Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

Bob Proulx grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > David Guntner wrote: >> Brian grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Would it be possible to also pipe outgoing mail through procmail or similar, on its way to the MTA/SMTP server? >>> ... >>> There is a Debian package of proxsmtp. This program can proxy

Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

David Guntner wrote: > Brian grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > > > Would it be possible to also pipe outgoing mail through procmail or > > > similar, on its way to the MTA/SMTP server? > > ... > > There is a Debian package of proxsmtp. This program can proxy mail to a > > local or remote MTA. More to

Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

Brian grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > On Sun 10 Mar 2013 at 15:00:29 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > >> Would it be possible to also pipe outgoing mail through procmail or >> similar, on its way to the MTA/SMTP server? > > When I initially looked at this I thought "maybe", but it did not seem > p

Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

On Sun 10 Mar 2013 at 00:37:59 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > > > Cool :) > > > > Thanks for sharing. Appreciated. > > +1. I also think that is pretty cool. Since Message-Id is one of the > few that would be passed through. However many clients do not do > this. I hav

Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

On Sun 10 Mar 2013 at 15:00:29 +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Would it be possible to also pipe outgoing mail through procmail or > similar, on its way to the MTA/SMTP server? When I initially looked at this I thought "maybe", but it did not seem particularly friendly to do. More to the point, I

Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Brian wrote: > > Fortunately, Mutt users have the opportunity to take advantage of its > > ability to construct a custom Message-ID: header for a mail sent to > > debian-user. Like so: > > > > send-hook . 'unmy_hdr Message-ID:' > > send-hook 'debian-user@lists\.debian\.org'

Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

On 3/10/13, Brian wrote: > On Fri 08 Mar 2013 at 23:19:06 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > >> But I am a pedantic sort and so must say that every message does have > > To continue with the pedantry :) and to return to the issue raised in > this subthread, a CC is not a duplicate of a list mail. Put them

Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

On Fri 08 Mar 2013 at 23:19:06 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > But I am a pedantic sort and so must say that every message does have To continue with the pedantry :) and to return to the issue raised in this subthread, a CC is not a duplicate of a list mail. Put them side by side and the difference is

Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

Lisi Reisz wrote: > In case anyone wishes to point out to Bob that this information is > on the end of every email, it was not at the end of Bob's email, so > give him the benefit of the doubt and spare him - please? I know what you meant and I agree. Confusingly there are also two Bobs in that t

Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

On Friday 08 March 2013 16:40:50 Robert McKittrick wrote: > Somehow, I got on the debian help list. Pleas get me (mckitt1...@gmail.com) > off. I think my problems were due to bad sectors on my hard drive. I will > try again when I get a new one. I have the debian 1-8 i386 iso's burned to > dvds. W

Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

Somehow, I got on the debian help list. Pleas get me (mckitt1...@gmail.com) off. I think my problems were due to bad sectors on my hard drive. I will try again when I get a new one. I have the debian 1-8 i386 iso's burned to dvds. best of luck bob On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Bob Proulx wrote

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Le Mar 5 mars 2013 16:37, Martin McCormick a écrit : > Miles Fidelman writes: > In Linux/Unix in general, we have a concept that is > rather old of output being something you can send where it needs to go > because you may not always predict where somebody will need to send it for > a particular jo

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 10:56:18AM -0600, Martin McCormick wrote: > What I like about *nix is that it builds on the > experience of 3 decades plus a lot more sound theory. Nobody has > scrapped anything that is truly useful to cut corners and that > is what I find impressive. > > I don

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

What I like about *nix is that it builds on the experience of 3 decades plus a lot more sound theory. Nobody has scrapped anything that is truly useful to cut corners and that is what I find impressive. I don't think anything is served by a battle of the young guns versus the old c

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Tuesday 05 March 2013 15:37:31 Martin McCormick wrote: > Miles Fidelman writes: > > Which leads me to take just a little issue with your comment that > > "younger people have more useful experience." I'm actually not entirely > > sure that's true. If anything, younger people have narrower (or at

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Miles Fidelman writes: > Which leads me to take just a little issue with your comment that "younger > people have more useful experience." I'm actually not entirely sure that's > true. If anything, younger people have narrower (or at least different) > experience. I tend to agree. Lisi is

Re: I wish to advocate linux

On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:18:20 -0500 Miles Fidelman wrote: Hello, Debian is the Linux distribution with the most packages, no Linux firm can compete. Linux runs well without any sort of a firm backing it. > > * /From/: Lisi Reisz > > * /Date/: Wed, 27 Feb

Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

David Guntner wrote: > Bob Proulx grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > > For one I use the mailing list headers List-Id and List-Post. Those > > are the standard headers and those are the best ones to use for filing > > mailing list messages. Smart MUAs use those to know how to do a > > list-reply. T

Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

Richard Hector grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > On 03/03/13 10:30, David Guntner wrote: >> I've worked at places where the attitude of management was along the >> lines of, "If you're going to come to me with a complaint about the way >> something is being done, provide a possible solution. Otherwi

Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

On 03/03/13 10:30, David Guntner wrote: > Actually, I am seeking no such thing. What I *am* saying, however, is > that if you (again, in the general sense, not necessarily specifically > you) are going to come at someone with a "that solution is no good for > reason X," then it's only polite to p

Re: I wish to advocate linux --pclos from flash

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Doug wrote: > On 03/01/2013 12:13 PM, Tom H wrote: [You've snipped the history of the posters...] >> And there is always PCLinuxOS, which was originally designed expressly to >> make >> the transition to Linux easy for Windows users. I wasn't making an e

Re: I wish to advocate linux --pclos from flash

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Brian wrote: > On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 12:38:25 -0500, Tom H wrote: >> >> If I had a non-work-supplied-totally-locked-down Windows installation, >> I'd try the Ubuntu solution for Debian (that application looked like >> it had a drop-down menu with a list of distribut

Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

Brian grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > On Sat 02 Mar 2013 at 09:20:14 -0800, David Guntner wrote: > >> Brian grabbed a keyboard and wrote: >> >> And face it, the scenario you describe above is not one I (or a number >> of other people) are likely to run into all that often. Possible, sure. >> Prob

Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

On Sat 02 Mar 2013 at 09:20:14 -0800, David Guntner wrote: > Brian grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > > > > "Be strict in what you send and generous in what you receive" is still a > > good maxim to follow. > > I agree. And when I'm setting up a mail *server* (which typically > services the needs

Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

Brian grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 00:35:35 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > >> David Guntner wrote: >>> Anyway, the recipe is dirt simple. >>> ... >>> # Duplicate Suppression. >>> :0Whc: $MAILDIR/.msgid.cache.lock >>> | $FORMAIL -D 8192 $MAILDIR/.msgid.cache >>> >>> # T

Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 00:35:35 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > David Guntner wrote: > > Anyway, the recipe is dirt simple. > > ... > > # Duplicate Suppression. > > :0Whc: $MAILDIR/.msgid.cache.lock > > | $FORMAIL -D 8192 $MAILDIR/.msgid.cache > > > > # Take out the Trash. > > :0 a: > >

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Lars Noodén wrote: On 03/02/2013 11:27 AM, Tom Furie wrote: On Sat, Mar 02, 2013 at 07:38:41PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: These days it is != :) (I think <> was "not equal to", was it?) Technically, it's "less than or greater than", but I suppose it amounts to the same thing :) Cheers, T

Re: I wish to advocate linux

Brian wrote: On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 23:05:13 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Yup. And it's even obvious what he's doing, but he's too obstinate to listen. (trying to install onto the same device he's booting from, without paying attention to partitioning, telling the installer where to put things

Re: I wish to advocate linux

On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 23:05:13 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Yup. And it's even obvious what he's doing, but he's too obstinate > to listen. > > (trying to install onto the same device he's booting from, without > paying attention to partitioning, telling the installer where to put > things, or

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On 03/02/2013 11:27 AM, Tom Furie wrote: > On Sat, Mar 02, 2013 at 07:38:41PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > >> These days it is != :) (I think <> was "not equal to", was it?) > > Technically, it's "less than or greater than", but I suppose it > amounts to the same thing :) > > Cheers, Tom >

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Sat, Mar 02, 2013 at 07:38:41PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > These days it is != :) (I think <> was "not equal to", was it?) Technically, it's "less than or greater than", but I suppose it amounts to the same thing :) Cheers, Tom -- I think the world is run by C students.

