issues with > those points, by all means, speak up. But **attacking people > personally** does not belong in this list. I do not insult anyone and do not attack people, please

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Editing a file (was: percent char '%' in sudoers file)

2021-08-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 08:16:04AM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: > The package visudo not being installed on this system, [...] visudo is not a separate package. It's a program included in the sudo package. unicorn:~$ type visudo visudo is /usr/sbin/visudo unicorn:~$ dpkg -S /usr/sbin/visudo sudo:

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Editing a file (was: percent char '%' in sudoers file)

2021-08-11 Thread Bob Bernstein
On Tue, 10 Aug 2021, Roger Price wrote: Young Stefan had fingers so fast No filename was safe from the blast When emacs was "e" It was easy to see sud(o)ers was not meant to last This is fabulous. With two you get egg-roll, but with debian-user you get a...LIMERICK! Who knew? THANKS

[OFFTOPIC] Editing a file (was: percent char '%' in sudoers file)

2021-08-10 Thread Stefan Monnier
Roger Price [2021-08-10 11:11:24] wrote: > On Tue, 10 Aug 2021, Bob Bernstein wrote: >> Full disclosure: In a typical Bob fit of impulsivity I, yes, edited this >> file using 'sudo nsno /etc/sudoers'. > My impulse would be to use VISUAL=/usr/bin/emacs visudo -f /etc/sudoers You guys have amazing

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Editing a file (was: percent char '%' in sudoers file)

2021-08-10 Thread Roger Price
On Tue, 10 Aug 2021, Stefan Monnier wrote: Roger Price [2021-08-10 11:11:24] wrote: On Tue, 10 Aug 2021, Bob Bernstein wrote: Full disclosure: In a typical Bob fit of impulsivity I, yes, edited this file using 'sudo nsno /etc/sudoers'. My impulse would be to use VISUAL=/usr/bin/emacs visudo

[OFFTOPIC] Fun with pv and broken drive (was: `pv` rates)

2021-08-04 Thread Stefan Monnier
Stefan Monnier [2021-08-02 15:09:38] wrote: > E.g. the average has moved up to ~80kB/s since my last message). For your entertainment: I managed to bring the average rate up to about 1MB/s by running `lvs` in a loop at the same time (and that let me see occasionally a transfer rate around 10MB/s).

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Mass storage prices and form factor

2021-08-03 Thread Stefan Monnier
> One cloud storage provider, Backblaze, regularly publishes reports on > harddisk reliability (they obviously have a lot of data on that :-) All of them seem to be 3½" as well. Interesting. It actually looks like the 2½" HDD market has been abandoned: 5 years ago, the largest HDD were 5TB for 2½

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Mass storage prices and form factor (was: ISO to external SSD)

2021-08-03 Thread tomas
On Tue, Aug 03, 2021 at 01:11:16PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: [...] Nice line up. > I wonder what kind of drives are used nowadays in big datacenters (and > whether the prices they pay for them looks anything like the ones > above). One cloud storage provider, Backblaze, regularly publishes r

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Mass storage prices and form factor (was: ISO to external SSD)

2021-08-03 Thread Linux-Fan
Stefan Monnier writes: Peter Ehlert [2021-08-03 08:27:26] wrote: > On August 3, 2021 8:17:58 AM Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> Second, the price of spinning disks is such that it makes no >>> sense to buy anything smaller than 4TB, which will fit all this, >>> and 6-8 TB are often a reasonable id

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Mass storage prices and form factor (was: ISO to external SSD)

2021-08-03 Thread Dan Ritter
Stefan Monnier wrote: > > That makes 3½" form factor even more dead than I thought (two 4TB 2½" > drives should offer better performance than one 8GB 3½" drive and use > less space, not sure about power consumption). Erm. You just doubled your failure rate. There are times when that's worthwhile

[OFFTOPIC] Mass storage prices and form factor (was: ISO to external SSD)

2021-08-03 Thread Stefan Monnier
Peter Ehlert [2021-08-03 08:27:26] wrote: > On August 3, 2021 8:17:58 AM Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> Second, the price of spinning disks is such that it makes no >>> sense to buy anything smaller than 4TB, which will fit all this, >>> and 6-8 TB are often a reasonable idea even for single users. >>

Re: Grub Success at Last, but way offtopic

2021-06-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 08 June 2021 18:09:34 Martin McCormick wrote: > I did it! It works! > > Okay. Here's the short story. I read some more stuff > about building a boot drive for another system than the one being > used for the rescue. In this thread were the usual tales of woe > which I have als

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