Re: (OT) Jokes, lprng and old cars [was: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?]

2021-05-12 Thread deloptes
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > Difference is, the Benz 1930 guzzled gas like there was no tomorrow and > was slow and uncomfortable. > > Lprng uses up way less resources than CUPS, is easier to set up and > understand, and Just Works. > It is your opinion, I do not want to argu

Re: (OT) Jokes, lprng and old cars [was: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?]

2021-05-11 Thread Russell L. Harris
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 07:19:13PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 06:38:46PM +0200, deloptes wrote: around 1998 you could already print with other tools than lpr or lprng. Until now, I was not aware that an "lpr" system still is in the Debian archive. I

Re: (OT) Jokes, lprng and old cars [was: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?]

2021-05-11 Thread tomas
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 06:31:57PM +, Russell L. Harris wrote: > On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 07:19:13PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 06:38:46PM +0200, deloptes wrote: > >>around 1998 you could already print with other tools than lpr or lprng. > &

(OT) Jokes, lprng and old cars [was: Printing addresses on a #10 envelope (US)?]

2021-05-11 Thread tomas
On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 06:38:46PM +0200, deloptes wrote: [...] > around 1998 you could already print with other tools than lpr or lprng. > When I listen to you guys I have a respect, but you must understand that > time goes on - this is like advertising Mercedes Benz from 1930 and tel

missing dependency of "lprng"?

2014-11-29 Thread Matej Kosik
Hi, Today I have noticed this (on Wheezy). When I do lp some.pdf I see the following error message: p11-kit: couldn't load module: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pkcs11/gnome-keyring-pkcs11.so: cannot open shared object file: No such f

Re: lprng needed by AUCTeX?

2009-09-06 Thread brownh
d that's what I wanted. I run plenty of other programs that provide services. b) The printing I have been doing I thought was the result of my having installed cups, but it was actually because I had long before installed lprng and had never uninstalled it. c) Also, "cups-bsd" s

Re: lprng needed by AUCTeX?

2009-09-06 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
I would like to know how you decided to install the "cups" package, since its description says it provides a print *server*. Nevertheless the cups package depends on the package "cups-clients" which contains "client programs (SysV)", i.e., the lp command for submitting a print job. So you don'nt n

Re: lprng needed by AUCTeX?

2009-09-05 Thread brownh
Wayne, You are quite correct that a google search using your search terms immediately provided the answer to my question, which arose from a bug in the documentation (#512098). I assumed (wrongly) that CUPS was broken, and so googled with the wrong search terms. The tools you point to were of

Re: lprng needed by AUCTeX?

2009-09-05 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Sat, Sep 05, 2009 at 05:01:13PM -0400, brownh wrote: > > The answer is already on your system, if you had done some > > research. You seem to want others to research for you. > > > > Have you installed the cups-bsd package? > > Not sure what "on my system" means. The information associated

Re: lprng needed by AUCTeX?

2009-09-05 Thread Wayne Topa
brownh wrote: The answer is already on your system, if you had done some research. You seem to want others to research for you. Have you installed the cups-bsd package? Not sure what "on my system" means. The information associated with the packages for cups and auctex did not say I had to in

Re: lprng needed by AUCTeX?

2009-09-05 Thread Wayne Topa
brownh wrote: The answer is already on your system, if you had done some research. You seem to want others to research for you. Have you installed the cups-bsd package? Not sure what "on my system" means. The information associated with the packages for cups and auctex did not say I had to in

Re: lprng needed by AUCTeX?

2009-09-05 Thread brownh
> The answer is already on your system, if you had done some > research. You seem to want others to research for you. > > Have you installed the cups-bsd package? Not sure what "on my system" means. The information associated with the packages for cups and auctex did not say I had to install cups

Re: lprng needed by AUCTeX?

2009-09-05 Thread Wayne Topa
brownh wrote: Lprng provides lpr and is characterized as a BSD "spooling system". CUPS, on the other hand, is described as a "printing system". I installed CUPS but not lpr/lprng. I cannot print from AUCTeX: Running `Print' on `test' with ``dvips -P

lprng needed by AUCTeX?