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

[Sorry, posted previous post too soon! :D] On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 12:23:01PM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > >>Fair enough, but... I have to say it > >> > >>Back in my day, we not only had to walk to school, uphill, in both > >>directions, in the snow, but we also had to build our computer

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 08:34:57AM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Fair enough, but... I have to say it > > Back in my day, we not only had to walk to school, uphill, in both > directions, in the snow, but we also had to build our computers by > hand, from TTL logic gates. :-) http://www.youtu

Re: I wish to advocate linux

Go Linux wrote: --- On Fri, 3/1/13, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: From: Joao Luis Meloni Assirati Subject: Re: I wish to advocate linux To: "Martin McCormick" Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Friday, March 1, 2013, 10:01 PM This guy managed to get everybody in this li

Re: I wish to advocate linux

--- On Fri, 3/1/13, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: > From: Joao Luis Meloni Assirati > Subject: Re: I wish to advocate linux > To: "Martin McCormick" > Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Date: Friday, March 1, 2013, 10:01 PM > This guy managed to get > every

Re: I wish to advocate linux

On 2013/3/1 11:05 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: There was once a fellow on a list I belong to whose postings were one tale of woe after another which is not that unusual for those of us who tinker and work in technology. The trouble with him was that it was all one b

Re: I wish to advocate linux

Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: There was once a fellow on a list I belong to whose postings were one tale of woe after another which is not that unusual for those of us who tinker and work in technology. The trouble with him was that it was all one big conspiracy against him and he was just goi

Re: I wish to advocate linux

> There was once a fellow on a list I belong to whose postings > were one tale of woe after another which is not that unusual for > those of us who tinker and work in technology. The trouble with > him was that it was all one big conspiracy against him and he > was just going to get out of the hobb

Re: An Apology was:Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Lisi Reisz wrote: It has been drawn to my attention off list that I am wrong ... NOT TO WORRY If I took myself too seriously I've siblings {and friends} who would resolve issue ;/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe

An Apology was:Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Friday 01 March 2013 08:33:41 Lisi Reisz wrote: > Thirdly, I didn't notice yesterday, but he is not even telling the truth. >  He cannot both be around 70 (he usually says he is approaching 70) and > have worked on/with punched cards in 1949.  (Do the arithmetic.) It has been drawn to my attent

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 14:37:32 -0500 Miles Fidelman wrote: > Brian wrote: > > On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 08:34:57 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > > >> Fair enough, but... I have to say it > >> > >> Back in my day, we not only had to walk to school, uphill, in both > >> directions, in the snow, but

Re: I wish to advocate linux --pclos from flash

On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 12:13:59PM -0500, Tom H wrote: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Doug wrote: > > There are instructions for making a boot flash-drive here: > > > > http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,80917.0.html > > Thanks but these instructions are for creating an installati

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Brian wrote: On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 08:34:57 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Fair enough, but... I have to say it Back in my day, we not only had to walk to school, uphill, in both directions, in the snow, but we also had to build our computers by hand, from TTL logic gates. :-) You had TTL l

Re: I wish to advocate linux --pclos from flash

On 03/01/2013 12:13 PM, Tom H wrote: /snip/ And there is always PCLinuxOS, which was originally designed expressly to make the transition to Linux easy for Windows users. I wasn't making an exhaustive list of distributions. I just check three and found their instructions. I've just checked PCL

Re: I wish to advocate linux --pclos from flash

On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 12:38:25 -0500, Tom H wrote: > On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati > wrote: > >> > >> Thanks but these instructions are for creating an installation flash drive > >> on Linux - and they're well hidden. So it's a fail from the perspective > >> of the pe

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

--- On Fri, 3/1/13, Richard Owlett wrote: > From: Richard Owlett > Subject: Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- > was [Re: I wish to advocate linux] > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Date: Friday, March 1, 2013, 12:43 PM > > > Pa

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Cybe R. Wizard wrote: On Fri, 1 Mar 2013 08:33:41 + Lisi Reisz wrote: He cannot both be around 70 (he usually says he is approaching 70) and have worked on/with punched cards in 1949. (Do the arithmetic.) I never claimed to be THAT old. Parents married day before Pearl Harbor - will lea

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Brian wrote: On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 08:34:57 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Fair enough, but... I have to say it Back in my day, we not only had to walk to school, uphill, in both directions, in the snow, but we also had to build our computers by hand, from TTL logic gates. :-) You had TTL

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Fri 01 Mar 2013 at 08:34:57 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Fair enough, but... I have to say it > > Back in my day, we not only had to walk to school, uphill, in both > directions, in the snow, but we also had to build our computers by > hand, from TTL logic gates. :-) You had TTL logic g

