Re: OT: FidoNet [Was Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]]

2006-10-30 Thread Dmitri Minaev
On 10/30/06, Tim Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not quite, but close. FidoNET pre-dates BitNET (which became Usenet) by just a few years. I remember this well because I was one of the lucky few to receive a Usenet feed from Univ of MD (which I piped promptly into my BBS, heavily modified WWIV).

Re: OT: FidoNet [Was Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]]

2006-10-30 Thread Tim Post
On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 07:52 -0500, Gregory Seidman wrote: > I am not 100% certain, but I believe Usenet predates FidoNet, if you want > to talk about message boards and their equivalents. Blogging, however, is a > different animal. > Not quite, but close. FidoNET pre-dates BitNET (which became U

Re: OT: FidoNet [Was Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]]

2006-10-30 Thread Tim Post
On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 07:20 -0500, Ed Curtis wrote: > I just had a conversation over the weekend about blogging with my mom. > She asked me what it was. I told her people had been doing it for years > before it ever became "blogging" on BBS's through fidonet, etc. > I had a similar conversation

Re: OT: FidoNet [Was Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]]

2006-10-30 Thread Gregory Seidman
On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 07:20:35AM -0500, Ed Curtis wrote: } On Sun, 29 Oct 2006, Tim Post wrote: } > On Thu, 2006-10-26 at 12:40 -0400, Chris Walters wrote: } > > > Anyone remember FidoNET? } > > } > > Yes, I definitely remember FidoNet - I even ran a BBS there for a while. } } I just had a conv

Re: OT: FidoNet [Was Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]]

2006-10-30 Thread Ed Curtis
On Sun, 29 Oct 2006, Tim Post wrote: > On Thu, 2006-10-26 at 12:40 -0400, Chris Walters wrote: > > > > Anyone remember FidoNET? > > > > Yes, I definitely remember FidoNet - I even ran a BBS there for a while. I just had a conversation over the weekend about blogging with my mom. She asked me w

Re: OT: FidoNet [Was Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]]

2006-10-30 Thread Miles Fidelman
Dmitri Minaev wrote: On 10/29/06, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Chris Walters wrote: >>> Anyone remember FidoNET? Not only remember, but still read and write. Russian conferences are still working and available through FidoNet-NNTP gates as fido7.* newsgroups. For some years, I used t

Re: OT: FidoNet [Was Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]]

2006-10-30 Thread Dmitri Minaev
On 10/29/06, Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Chris Walters wrote: >>> Anyone remember FidoNET? Not only remember, but still read and write. Russian conferences are still working and available through FidoNet-NNTP gates as fido7.* newsgroups. For some years, I used to run such gate (based

Re: Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]

2006-10-29 Thread cothrige
* Steve Lamb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Play on words, "holding it to one self" and "holding views". Point being > that not everyone is using Debian for the same reason and the rabidness that > some of the radical views are presented are quite off-putting. Not everyone > is rabidly anti-

Re: Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]

2006-10-29 Thread Steve Lamb
cothrige wrote: > I don't really follow you here. How does holding imply not talking? > Surely you don't make a habit of talking about topics you don't hold > views on? ;-) Play on words, "holding it to one self" and "holding views". Point being that not everyone is using Debian for the same

Re: Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]

2006-10-29 Thread Marty
Steve Lamb wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: If people around here (and elsewhere) would quit treating Linux/GNU project as if it were a religion, a political statement, a way to change the world paradigm, a poke in the eye at the mythically evil MicroSoft Empire, an end to capitalism as we know it, an

Re: TOT: FidoNet [Was Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]]

2006-10-29 Thread Chris Walters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Steve Lamb wrote: > Chris Walters wrote: Anyone remember FidoNET? > >> Yes, I definitely remember FidoNet - I even ran a BBS there for a while. > > Better still, anyone find themselves nostalgic over FidoNET and wondering > if there might

Re: Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]

2006-10-28 Thread cothrige
* Steve Lamb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > cothrige wrote: > > Is this really "off putting"? Why? Maybe I am just not really seeing > > what is meant here, but I cannot recall a single instance of being > > bothered because somebody held a particular view concerning the > > political or philosophi

Re: Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]

2006-10-28 Thread Pollywog
On Sunday 29 October 2006 04:01, Steve Lamb wrote: > cothrige wrote: > > Is this really "off putting"? Why? Maybe I am just not really seeing > > what is meant here, but I cannot recall a single instance of being > > bothered because somebody held a particular view concerning the > > political or

Re: Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]

2006-10-28 Thread Steve Lamb
cothrige wrote: > Is this really "off putting"? Why? Maybe I am just not really seeing > what is meant here, but I cannot recall a single instance of being > bothered because somebody held a particular view concerning the > political or philosophical nature of GNU or Linux. Holding? No. Sh

Re: Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]

