Re: Using packaged Nix

Le 05/07/2024 à 11:31, Nicolas George a écrit : [...] There is another property of Nix I need: Nix never replaces a file, it only creates new files under different directories. This is important for me as I intend to use the same snapshot of the /nix volume connected read-only on multiple

Re: Using packaged Nix

didier gaumet (12024-07-04): > I tried the Debian way (installing nix-setup-systemd, which install nix-bin) > without success. I then tried the method quoted in this webpage: > https://ariya.io/2020/05/nix-package-manager-on-ubuntu-or-debian > also without success but I indicate it bec

Re: Using packaged Nix

didier gaumet (12024-07-04): > (sorry Nicolas, I first sent you a private mail instead of posting on this > list, my bad) No problem, I just wondered for a few seconds why it arrived twice. > Guix, the GNU version of Nix, seems (at least basically) functional from the > sta

Re: Using packaged Nix

(sorry Nicolas, I first sent you a private mail instead of posting on this list, my bad) Le 04/07/2024 à 15:07, Nicolas George a écrit : > Unfortunately, no luck. > > error: selector '.*libossp_uuid.*' matches no derivations [...] Guix, the GNU version of Nix, seems

Re: Using packaged Nix

Le 04/07/2024 à 15:07, Nicolas George a écrit : Unfortunately, no luck. [...] What I need is something that explains how to use Nix on Debian when all you have are documentations about Nix not on Debian. I tried the Debian way (installing nix-setup-systemd, which install nix-bin) without

Re: Using packaged Nix

didier gaumet (12024-06-28): > Disclaimer: I have never used Nix Thanks for the heads up. I kind of hoped somebody who did would see this mail. > from the Nix to Debian phrasebook > ( https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Nix_to_Debian_phrasebook ) > I would try: > $ nix-env -qaP

Re: Using packaged Nix

Hello, Disclaimer: I have never used Nix from the Nix to Debian phrasebook ( https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Nix_to_Debian_phrasebook ) I would try: $ nix-env -qaP '.*libossp_uuid.*' As an answer to your other question (is there another package system managing dependencies available on D

Using packaged Nix

Hi. I am trying to use Nix on Debian, with the packaged version. My goal is to have a pristine Debian OS and the ability to install binaries for specific versions of common software independently from the OS. The problem is: none of the commands I find on the web work in this setup. For

Nix on Debian for installing packages

Hi. I am considering using Nix to install packages that are not available in Debian, or not available in the version I need. But I ear NixOS has a quite different taste than usual Linux distros, and I know Debian, and all our homemade admin scripts are tailored for Debian-based systems, so I will

Proper way to add per-user profile under nix

I have installed ‘nix-setup-systemd’. And I was on the getting started page of nix website. In the sample app, ‘nix-build’ gave me the following error: --8<---cut here---start->8--- warning: Nix search path entry '/nix/var/nix/profiles/per-user/pank

Re: *nix

> I don't see how gpicview is a keyboard-friendly program. For example, > I can't even see a way of navigating round a large image with the > cursor keys. The only way I found of stepping through a number of > files is to use the OpenFile dialog box as a thumbnail viewer. > What have I missed? (T

Re: *nix

On 2020-02-19, David Anthony wrote: > > I have been trying to install Debian (and Mint) on an HP Pavilion Desktop. > The installation goes smoothly until "Grub" begins to install. At that > point the entire system freezes. I have tried the install multiple times > with the same result each time.

Re: *nix

I have been trying to install Debian (and Mint) on an HP Pavilion Desktop. The installation goes smoothly until "Grub" begins to install. At that point the entire system freezes. I have tried the install multiple times with the same result each time. Has anyone else had a similar problem and if

Re: *nix

On Tue 18 Feb 2020 at 03:48:49 (+0100), 0...@caiway.net wrote: > > > I also tend to use programs that allow me to use the keyboard. > > mplayer - and its successor, mpv - work great with the keyboard. > > xv works great for displaying GIFs and JPEGs. (At least older > > ones - some newer JPEGs c

Re: *nix

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 10:39:29AM -0600, David Wright wrote: > In Debian I think that xv fell by the wayside between woody and sarge. > It seemed to get stuck at 3.10a. IIRC it was always in non-free > because of its licence, so I can only check via my dpkg -l > listings. So I haven't used it fo