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Fri, 1 Mar 2013 08:33:41 + Lisi Reisz wrote: > He > cannot both be around 70 (he usually says he is approaching 70) and > have worked on/with punched cards in 1949. (Do the arithmetic.) That certainly doesn't tell the whole story. Those same punch cards or ones visually identical were

Re: I wish to advocate linux --pclos from flash

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: >> >> Thanks but these instructions are for creating an installation flash drive >> on Linux - and they're well hidden. So it's a fail from the perspective >> of the person criticizing distributions for not providing readily-availab

Re: I wish to advocate linux --pclos from flash

> Thanks but these instructions are for creating an installation flash drive > on Linux - and they're well hidden. So it's a fail from the perspective > of the person criticizing distributions for not providing readily-available > Windows instructions for creating one. Wow! This trolling will neve

Re: I wish to advocate linux

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Tom H wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Miles Fidelman >> wrote: >>> Tom H wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Come to think of it, that's a good point - and even relevant to Linux >

Re: I wish to advocate linux --pclos from flash

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Doug wrote: > On 02/28/2013 02:12 PM, Tom H wrote: >> >> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: >>> >>> On Thursday 28 February 2013 18:12:14 Tom H wrote: Linux isn't as myopic as people are claiming in this thread. Ubuntu points us

Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

Bob Proulx grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > David Guntner wrote: >> Anyway, the recipe is dirt simple. >> ... >> # Duplicate Suppression. >> :0Whc: $MAILDIR/.msgid.cache.lock >> | $FORMAIL -D 8192 $MAILDIR/.msgid.cache >> >> # Take out the Trash. >> :0 a: >> /dev/null >> >> T

Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

Bob Proulx wrote: David Guntner wrote: Anyway, the recipe is dirt simple. ... # Duplicate Suppression. :0Whc: $MAILDIR/.msgid.cache.lock | $FORMAIL -D 8192 $MAILDIR/.msgid.cache # Take out the Trash. :0 a: /dev/null For one I use the mailing list headers List-Id an

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

"Morel Bérenger" wrote: Le Ven 1 mars 2013 0:20, Miles Fidelman a écrit : - also, those of us who date back a few years still think of computers as things that "need some assembly" and bring that view to system software as well Well, here, let me laugh. Something which needs some assembly, is c

Re: I wish to advocate linux

Lars Noodén wrote: On 3/1/13 9:41 AM, Bob Proulx wrote: Munich in 2003 and Freiburg in 2007. Comment: OpenOffice's Tale of Two Cities http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Comment-OpenOffice-s-Tale-of-Two-Cities-1760502.html Munich's program was successful and expanded. Freiburg's failed an

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:43:13 -0500 Miles Fidelman wrote: > Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > Nope ;) > > It was the standard IBM keypunch. I spent many hours muttering at it > > in 1961. > > Ok... definitely a bit before my time. Used keypunches my freshman year > at college (1971) - in a course

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Le Ven 1 mars 2013 0:20, Miles Fidelman a écrit : > - those of us who go back a bit date from a time when computer science > was an offshoot of electrical engineering > analog and digital circuitry before ever touching a computer - gives a > very different perspective than starting with programming

Re: I wish to advocate linux

Le Jeu 28 février 2013 11:32, Chris Bannister a écrit : > [Please keep attributions, I presume you are not answering yourself!] > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:39:09AM +0100, "Morel Bérenger" wrote: > >> >>> what? That's absurd. The only people I know who have their OS >>> installed at a shop are Appl

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Thursday 28 February 2013 23:20:08 Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Your experience doesn't make your point of reference of any greater value > > than anyone else's.  Many people go back a long way.  You were obviously > > in the miltary and/or in the States, since the first commercial computer > > thi

Re: I wish to advocate linux

On 3/1/13 9:41 AM, Bob Proulx wrote: > Munich in 2003 and Freiburg in 2007. > > Comment: OpenOffice's Tale of Two Cities > http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Comment-OpenOffice-s-Tale-of-Two-Cities-1760502.html > > Munich's program was successful and expanded. Freiburg's failed > and they re

Re: I wish to advocate linux

Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Morel Bérenger wrote: > > > Cities that switched from Microsoft to Linux, for their departments, > > > switched back to Windows. > > > > Not all. IIRC I've heard of Zurich, recently, said anew that it is > > interesting to switch to linux because very, very cheaper. > > > >

Re: Two copies of E-Mail (Re: I wish to advocate linux)

