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Date: Friday, 19 March 1999 2:58
Subject: Re: I can't believe this
>On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Richard Lyon wrote:
>
>> Logically it may be better to spend some money on an os which doesn't
require
>> specialist training to understand.
>
>Right.
On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 09:42:32AM -0800, fockface dickmeat wrote:
> Could you tell me how?
Run pppconfig from the pppconfig package.
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On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:42:32 PST, fockface dickmeat wrote:
>Could you tell me how?
pppconfig
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debianuser writes:
> Could you tell me how [to set up ppp]?
Run pppconfig as root to configure ppp. Use pon to bring up the connection
and poff to shut it down.
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Could you tell me how?
>From: Lawrence Walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: "debian-user@lists.debian.org"
>Subject: Re: I can't believe this
>Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 13:07:23 -0800 (PST)
>
>Well I have to say that s
On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Richard Lyon wrote:
> Logically it may be better to spend some money on an os which doesn't require
> specialist training to understand.
Right. Which one might that be? (I've used dozens of OSes and I haven't
yet come across one like that.)
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Tommy Malloy wrote:
>
> In regard to debian's install being difficult for newbies, there seems a
DIFFICULT???
I find the install for Debian to be one of the easiest around. If it
boots, it will install! I have had more trouble installing M$ products
than I have had installing Debian.
> simpl
In regard to debian's install being difficult for newbies, there seems a
simple solution. At the beginning of the install process have a menu
that asks what competency level the user is. (beginner, intermediate,
advanced) Then have an install procedure suitable for that level.
Some menus could a
George Bonser wrote:
>
> On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Ed Cogburn wrote:
>
> > I don't see Deb spending a lot of time playing politics. I don't
> > see Deb developers spending a lot of time on other mailing lists
> > or newsgroups proselytizing Debian over other dists. For the most
> > part, we do
> I see a lot of squabbling on debian-devel and there is doubtless more
> unseen in debian-private about political issues from every conceivable
> angle.
Actually there is much less on debian-private.
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George Bonser wrote:
>
> On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Adam Linford - Prima House wrote:
>
> > The point I'm trying to make is that effort often returns
> > satisfaction and knowledge, which is why I'm here. Debian is more than just
> > software, it's politics.
> >
> > Adam
>
> WHich I personally s
> I'm now taking a course in Linux. It's the only way I can learn
> it. Dos, Windows, Assembler, AppleDos, etc are all self -intuitive. Linux
> is not.
Have you tried a good book like "Running LINUX" by Welsh and Kaufman
(O'Reilly)? It helped me a lot.
The linux HOWTOs are pretty good also.
On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have to admit, there were several times even *I*
> was ready to delete everything Linux on my PC - but my continual displeasure
> with everything MicroSoft kept me going.
Hear Hear I was the same.
Michael Beattie ([EMAIL
On Tuesday 9 March, Kieth Murphy wrote
>* I'm not sure the installation itself needs radical fixing.
>* Please preserve robustness.
>* Maybe we need to represent a clear alternative.
>* Maybe RedHat has its priorities wrong (flash over >functionality?).
I agree with these opinions, and moreover,
George Bonser wrote:
>
> On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Jesse Evans wrote:
>
> > I feel that most of the press coverage of Linux has been tainted by
> > the
> > commercial marketing efforts of certain distributions. If I were a writer
> > and
> > had no knowledge of the subject matter of my current
Folks,
My 2- cents:
I've come from a background of writing dataacq apps for DOS/Windows for
product manufacturing. Maybe that gives me a leg up to getting a Linux system
running, maybe it doesn't.
Still, I found that downloading a dozen or so floppies and installing
to a
On 03/08/99 at 10:21:55, eferen1 wrote concerning "Re: I can't believe this":
> it. Dos, Windows, Assembler, AppleDos, etc are all self -intuitive. Linux
> is not.
Absolutely not. Dos, Windows, etc. etc. are not self-intuitive. They
each assume certain proficiencies,
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On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:15:02 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Again, this article was written for the person who is new to Linux, and I
>agree - for the newbie - be afraid. It can be done, but it takes HOURS of
>work and HOURS of reading. Most new user
Well I have to say that setting up ppp in debian was the easyist, of all
the Linux distros and any other OS I have installed.
