Re: Debian's release support policy

2003-03-30 Thread Rob Weir
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 01:41:34AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 12:31:27PM -0500, Noah Meyerhans wrote: > > Potato is very much in the same place as NT 4.0. > > Save one *very* important distinction: It's extremely expensive and > time consuming to progress along the NT tr

Re: Debian's release support policy

2003-03-29 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 06:35:14PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > OK, I went and checked my facts. Potato was released on 14 August 2000. > On 14 September 2000, an announcement was made that support would be > discontinued on 30 September 2000 [1], toge

Re: Debian's release support policy

2003-03-29 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 07:57:40AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 11:57:45AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > > I don't think we'd ever inflict something as short as 2 weeks on our > > users, large sites or no large sites. > > When Potato went stable, 2 weeks was all the previou

Re: Debian's release support policy

2003-03-29 Thread John Hasler
Paul Johnson writes: > When Potato went stable, 2 weeks was all the previous distro got. When > people complained loudly, security team said "You should have said > something earlier." That was before the present network of security build daemons was developed. Backported security fixes had to b

Re: Debian's release support policy

2003-03-29 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 11:57:45AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > I don't think we'd ever inflict something as short as 2 weeks on our > users, large sites or no large sites. When Potato went stable, 2 weeks was all the previous distro got. When people

Re: Debian's release support policy

2003-03-29 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 01:47:55AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 03:19:19PM -0800, ow wrote: > > Something like "we support our releases for 24 months (or whatever) > > from the date of the release" would be very helpful, I think, to all > > Debian users (and developers). Thi

Re: Debian's release support policy

2003-03-29 Thread Aryan Ameri
On Saturday 29 March 2003 01:19, ow wrote: > IMHO, Debian should establish a clear security/critical bug support > policy and post it on your support/security page where it's easy to > find. > Something like "we support our releases for 24 months (or whatever) > from the date of the release" would

Re: Debian's release support policy

2003-03-29 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 03:19:19PM -0800, ow wrote: > Something like "we support our releases for 24 months (or whatever) > from the date of the release" would be very helpful, I think, to all > Debian users (and developers). This way everyone knows wh

Re: Debian's release support policy

2003-03-29 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 12:31:27PM -0500, Noah Meyerhans wrote: > Potato is very much in the same place as NT 4.0. Save one *very* important distinction: It's extremely expensive and time consuming to progress along the NT track, whereas it's only sl

Re: Debian's release support policy

2003-03-29 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 07:28:44AM -0800, ow wrote: > IMHO, "I will probably continue to support" does not really sound like > a policy. What sounds like even less of a policy is to continue using software long after even the publisher has moved on,

Re: Debian's release support policy

2003-03-28 Thread ow
> Well, Joey means that he (and the rest of the security team) will > support potato to the best of his ability. The problem is, it was > released 2 and a half years ago, and so much of the software in it is > really hard to support still. Microsoft recently made the news for > claiming that WinN

Re: Debian's release support policy

2003-03-28 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 07:28:44AM -0800, ow wrote: > IMHO, "I will probably continue to support" does not really sound like > a policy. I think Debian users, including potential ones, would benefit > from clear and precise security/support policy (whatever it may be) > that can be found in an obvi

Re: Debian's release support policy

2003-03-28 Thread ow
> > Does Debian have an official policy regarding how long security > updates > > and critical bug fixes will be provided for a release (e.g. six > months, > > one year, etc)? > > STFW. 8:o) > > http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/07/index.en.html > IMHO, "I will probably continue to suppor

Re: Debian's release support policy

2003-03-28 Thread Aryan Ameri
On Friday 28 March 2003 14:20, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 01:35:48PM +0200, Aryan Ameri wrote: > > I think that's the release date of Woody. Potato was released long before > > that. > > Not according to the Potato release page. According to Potato's release page, Debian GNU/Lin

Re: Debian's release support policy

2003-03-28 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 04:20:42AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 01:35:48PM +0200, Aryan Ameri wrote: > > I think that's the release date of Woody. Potato was released long before > > that. > > Not according to the Potato release page... Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 (a.k.a. Pota

Re: Debian's release support policy

2003-03-28 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 01:35:48PM +0200, Aryan Ameri wrote: > I think that's the release date of Woody. Potato was released long before > that. Not according to the Potato release page...I never used the spud so I don't know...I've been tracking uns

Re: Debian's release support policy

2003-03-28 Thread Aryan Ameri
On Friday 28 March 2003 11:30, Paul Johnson wrote: > Potato (most recent obsolete branch, which I kind of wish was renamed > "espy" in memory of the late debian developer to which potato was > dedicated) will continue to get security updates until June of this > year. It was released July 13, 200

Re: Debian's release support policy

2003-03-28 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 04:49:21PM -0800, ow wrote: > Does Debian have an official policy regarding how long security updates > and critical bug fixes will be provided for a release (e.g. six months, > one year, etc)? STFW. 8:o) http://www.debian.or

Re: Debian's release support policy

2003-03-27 Thread Sharninder
> > Does Debian have an official policy regarding how long security > updates and critical bug fixes will be provided for a release (e.g. > six months, one year, etc)? > i am not too sure but i think i read this somewhere that as long as there is a current release updates will be provided for it.

Re: Debian's release support policy

2003-03-27 Thread nate
ow said: > Recent changes to Redhat support policy > (http://www.redhat.com/apps/support/errata/) got me somewhat concerned. > > Does Debian have an official policy regarding how long security updates > and critical bug fixes will be provided for a release (e.g. six months, > one year, etc)? not r

Debian's release support policy

2003-03-27 Thread ow
Recent changes to Redhat support policy (http://www.redhat.com/apps/support/errata/) got me somewhat concerned. Does Debian have an official policy regarding how long security updates and critical bug fixes will be provided for a release (e.g. six months, one year, etc)? Thanks __