2009-09-05 Thread brownh
Lprng provides lpr and is characterized as a BSD "spooling system". CUPS, on the other hand, is described as a "printing system". I installed CUPS but not lpr/lprng. I cannot print from AUCTeX: Running `Print' on `test' with ``dvips -P hp_Laserjet_1320_

Re: [Debian-User] iceweasel + lprng

2008-10-18 Thread s. keeling
Javier Vasquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Florian Kulzer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 17:10:35 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: > >> > >> When I try to print a page from iceweasel, if I have lprng as m

Re: [Debian-User] iceweasel + lprng

2008-10-18 Thread s. keeling
Javier Vasquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:40 PM, s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Javier Vasquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> > >> When I try to print a page from iceweasel, if I have lprng as my > >> spooler en

Re: [Debian-User] iceweasel + lprng

2008-10-17 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
;ve used for > several years now plain lprng && (magicfilter || foomatic-filters). > Lately more foomatic-filters since there's no so good documentation > around new network printers, which I can't find in the filters > themselves, so I go and download the specific PPD&#

Re: [Debian-User] iceweasel + lprng

2008-10-17 Thread Javier Vasquez
Oct 17, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Florian Kulzer wrote: >>> > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 17:10:35 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: >>> >> Hi, >>> >> >>> >> When I try to print a page from iceweasel, if I have lprng as my >>> >> spooler eng

Re: [Debian-User] iceweasel + lprng

2008-10-17 Thread Javier Vasquez
>> Hi, >> >> >> >> When I try to print a page from iceweasel, if I have lprng as my >> >> spooler engine, I don't get in the file-print menu an option to print >> >> PostScript/default as I do with iceape. > > [...] > >>

Re: [Debian-User] iceweasel + lprng

2008-10-17 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 10:07:36 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: > On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Florian Kulzer wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 17:10:35 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> When I try to print a page from iceweasel, if I have lprn

Re: [Debian-User] iceweasel + lprng

2008-10-17 Thread Javier Vasquez
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Douglas A. Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 05:10:35PM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: >> >> When I try to print a page from iceweasel, if I have lprng as my >> spooler engine, I don't get in the fi

Re: [Debian-User] iceweasel + lprng

2008-10-17 Thread Javier Vasquez
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:40 PM, s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Javier Vasquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> When I try to print a page from iceweasel, if I have lprng as my >> spooler engine, I don't get in the file-print menu an option to print >

Re: [Debian-User] iceweasel + lprng

2008-10-17 Thread Javier Vasquez
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 17:10:35 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: >> Hi, >> >> When I try to print a page from iceweasel, if I have lprng as my >> spooler engine, I don't get in

Re: [Debian-User] iceweasel + lprng

2008-10-17 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 17:10:35 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: > Hi, > > When I try to print a page from iceweasel, if I have lprng as my > spooler engine, I don't get in the file-print menu an option to print > PostScript/default as I do with iceape. > > So with i

Re: [Debian-User] iceweasel + lprng

2008-10-16 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 05:10:35PM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: > > When I try to print a page from iceweasel, if I have lprng as my > spooler engine, I don't get in the file-print menu an option to print > PostScript/default as I do with iceape. I use standard LPD to print.

Re: [Debian-User] iceweasel + lprng

2008-10-16 Thread s. keeling
Javier Vasquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > When I try to print a page from iceweasel, if I have lprng as my > spooler engine, I don't get in the file-print menu an option to print > PostScript/default as I do with iceape. I do. I may have done something to get it to work

[Debian-User] iceweasel + lprng

2008-10-16 Thread Javier Vasquez
Hi, When I try to print a page from iceweasel, if I have lprng as my spooler engine, I don't get in the file-print menu an option to print PostScript/default as I do with iceape. So with iceape I'm actually able to print stuff, but with iceweasel I don't get how to do it...