2006-10-28 Thread cothrige
* Steve Lamb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Mike McCarty wrote: > > If people around here (and elsewhere) would quit treating Linux/GNU > > project as if it were a religion, a political statement, a way to > > change the world paradigm, a poke in the eye at the mythically evil > > MicroSoft Empire, a

Re: OT: FidoNet [Was Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]]

2006-10-28 Thread Tim Post
On Thu, 2006-10-26 at 12:40 -0400, Chris Walters wrote: > > Anyone remember FidoNET? > > Yes, I definitely remember FidoNet - I even ran a BBS there for a while. > > As for the original topic, in a community this large and diverse there > is bound to be disharmony. The key question is whether

Re: OT: FidoNet [Was Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]]

2006-10-28 Thread Steve Lamb
Ron Johnson wrote: > SSMTP over non-standard ports? Doesn't much help since it drops back onto the old net. Fido (the tech, not just the net) is a completely different technology in that it doesn't need the ether, it isn't unified, it is something that anyone can participate in and there's re

Re: Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]

2006-10-28 Thread Steve Lamb
Mike McCarty wrote: > If people around here (and elsewhere) would quit treating Linux/GNU > project as if it were a religion, a political statement, a way to > change the world paradigm, a poke in the eye at the mythically evil > MicroSoft Empire, an end to capitalism as we know it, and a triumph >

Re: OT: FidoNet [Was Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]]

2006-10-28 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/28/06 19:38, Steve Lamb wrote: > Chris Walters wrote: Anyone remember FidoNET? > >> Yes, I definitely remember FidoNet - I even ran a BBS there for a while. > > Better still, anyone find themselves nostalgic over FidoNET and wondering

Re: OT: FidoNet [Was Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]]

2006-10-28 Thread Steve Lamb
Chris Walters wrote: >>> Anyone remember FidoNET? > Yes, I definitely remember FidoNet - I even ran a BBS there for a while. Better still, anyone find themselves nostalgic over FidoNET and wondering if there might be a growing need for it? Not in terms of spam but in terms of privacy? Sinc

Re: Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]

2006-10-26 Thread Mike McCarty
Bruno Buys wrote: To be honest, Mike and all others, the hostility in this list was worse in the past. I felt some improvement in this respect. I don't follow other linux lists to be able to compare, but in forums certainly there are competition and hostility, so I don't think debian is a specia

Re: Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]

2006-10-26 Thread Bruno Buys
Mike McCarty wrote: > Kent West wrote: > >> Mike McCarty wrote: >> >>> If people around here (and elsewhere) would quit treating Linux/GNU >>> project as if it were a religion, a political statement, a way to >>> change the world paradigm, a poke in the eye at the mythically evil >>> MicroSoft Emp

Re: Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]

2006-10-26 Thread Kent West
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Re: Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]

2006-10-26 Thread Mike McCarty
Kent West wrote: Mike McCarty wrote: If people around here (and elsewhere) would quit treating Linux/GNU project as if it were a religion, a political statement, a way to change the world paradigm, a poke in the eye at the mythically evil MicroSoft Empire, an end to capitalism as we know it, an

Re: Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]

2006-10-26 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
T.J. Duchene wrote: <> > > I'm going to delibrately make a few comments now, and if everyone gets > upset, so be it. <> Any group of people will end up arguing about stuff. Its the nature of the beast. Frankly, though most of the arguing is off-topic, the fact that people here argue is a good th

Re: Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]

2006-10-26 Thread Kent West
Mike McCarty wrote: If people around here (and elsewhere) would quit treating Linux/GNU project as if it were a religion, a political statement, a way to change the world paradigm, a poke in the eye at the mythically evil MicroSoft Empire, an end to capitalism as we know it, and a triumph of the

Re: Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]

2006-10-26 Thread Mike McCarty
T.J. Duchene wrote: I'd like to start by applauding your effort to spread some oil on these waters. What follows is the $0.02 USD worth of commentary of one who has essentially abandoned contributing in whatever small way he did to this mail list. Steve, I'm sorry if you took my comments the

Re: OT: FidoNet [Was Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]]

2006-10-26 Thread Chris Walters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 - Original Message From: Tim Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EM

Re: Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]

2006-10-26 Thread Douglas Tutty
On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 09:45:34AM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > Nothing on these lists is a personal attack, and it gets so tiresome to > see all this hostility all the time. Honestly, that's one of the > greatest problems with Debian or any other list. You make a comment, > and the next thing

Re: Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]

2006-10-26 Thread Tim Post
On Thu, 2006-10-26 at 09:45 -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > Nothing on these lists is a personal attack, and it gets so tiresome to > see all this hostility all the time. Honestly, that's one of the > greatest problems with Debian or any other list. You make a comment, > and the next thing you g

Community hostility [Was Recent spam increase]

2006-10-26 Thread T.J. Duchene
On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 23:43 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > T.J. Duchene wrote: > > Granted, several of the new MUAs aka "mail clients" or more precisely > > "mail user agents" have some very primitive filtering capabilities, but > > ladies and gentlemen, the most practical mail filtering or sorting is