David Guntner wrote: > Anyway, the recipe is dirt simple. > ... > # Duplicate Suppression. > :0Whc: $MAILDIR/.msgid.cache.lock > | $FORMAIL -D 8192 $MAILDIR/.msgid.cache > > # Take out the Trash. > :0 a: > /dev/null > > That's all there is to it. The formail program is us

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 18:08:58 -0500 Miles Fidelman wrote: > Cybe R. Wizard wrote: > > It's a car punch machine: > > > > Car punch? > http://www.forkparty.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/E-Honda-Car-Punch.jpg > Heh, I needed that. Thanks. Cybe R. Wi

Re: I wish to advocate linux

On Thu, 2013-02-28 at 10:27 +0100, "Morel Bérenger" wrote: > > Cities that switched from Microsoft to Linux, for their departments, > > switched back to Windows. > > Not all. IIRC I've heard of Zurich, recently, said anew that it is > interesting to switch to linux because very, very cheaper. > >

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 28 February 2013 19:31:03 Richard Owlett wrote: Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 28 February 2013 16:01:03 Richard Owlett wrote: as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to Debian(tm?), Why is your seniority relevant? Just trying to convey that I've enough re

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Cybe R. Wizard wrote: It's a car punch machine: Car punch? http://www.forkparty.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/E-Honda-Car-Punch.jpg -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra -- To

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Thursday 28 February 2013 19:31:03 Richard Owlett wrote: > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Thursday 28 February 2013 16:01:03 Richard Owlett wrote: > >> as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to > >> Debian(tm?), > > > > Why is your seniority relevant? > > Just trying to convey that I've enough

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:58:56 -0600 "Cybe R. Wizard" wrote: > It's a car punch machine: ^ d > ...caRd punch machine. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Bar

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:09:46 -0500 Miles Fidelman wrote: > > > On 02/28/13 11:31, Richard Owlett wrote: > >> Lisi Reisz wrote: > >>> On Thursday 28 February 2013 16:01:03 Richard Owlett wrote: > as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to > Debian(tm?), > >>> > >>> Why is your sen

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Richard Owlett wrote: Nope ;) It was the standard IBM keypunch. I spent many hours muttering at it in 1961. Ok... definitely a bit before my time. Used keypunches my freshman year at college (1971) - in a course that took us from IBM 360 batch, to 360/TSO, to Multics - but after that, punc

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Thomas D. Dean wrote: On 02/28/13 13:09, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 02/28/13 11:31, Richard Owlett wrote: Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 28 February 2013 16:01:03 Richard Owlett wrote: as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to Debian(tm?), Why is your seniority relevant? Just tryin

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On 02/28/13 13:09, Miles Fidelman wrote: On 02/28/13 11:31, Richard Owlett wrote: Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 28 February 2013 16:01:03 Richard Owlett wrote: as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to Debian(tm?), Why is your seniority relevant? Just trying to convey that I've e

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On 02/28/13 11:31, Richard Owlett wrote: Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 28 February 2013 16:01:03 Richard Owlett wrote: as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to Debian(tm?), Why is your seniority relevant? Just trying to convey that I've enough real-world experience to have a val

Re: I wish to advocate linux

Tom H wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Tom H wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Come to think of it, that's a good point - and even relevant to Linux advocacy. I don't think I've ever seen a live CD for either Windows or MacOS (well, th

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

On 02/28/13 11:31, Richard Owlett wrote: Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 28 February 2013 16:01:03 Richard Owlett wrote: as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to Debian(tm?), Why is your seniority relevant? Just trying to convey that I've enough real-world experience to have a valid

Re: I wish to advocate linux --pclos from flash

On 02/28/2013 02:12 PM, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 28 February 2013 18:12:14 Tom H wrote: Linux isn't as myopic as people are claiming in this thread. Ubuntu points users to this page to create a flash installer: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/u

Re: I wish to advocate linux

On 02/28/2013 02:12 PM, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 28 February 2013 18:12:14 Tom H wrote: Linux isn't as myopic as people are claiming in this thread. Ubuntu points users to this page to create a flash installer: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/u

Re: Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 28 February 2013 16:01:03 Richard Owlett wrote: as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to Debian(tm?), Why is your seniority relevant? Just trying to convey that I've enough real-world experience to have a valid point of reference without heavy handily

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On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Thursday 28 February 2013 18:12:14 Tom H wrote: >> >> Linux isn't as myopic as people are claiming in this thread. >> >> Ubuntu points users to this page to create a flash installer: >> >> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-