Re: lprng + magicfilter + hpijs => hp deskjet 680c

2007-11-13 Thread Javier Vasquez
to select between 8 and 24 only. It also allows color selection, :)... Bad thing is that iceape does not allow any quality setting, only color, :( And I bet that as I changed the Default mode to Draft, when I perform "lpr /etc/printcap", then it'll use draft instead of any other mo

Re: lprng + magicfilter + hpijs => hp deskjet 680c

2007-11-07 Thread s. keeling
Javier Vasquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 11/4/07, Javier Vasquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I have a HP-680C deskject printer that I wanted to make it work with > > lprng + magicfilter + hpijs. So far no luck. I seems like I'm able > > to use

Re: lprng + magicfilter + hpijs => hp deskjet 680c

2007-11-04 Thread Javier Vasquez
On 11/4/07, Javier Vasquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I have a HP-680C deskject printer that I wanted to make it work with > lprng + magicfilter + hpijs. So far no luck. I seems like I'm able > to use the filter: > > /etc/magicfilter/dj550c-filter > &

lprng + magicfilter + hpijs => hp deskjet 680c

2007-11-04 Thread Javier Vasquez
Hi, I have a HP-680C deskject printer that I wanted to make it work with lprng + magicfilter + hpijs. So far no luck. I seems like I'm able to use the filter: /etc/magicfilter/dj550c-filter But for some reason I can't get to use the: /etc/magicfilter/hpijs-filter I always get t

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-20 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-06-15 16:41:31, schrieb John Hasler: > Jan Willem Stumpel writes: > > I suspect some developers have been too generous in assigning > > dependencies to some packages -- especially library packages. > > It's upstream that decides to link to the libraries. But Debian-Maintainers CAN change

wajig (was: Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-))

2007-06-17 Thread CaT
On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 09:10:15AM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote: > I gave up on aptitude long ago because it kept trying, and sometimes > succeeding, to remove lots of things it shouldn't. I now use apt-get > via wajig, which seems to be one of the best-kept Linux secrets. Interesting. I'll try t

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-16 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 03:30:56PM -0600, s. keeling wrote: > Incoming from Daniel Burrows: > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 06:20:36PM +, "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > was heard to say: > > > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > > There is still something odd here. I don't have

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-16 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Daniel Burrows: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 06:20:36PM +, "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > was heard to say: > > John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > There is still something odd here. I don't have most of those packages > > > installed (I don't use a "desktop environ

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-16 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 15 Jun 2007, CaT wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 08:17:45AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > Could some of that problem be having aptitude treat recommends as > > required? > > Or something similar. I gave up on aptitude within a few minutes of > trying to use it during my upgrade to sarg

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Burrows
hy it works so well if it's broken. At least apt-get doesn't > > > try to blow away lprng: > > > > There is still something odd here. I don't have most of those packages > > installed (I don't use a "desktop environment") but apt is not try

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 08:42:38PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 06/15/07 18:49, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > > >I have a laser and an inkjet printer but my wife has chemical > >sensitivities and it takes a page 2 weeks to off-gas enough for her to > >be able to read them; the dot-matrix is fine

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/15/07 18:49, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: [snip] I have a laser and an inkjet printer but my wife has chemical sensitivities and it takes a page 2 weeks to off-gas enough for her to be able to read them; the dot-matrix is fine. 99% of non-junk snail mail is laser printed/photocopied. Ho

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 11:26:07AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 06/15/07 08:05, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > [snip] > > > >Doesn't include the ML-whatever OkiData driver for my IBM Personal > >Computer Graphics Printer (the one pictured with the 'New' IBM PC in > >history books). > > Where do yo

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 18:12:32 +, s. keeling wrote: [...] > While we're at it, maybe we (well, I) need null-gnome, null-kde, ... > placeholder targets to fool them into thinking they're there when > they're not. If null-gnome is provided by fluxbox or xserver-xorg, > there'd be no need fo

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread John Hasler
Jan Willem Stumpel writes: > I suspect some developers have been too generous in assigning > dependencies to some packages -- especially library packages. It's upstream that decides to link to the libraries. > Anyway I think the dependencies ought to be looked at very critically, > and when possi