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On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:52:46 -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
>> I think these criticisms are overstated in many cases. Ever try to get
>> ppp running on Solaris? I have installed many distributions. The initial
>> install is only a portion of the problem. T
On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, Mark Wagnon wrote:
>I can't really find any criticisms that were mentioned that reading
>through the docs, or asking on this list wouldn't solve.
First off, I agree with you. However, people don't want to have to read
through the docs, or rather, "hunt" through the docs. Peop
On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, eferen1 wrote:
> with me. I'm now taking a course in Linux. It's the only way I can learn
> it. Dos, Windows, Assembler, AppleDos, etc are all self -intuitive. Linux
> is not.
I disagree with this. Linux is no less self-intuitive than DOS or
assembler (or any lang
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> | quarter of 1901 due to year 2000 problems.
>
This is really good! I will put
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To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 04:45
Subject: I can't believe this
>
>http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/features/opensource/390823.html
>
>zdnet did a review of Debian. Included are such comments as:
>
>Debian GNU/Linux 2.0 ($38.95
In a message dated 3/7/99 10:45:21 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Debian GNU/Linux 2.0 ($38.95 direct) ...
> ...Windows users should steer clear of Debian.
I completely agree. Your forget, the targe of Windows is those people that
DON'T know an IRQ from an I/O address.
On Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 00:22 -0500, Brian Clark wrote:
>
> "If you're trying Linux for the first time, Red Hat is the best choice."
>
> If I had to choose for the first time again, there is no doubt in my mind
> that I would go with Debian. Period.
As horrible as it sounds I think I would have
On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 09:43:11PM -0800, George Bonser wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Ben Collins wrote:
>
> > Aside from the obvious errors, I think we should note the criticisms,
> > they are actually quite true (they didn't beat around the bush when
> > mentioning them either).
>
> Ben,
>
> I thi
> Yeah, and a whole bunch of other people. Basicly the article's slant is
> be afraid of Debian, be very afraid.
I couldn't believe the way they portrayed Debian as a commercial product --
even the X days of support (that's your job George:-).
The one strong positive they noted -- the packa
On 1999-03-07 22:47, Mark Wagnon wrote:
> George Bonser wrote:
> I've tried most of the distributions. I started with slackware, dabbled
> with redhat, tried debian 1.3 but wasn't able to get past dselect back
> then, used suse for more that a year, and now I'm settled with debian.
Nothing beat
George Bonser wrote:
>
> I think these criticisms are overstated in many cases. Ever try to get
> ppp running on Solaris? I have installed many distributions. The initial
> install is only a portion of the problem. The rest comes in getting the
> system configured the way that you need it. That
On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 08:44:34PM -0800, George Bonser wrote:
>
> http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/features/opensource/390823.html
>
> zdnet did a review of Debian. Included are such comments as:
>
> Debian GNU/Linux 2.0 ($38.95 direct) ...
> ...Windows users should steer clear of Debian.
Aside from th
George Bonser said:
//http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/features/opensource/390823.html
//
//zdnet did a review of Debian. Included are such comments as:
//
//Debian GNU/Linux 2.0 ($38.95 direct) ...
//...Windows users should steer clear of Debian.
//
//...The company says it will include a new applicatio
On 07/06/98 at 09:47 PM, Mark Panzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Mike Merten wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 09:51:52PM +0200, Shiraz Sayani wrote:
>> > I seem to have been receiving some spam which started after I asked
>> > a question on this list (note the new mung).