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On 02/28/2013 01:54 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 28 February 2013 18:12:14 Tom H wrote: Linux isn't as myopic as people are claiming in this thread. Ubuntu points users to this page to create a flash installer: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ And Fedor

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On Thursday 28 February 2013 16:01:03 Richard Owlett wrote: > as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to > Debian(tm?), Why is your seniority relevant? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists

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On Thursday 28 February 2013 18:12:14 Tom H wrote: > Linux isn't as myopic as people are claiming in this thread. > > Ubuntu points users to this page to create a flash installer: > > http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ > > And Fedora points users to a Windows versio

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On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Tom H wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Miles Fidelman >> wrote: >>> >>> Come to think of it, that's a good point - and even relevant to Linux >>> advocacy. I don't think I've ever seen a live CD for either Windows or >>> MacOS (we

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On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > Brian wrote: >> On Thu 28 Feb 2013 at 09:36:29 +, Joe wrote: >>> On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:04:04 -0500 >>> Mark Filipak wrote: Let me give you an example of the kind of insensitivity (or myopic stupidity) that seems to be t

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On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Brian wrote: > On Thu 28 Feb 2013 at 09:36:29 +, Joe wrote: >> On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:04:04 -0500 >> Mark Filipak wrote: >>> >>> Let me give you an example of the kind of insensitivity (or myopic >>> stupidity) that seems to be the hallmark of the Linux commun

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Tom H wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: So here we have it. You are trying to run a Linux distribution from USB stick. Somehing very exotic, not for beginers. Now I dare you to prove that it is easier (or even possible) to do this wi

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On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote: >> >> So here we have it. You are trying to run a Linux distribution from USB >> stick. Somehing very exotic, not for beginers. Now I dare you to prove >> that it is easier (or even possible) to do this with

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Lisi Reisz wrote: On Thursday 28 February 2013 14:21:59 Martin McCormick wrote: In the 35 years I have been involved with modern computing, my experience has been that if you show you are making a good effort to help yourself, people will at least point you at a good reading list and many times,

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On 28 February 2013 16:30, Richard Owlett wrote: > Harvey Kelly wrote: >> [SNIP] >> Please, for your own sake, go to Linux Mint's site, grab an iso and >> try that installation. 99% of hardware is fully supported with Mint - >> at least try that. If something goes wrong then tell us the specifics.

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> I don't know if he was referring to that FAQ or not. > *HOWEVER*, as a senior citizen moving from Windows(tm) to Debian(tm?), > I find the transition unnecessarily annoying. I used http://goodbye-microsoft.org once and it went very smoothly. AFAICT this site doesn't exist any more, but I have th

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Harvey Kelly wrote: [SNIP] Please, for your own sake, go to Linux Mint's site, grab an iso and try that installation. 99% of hardware is fully supported with Mint - at least try that. If something goes wrong then tell us the specifics. http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php As a long time comp

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Am 28.02.2013 um 04:19 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: We're using Linux for different reasons, but comparison to Microsoft and Apple are useless. If I want to do a well defined collection of tasks then a *can* compare the platforms. Remark: I have experience with IBM 360/370+ (DOS, MVS, VM), A

Moving from a proprietary OS - unnecessarily inful experience -- was [Re: I wish to advocate linux]

Brian wrote: On Thu 28 Feb 2013 at 09:36:29 +, Joe wrote: On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:04:04 -0500 Mark Filipak wrote: Let me give you an example of the kind of insensitivity (or myopic stupidity) that seems to be the hallmark of the Linux community. In the Debian live page, dd is offered as

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On 02/27/2013 08:32 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: I don't think I've ever seen a live CD for either Windows or MacOS (well, the install DVD sort of is, but...). BartPE (Windows). But it's not a full-blown system. Quite minimalistic. And of course, there's the licensing issues -- Kent West<

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On Thursday 28 February 2013 14:21:59 Martin McCormick wrote: > In the 35 years I have been involved with modern > computing, my experience has been that if you show you are > making a good effort to help yourself, people will at least > point you at a good reading list and many times, they do a lo

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On 28 February 2013 14:21, Martin McCormick wrote: > There was once a fellow on a list I belong to whose postings > were one tale of woe after another... Yes, this whole thread/tale is reminding me of when I first installed a Linux system (SuSE 6.2, back in 1999). It took about 5 or 6 hours as I

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