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread John Hasler
s. keeling writes: > There is no Gnome or KDE on this thing, yet xscreensaver works just as it > always has. I wrote: > And why wouldn't it? It doesn't depend on any Gnome or KDE stuff. s. keeling writes: > That's what I'm saying. It doesn't need them. I also see there's an > xscreensaver-nog

Re: Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread Jan Willem Stumpel
S. Keeling wrote: > Ugh. The list of stuff it wants to get rid of is just weird. > Audacity, Azureus, Bittornado-gui, Mplayer, Xcdroast, > Xscreensaver?!? It is indeed incredible that some packages that do not even print (you were wrong about audacity BTW, because it *can* print -- but you could

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/15/07 13:12, s. keeling wrote: [snip] He must be on the Communist Broadcorping Castration network. It and I manage to avoid each other, mostly. You can deny all you want, but I know that you watch it on your PVR. How 'bout you? Cheering for Paris Hi

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread s. keeling
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > s. keeling writes: > > There is no Gnome or KDE on this thing, yet xscreensaver works just as it > > always has. > > And why wouldn't it? It doesn't depend on any Gnome or KDE stuff. That's what I'm saying. It doesn't need them. I also see there's an xscree

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread s. keeling
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > s. keeling writes: > > Well, I guess my system must be broken in some way, though I fail to > > understand why it works so well if it's broken. At least apt-get doesn't > > try to blow away lprng: > > There is stil

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread s. keeling
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 06/15/07 11:20, s. keeling wrote: > > > > Well, I guess my system must be broken in some way, though I fail to > > understand why it works so well if it's broken. At least apt-get > > foomatic-gui is a very high-level python GNOME app. You don't have >

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/15/07 12:26, John Hasler wrote: Ron Johnson writes: foomatic-gui is a very high-level python GNOME app. You don't have any GNOME libraries installed, so no wonder you've got to pulling in the world. It doesn't try to pull in all that stuff here. Maybe apt hates Canadians. -- Ron John

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread John Hasler
Ron Johnson writes: > foomatic-gui is a very high-level python GNOME app. You don't have any > GNOME libraries installed, so no wonder you've got to pulling in the > world. It doesn't try to pull in all that stuff here. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a sub

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread John Hasler
s. keeling writes: > There is no Gnome or KDE on this thing, yet xscreensaver works just as it > always has. And why wouldn't it? It doesn't depend on any Gnome or KDE stuff. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread John Hasler
s. keeling writes: > Well, I guess my system must be broken in some way, though I fail to > understand why it works so well if it's broken. At least apt-get doesn't > try to blow away lprng: There is still something odd here. I don't have most of those packages installed

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/15/07 11:20, s. keeling wrote: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: s. keeling wrote: (0) heretic /home/keeling_ aptitude -s install foomatic-gui ... The following packages will be automatically REMOVED: lprng toncho/~ sudo apt-get -s install foomatic-gui Reading package lists..

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread s. keeling
Jan Willem Stumpel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > So, in other words, Debian sans CUPS isn't possible. You may > > not have to actually run it, but you have to have it installed. > > That's ridiculous. This is viral software. > > True. Unfortunately this virus has already spread widely.. At > least

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread s. keeling
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > s. keeling wrote: > > (0) heretic /home/keeling_ aptitude -s install foomatic-gui > > ... > > The following packages will be automatically REMOVED: > > lprng > > toncho/~ sudo apt-get -s install foomatic-gui >

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/15/07 08:05, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: [snip] Doesn't include the ML-whatever OkiData driver for my IBM Personal Computer Graphics Printer (the one pictured with the 'New' IBM PC in history books). Where do you keep getting ribbons for it? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread Jan Willem Stumpel
> So, in other words, Debian sans CUPS isn't possible. You may > not have to actually run it, but you have to have it installed. > That's ridiculous. This is viral software. True. Unfortunately this virus has already spread widely.. At least 144 packages which do not really need cups (because a

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread CaT
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 09:05:59AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 10:50:58PM +1000, CaT wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 08:17:45AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > > Could some of that problem be having aptitude treat recommends as > > > required? > > > > Or so