>>
>> As a matter of
>> Johann Spies wrote:
>> >I have also received the beanie-bag spam. I received the followin message
>> >last week and just want to know whether some of you did also receive it:
>>
>> I received a message with similar text which I forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> They said they were dealing
Somnolent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I haven't received that spam, but my guess is it may not be targeted at
> you (do you think an AOL user can manage it?)
nb
Perhaps it's worth noting here that it's not your typical 'AOL user' that one
has to worry about, but rather fairly skilled pirates w
On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Shiraz Sayani wrote:
> Thomas Apel wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Just for the record: I also got this beanie-baby-thing twice the last
> > month. But not from AOL. The first was from msn.com and the second from
> > fuse.net. But as "Somnolent" already said I'm not 100% sure i
On Tue, Jul 07, 1998 at 08:53:28AM +0200, Johann Spies wrote:
> Hallo,
>
> I have also received the beanie-bag spam. I received the followin message
> last week and just want to know whether some of you did also receive it:
>
> >Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:13:20 EDT
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To
Thomas Apel wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> Just for the record: I also got this beanie-baby-thing twice the last
> month. But not from AOL. The first was from msn.com and the second from
> fuse.net. But as "Somnolent" already said I'm not 100% sure if this is
> somehow related to this list.
>
Yep. It's pr
Johann Spies wrote:
>
> Hallo,
>
> I have also received the beanie-bag spam. I received the followin message
> last week and just want to know whether some of you did also receive it:
>
> >Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:13:20 EDT
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Please
Johann Spies wrote:
>
> Hallo,
>
> I have also received the beanie-bag spam. I received the followin message
> last week and just want to know whether some of you did also receive it:
>
> >Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:13:20 EDT
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Please
Johann Spies wrote:
>I have also received the beanie-bag spam. I received the followin message
>last week and just want to know whether some of you did also receive it:
I received a message with similar text which I forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
They said they were dealing with it.
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Hallo,
I have also received the beanie-bag spam. I received the followin message
last week and just want to know whether some of you did also receive it:
>Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 00:13:20 EDT
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Please Read
>Hello, my name is Andy. I know whe
On Tue, 7 Jul 1998, Somnolent wrote:
: Mark Panzer wrote:
: >
: > > As a matter of fact, I too have received a few... one from some
: > > jerk on AOL advertising 'beanie-baby grab-bags' and one from...
: > > heck, can't remember which major news net, ZDNET maybe? (didn't save
: > > it) :(... ex
Mark Harrison wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> There is a debian policy. I cant remeber the details but it says
> something like "if you advertise then you agree to pay $1999 per
> advertismentand if you contact us we might discount this rate for
> relavent advertising". So, should someone send them t
Mark Panzer wrote:
>
> Mike Merten wrote:
> >
[snip]
>
> I also had the exact same spam mail (beanie bags and all) there should
> be a debian policy against using e-mail archives for spam-mail
> purposes. It really does get annoying recieving such mail.
>
> Mark Panzer
>
There is a debian pol
Mark Panzer wrote:
>
> > As a matter of fact, I too have received a few... one from some
> > jerk on AOL advertising 'beanie-baby grab-bags' and one from...
> > heck, can't remember which major news net, ZDNET maybe? (didn't save
> > it) :(... exclaiming all the 'neato' features of Windoze 98 ;/
Mike Merten wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 09:51:52PM +0200, Shiraz Sayani wrote:
> > I seem to have been receiving some spam which started after I asked
> > a question on this list (note the new mung).
> >
> > Has anyone else had the same? Am I being paranoid, or is it
> > possible some spamm
On Mon, Jul 06, 1998 at 09:51:52PM +0200, Shiraz Sayani wrote:
> I seem to have been receiving some spam which started after I asked
> a question on this list (note the new mung).
>
> Has anyone else had the same? Am I being paranoid, or is it
> possible some spammer is mining the archives of thes
I seem to have been receiving some spam which started after I asked
a question on this list (note the new mung).
Has anyone else had the same? Am I being paranoid, or is it
possible some spammer is mining the archives of these lists?
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At 09:24 PM 12/1/96 -0800, you wrote:
>I'll offer this guess: the troublesome card does DMA, and is not being shut
>down before the kernel reboots. It writes to its previously programmed
>buffer address during the memory test, which of course causes the memory
>test to fail. Warm boot works beca
Eloy A. Paris wrote:
>
> well, I have spent my whole Saturday chasing the answer and I think I am
> pretty close now. I think I found the cause: it's that damned Boca Research
> BOCALAN card VL. Today I tried EVERYTHING:
> [...]
> I ran for about 1 and a half years kernel 1.2.13 on this machine an
I'll copy your report to Donald Becker, the driver author.
Bruce
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