Re: *nix

On Mon 17 Feb 2020 at 17:06:01 (-0800), Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2020-02-17 at 06:00:01, David Wright wrote: > > On Sun 16 Feb 2020 at 13:03:05 (-0800), Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 21:10:01 +0100 Andrei POPESCU > >> wrote: > >>> On Du, 16 feb 20, 09:36:16, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

Re: *nix

Charlie Gibbs wrote: > Not withdrawn, no.  But newer software tends to neglect the keyboard > in favour of pointy-clicky stuff.  Note that I'm not just talking > about Linux, which really isn't that bad.  On other OSes, however, > the situation is much worse. The smartphone generation do not know

Re: *nix

> I also tend to use programs that allow me to use the keyboard. > mplayer - and its successor, mpv - work great with the keyboard. > xv works great for displaying GIFs and JPEGs. (At least older > ones - some newer JPEGs contain codes that xv can't handle. At > that point I reluctantly fall ba

Re: *nix

References: On 2020-02-17 at 06:00:01, David Wright wrote: > On Sun 16 Feb 2020 at 13:03:05 (-0800), Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 21:10:01 +0100 >> Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> >>> On Du, 16 feb 20, 09:36:16, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 14:20:01 +0100

Re: *nix

On Mon 17 Feb 2020 at 22:10:48 (+), mick crane wrote: > On 2020-02-17 20:18, Doug McGarrett wrote: > > > > In the 50s I heard that you could tap out the number on the > > > cradle in the public phone boxes and connect without inserting > > > coins. In the mid- to late-60s, there were codes th

Re: *nix

On 2020-02-17 20:18, Doug McGarrett wrote: In the 50s I heard that you could tap out the number on the cradle in the public phone boxes and connect without inserting coins. mick Now you tell me! --doug thinking back it was 60's. after that I heard a whistle you got in cornflake packets

Re: *nix

On 17/02/2020 18:52, mick crane wrote: On 2020-02-17 16:29, Charles Curley wrote: On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 22:07:59 -0500 Doug McGarrett wrote: (I fell off the stoop after tripping over my dog's tether in the dark on the 4th of July, 1915, and spent most of the summer in various stages of recovery

Re: *nix

On 2/17/20 1:52 PM, mick crane wrote: On 2020-02-17 16:29, Charles Curley wrote: On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 22:07:59 -0500 Doug McGarrett wrote: (I fell off the stoop after tripping over my dog's tether in the dark on the 4th of July, 1915, and spent most of the summer in various stages of recove

Re: *nix

On 2/17/20 10:03 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: On Feb 17, 2020, Curt wrote: On 2020-02-17, Doug McGarrett wrote: [...] I hope I never have to do so again. (I fell off the stoop after tripping over my dog's tether in the dark on the 4th of July, 1915, and spent most of the summer in various st

Re: *nix

On 2020-02-17 16:29, Charles Curley wrote: On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 22:07:59 -0500 Doug McGarrett wrote: (I fell off the stoop after tripping over my dog's tether in the dark on the 4th of July, 1915, and spent most of the summer in various stages of recovery.) Maybe some day I'll figure out how to

Re: *nix

On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 22:07:59 -0500 Doug McGarrett wrote: > (I fell off the stoop > after tripping over my dog's tether in the dark on the 4th of July, > 1915, and spent most of the summer in various stages of recovery.) > Maybe some day I'll figure out how to dial a number on the phone. I suspe

Re: *nix

On Feb 17, 2020, Curt wrote: > On 2020-02-17, Doug McGarrett wrote: >> >> >>> >> [...] I hope I never have to do so again. (I fell off the stoop >> after tripping over my dog's tether in the dark on the 4th of July, >> 1915, and spent most of the summer in various stages of recovery.) >> Maybe s

Re: *nix

On 2020-02-17, Doug McGarrett wrote: > > >> > Finally some common sense. I HATE touchscreen "technology" as they like > to call it. I want to use my keyboard and my trackball, and I do not > even try to communicate by touch-screen phone. A phone is a voice > communications device, as far as I'm

Re: *nix

On Sun, Feb 16, 2020 at 05:37:57PM -0500, Felmon Davis wrote: > On Sun, 16 Feb 2020, Curt wrote: > > >On 2020-02-15, John Kaufmann wrote: [...] > plus I suppose a lot of generalists are specialists in something or > other. ...in generality, at least. > also from the balcony. Now I fell down