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread Daniel Burrows
) heretic /home/keeling_ aptitude -s install foomatic-gui > > > > ... > > > > The following packages will be automatically REMOVED: > > > > lprng > > > > > > toncho/~ sudo apt-get -s install foomatic-gui > > > > Thank you. At least so

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 10:50:58PM +1000, CaT wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 08:17:45AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > Could some of that problem be having aptitude treat recommends as > > required? > > Or something similar. I gave up on aptitude within a few minutes of > trying to use it

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread CaT
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 08:17:45AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > Could some of that problem be having aptitude treat recommends as > required? Or something similar. I gave up on aptitude within a few minutes of trying to use it during my upgrade to sarge. It completely refused to, getting lo

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-15 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 11:39:46AM +1000, CaT wrote: > On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 05:51:00PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > > s. keeling wrote: > > > (0) heretic /home/keeling_ aptitude -s install foomatic-gui > > > ... > > > The following packages will be

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 09:53:40PM +, "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Larry Irwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > So! If you want lprng... - after a fresh install of linux: > > 1) Stop the cups processes: > > for i in /etc/init.d/cup

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/14/07 20:45, s. keeling wrote: Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On 06/14/07 16:19, s. keeling wrote: [copious output snipped] I rest my case. User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) No wonder it wanted to pull in 145 packages: you're a text mode octogenarian! You're probably also run

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread s. keeling
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > s. keeling wrote: > > (0) heretic /home/keeling_ aptitude -s install foomatic-gui > > ... > > The following packages will be automatically REMOVED: > > lprng > > toncho/~ sudo apt-get -s install foomatic-gui >

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread s. keeling
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 06/14/07 16:19, s. keeling wrote: > > [copious output snipped] > > I rest my case. > > User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) > > No wonder it wanted to pull in 145 packages: you're a text mode > octogenarian! You're probably also running NetBSD on a VAX

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread CaT
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 05:51:00PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > s. keeling wrote: > > (0) heretic /home/keeling_ aptitude -s install foomatic-gui > > ... > > The following packages will be automatically REMOVED: > > lprng > > ... > > ... > > toncho/

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread John Hasler
s. keeling wrote: > (0) heretic /home/keeling_ aptitude -s install foomatic-gui > ... > The following packages will be automatically REMOVED: > lprng > ... > ... toncho/~ sudo apt-get -s install foomatic-gui Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done T

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread John Hasler
s. keeling writes: > So, in other words, Debian sans CUPS isn't possible. You may not have to > actually run it, but you have to have it installed. I guess I'm not running Debian: toncho/~ sudo apt-get -s remove cupsys-client Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Package

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread s. keeling
system. I'd just like to keep it that way, and the packaging system+CUPS+Gnome are not helping. Fluxbox is a perfectly good wm, and lprng is a perfectly good spooler. Why CUPS is continually after its ass is puzzling (not to mention infuriating). -- Any technology distinguishable from magic

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/14/07 16:53, s. keeling wrote: [snip] So, in other words, Debian sans CUPS isn't possible. You may not have to actually run it, but you have to have it installed. That's ridiculous. This is viral software. Start filing bugs against the deep-level dependers. apt-rdepends is your frie

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On 06/14/07 16:19, s. keeling wrote: Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 17:21:50 +, s. keeling wrote: Damned near everything drags in CUPS. I already had lprng installed, and foomatic-* wanted to remove it and install CUPS. Should I just Is it really th

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread s. keeling
Larry Irwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I've got about 300 servers out there using lprng. > My 1st run-in with cups gave me some surprises. > 1) Removing cups generally removes X, desktop, etc... That's one of the best reasons I can think of for not installing it in the fi

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread s. keeling
Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 17:21:50 +, s. keeling wrote: > > Damned near > > everything drags in CUPS. I already had lprng installed, and > > foomatic-* wanted to remove it and install CUPS. Should I just > > Is it

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 17:21:50 +, s. keeling wrote: [...] > Damned near > everything drags in CUPS. I already had lprng installed, and > foomatic-* wanted to remove it and install CUPS. Should I just > complain to linuxprinting.org that they're flat out lying when the

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread Larry Irwin
I've got about 300 servers out there using lprng. My 1st run-in with cups gave me some surprises. 1) Removing cups generally removes X, desktop, etc... 2) lpstat no longer works (at least in the same manner, depending on the flavor of Linux)... 3) Manual intervention into cups setup tends t

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread s. keeling
JWS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > S. Keeling wrote: > > > So, perhaps ca. two thousand, six hundred, and ninety five files > > which have nothing to do with my printer? At least they're all > > Astonishing. I've never understood the reason for having CUPS at I've never liked it from the first time I

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread s. keeling
Anthony Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 14 Jun 2007, CaT wrote: > > > > Then don't use it. > > I gave up on CUPS a long time ago. I did have it working but the results Previous to this non-DE install, I did a full Etch install just to see what it was like. I had CUPS working. It printed o

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread s. keeling
n't use it. Sigh. My point is, that's far easier said than done! Damned near everything drags in CUPS. I already had lprng installed, and foomatic-* wanted to remove it and install CUPS. Should I just complain to linuxprinting.org that they're flat out lying when they say I can u

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
understood the reason for having CUPS at > all (being a happy lprng user) but I had no idea it was *this* > bad. Surely at least the package maintainer should have realised > that something absurd was going on? > > >>> The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED:

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread JWS
S. Keeling wrote: > So, perhaps ca. two thousand, six hundred, and ninety five files > which have nothing to do with my printer? At least they're all > gzipped ... Astonishing. I've never understood the reason for having CUPS at all (being a happy lprng user) but I had no ide

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-14 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 14 Jun 2007, CaT wrote: > [snip] > Then don't use it. > I gave up on CUPS a long time ago. I did have it working but the results using plain lpr and magicfilter are better, at least for me, and a lot easier to maintain, including remote printing. Anthony -- Anthony Campbell - [EMAIL PROT

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-13 Thread CaT
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 01:29:49AM +, s. keeling wrote: > > > aptitude -R install foomatic-filters-ppds > > > > And what does apt-get install foomatic-filters-ppds get you? > >--- > (0) heretic /home/keeling_ dpkg -L foomatic-filters-ppds | wc -l > 2696 That

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-13 Thread s. keeling
CaT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 10:36:57PM +, s. keeling wrote: > > This is on Etch with "Desktop Environment" de-selected on install (no > > Gnome or KDE :-). Perhaps my mistake was in installing xserver-xorg > > before printer configuration. Surely then, it would notice

Re: Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-13 Thread CaT
On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 10:36:57PM +, s. keeling wrote: > This is on Etch with "Desktop Environment" de-selected on install (no > Gnome or KDE :-). Perhaps my mistake was in installing xserver-xorg > before printer configuration. Surely then, it would notice there'd be > no web browser it cou

Printing with lprng; no CUPS! :-)

2007-06-13 Thread s. keeling
er with something as clunky as foomatic-configure when apparently all it does is edit that one line specifying the ppd file (and in the case of lprng, badly)? Just getting foomatic-gui on the box drags in cupsys and removes lprng! Why? linuxprinting.org says the thing works with pretty much any spoole

Getting LPRng to work

2005-11-03 Thread Ken Heard
One of my current tasks in upgrading from RH 8 to Sarge, which began last July, is to enable printing using LPRng. After installing the lprng package, I open "Printing Manager" from the KDE menu. The resulting window indicates that I am using the LPR/LPRng printing system wi

Re: On lprng and magicfilter (was: Re: : Re: Using a novell shared printer from debian.)

2005-07-29 Thread Clive Menzies
On (28/07/05 23:46), Rogério Brito wrote: > On Jul 28 2005, Joel Peter William Pitt wrote: > > Used LPRng as the spool daemon and magicfilter as the filter. > > Nice to see others using this combination of programs. I sincerely > think that magicfilter is underrated. It simply

On lprng and magicfilter (was: Re: : Re: Using a novell shared printer from debian.)

2005-07-28 Thread Rogério Brito
On Jul 28 2005, Joel Peter William Pitt wrote: > Used LPRng as the spool daemon and magicfilter as the filter. Nice to see others using this combination of programs. I sincerely think that magicfilter is underrated. It simply works in the usual Unix tradition. To be honest, I have not loo

Re: Cups in sarge stops a lot.. maybe lprng better

2004-11-21 Thread Ivan Teliatnikov
I was having exactly the same problem. I noticed when my HP4100 printers goes off-line, cups disables printer gueue. The only way I could think of fixing it is to run /usr/bin/enable from the cron. My respect to all people on this list. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a sub

Re: Cups in sarge stops a lot.. maybe lprng better?

2004-11-17 Thread Alex Malinovich
cronjob doing "/usr/bin/enable PrinterName" > as I think this alone would reduce the support call I receive in 80% .. > but in the first place CUPS shouldn't be stopping that many times.. > > Anyone facing this problem decided to go back to lprng or something? Just un

Cups in sarge stops a lot.. maybe lprng better?

2004-11-17 Thread Joao Clemente
ould reduce the support call I receive in 80% .. but in the first place CUPS shouldn't be stopping that many times.. Anyone facing this problem decided to go back to lprng or something? Joao Clemente -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

lprng cron job deleting old print jobs

2004-09-28 Thread Sean McAvoy
Hello, I am experiencing a problem with lprng on several machines (all woody): /etc/cron.daily/lprng: co: file 'hfA615', age 45.01 hours > 24.00 hours maximum (removing) I get messages like the above every day. Users have also complained about missing print jobs, it would seem they

Re: LPRng, Debian, and OS X

2004-07-23 Thread Jim McCloskey
Responding to my own message, in case it helps others with the same problem. On Thursday July 15th, I wrote: |> I have a Debian (testing) box which runs LPRng version 3.8.27-1 as |> its printer spooler. |> |> I have set up /etc/hosts.lpd and /etc/lprng/lpd.perms so that this |>

Re: LPRng, Debian, and OS X

2004-07-16 Thread Kirk Strauser
On Friday 2004-07-16 01:25 am, Jim McCloskey wrote: > Well, it's not *my* Mac . Given that you stated "OS X" in the subject line, yes it is - unless you've done some serious surgery to your setup. > More seriously, I've configured CUPS before on a different system, and > that experience was

Re: LPRng, Debian, and OS X

2004-07-16 Thread John Summerfield
Jim McCloskey wrote: |> And what's wrong with CUPS? It's what's on your Mac. Well, it's not *my* Mac . More seriously, I've configured CUPS before on a different system, and that experience was as horrific as Eric Raymond's[1]. And using CUPS to solve this tiny problem seems like overkill in

Re: LPRng, Debian, and OS X

2004-07-16 Thread John Summerfield
Jim McCloskey wrote: |> And what's wrong with CUPS? It's what's on your Mac. Well, it's not *my* Mac . More seriously, I've configured CUPS before on a different system, and that experience was as horrific as Eric Raymond's[1]. And using CUPS to solve this tiny problem seems like overkill in

Re: LPRng, Debian, and OS X

2004-07-16 Thread John Summerfield
Jim McCloskey wrote: |> And what's wrong with CUPS? It's what's on your Mac. Well, it's not *my* Mac . More seriously, I've configured CUPS before on a different system, and that experience was as horrific as Eric Raymond's[1]. And using CUPS to solve this tiny problem seems like overkill in

Re: LPRng, Debian, and OS X

2004-07-15 Thread Jim McCloskey
|> And what's wrong with CUPS? It's what's on your Mac. Well, it's not *my* Mac . More seriously, I've configured CUPS before on a different system, and that experience was as horrific as Eric Raymond's[1]. And using CUPS to solve this tiny problem seems like overkill in the extreme, Jim

Re: LPRng, Debian, and OS X

2004-07-15 Thread John Summerfield
Jim McCloskey wrote: Has anyone here seen this problem, or does anyone know of a fix? And please don't let the fix be `change to CUPS'. And what's wrong with CUPS? It's what's on your Mac. -- Cheers John -- spambait [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tourist pics http://portgeographe.environm

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