Re: *nix

On Sun 16 Feb 2020 at 13:03:05 (-0800), Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 21:10:01 +0100 Andrei POPESCU > wrote: > > On Du, 16 feb 20, 09:36:16, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 14:20:01 +0100 Andrei POPESCU > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Just use whatever works for you. > >> > >>

Re: *nix

On 2/16/20 4:30 PM, Charles Curley wrote: On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 13:03:05 -0800 Charlie Gibbs wrote: > With touchscreen technology becoming the standard even for laptops > and desktop monitors the demand for keyboard oriented interaction > decreases so the developers must create interfac

Re: *nix

On Sun, 16 Feb 2020, Curt wrote: On 2020-02-15, John Kaufmann wrote: Just so. At what point does a small and natural generalization of "one thing" become more complex than a new thing? Simplicity is the friend, complexity the enemy; order the friend, entropy the enemy. It takes a lifetime of

Re: *nix

On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 13:03:05 -0800 Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > With touchscreen technology becoming the standard even for laptops > > and desktop monitors the demand for keyboard oriented interaction > > decreases so the developers must create interfaces that are better > > suited for tap / swip

Re: *nix

On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 21:10:01 +0100 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 16 feb 20, 09:36:16, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 14:20:01 +0100 Andrei POPESCU >> wrote: >> >>> Just use whatever works for you. >> >> If you can. I really resent the increasing amount of coercion >> toward us

Re: *nix

On Du, 16 feb 20, 09:36:16, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 14:20:01 +0100 Andrei POPESCU > wrote: > > > > Just use whatever works for you. > > If you can. I really resent the increasing amount of coercion > toward using GUIs (no keyboard equivalents for menus, etc.) that > I'm seeing

Re: *nix

On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 14:20:01 +0100 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 16 feb 20, 03:36:44, ghe wrote: > >> Complexity of the software is for us programmers to deal with. >> Making the programs useful for a user can be one of the problems >> in our writing and design. That, I think, is what they mea

Re: *nix

On Sun, 16 Feb 2020 12:31:30 - (UTC) Curt wrote: > That members of the most generalist species on earth should extol the > merits of the most extreme form of specialisation is something of an > ironic puzzlement here in the balcony seats. "Specialization is for insects." -- Robert Heinlein

Re: *nix

> That members of the most generalist species on earth should extol the > merits of the most extreme form of specialisation is something of an > ironic puzzlement here in the balcony seats. If you want to stay on top, you have to impose on others different rules than those you impose on yourself.

Re: *nix

On Du, 16 feb 20, 03:36:44, ghe wrote: > > Complexity of the software is for us programmers to deal with. Making > the programs useful for a user can be one of the problems in our > writing and design. That, I think, is what they meant by "One program > doing the job well" -- users have a colle

Re: *nix

On 2020-02-15, John Kaufmann wrote: > > Just so. At what point does a small and natural generalization of "one > thing" become more complex than a new thing? Simplicity is the friend, > complexity the enemy; order the friend, entropy the enemy. It takes a > lifetime of design to see where to draw

*nix

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Sunday, February 16, 2020 1:52 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 15 feb 20, 20:17:07, Charles Curley wrote: > > > On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:03:02 -0700 > > ghe g...@slsware.net wrote: > > > > > Until recently, the *nix c

Re: *nix

On 16/02/2020 05:52, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 15 feb 20, 20:17:07, Charles Curley wrote: >> On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:03:02 -0700 >> ghe wrote: >> >>> Until recently, the *nix communities have stuck pretty well to these >>> recommendations -- they'r

Re: *nix

On Sb, 15 feb 20, 20:17:07, Charles Curley wrote: > On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:03:02 -0700 > ghe wrote: > > > Until recently, the *nix communities have stuck pretty well to these > > recommendations -- they're just descriptions of competent programming, > > after a

Re: *nix

On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:03:02 -0700 ghe wrote: > Until recently, the *nix communities have stuck pretty well to these > recommendations -- they're just descriptions of competent programming, > after all. There may be some discussion over the definitions of "one > thing&qu

Re: *nix

"maxims...gained currency among the builders and users..." The first >>> sentence of the first maxim in the list is, "Make each program do >>> one thing well." >>> >>> The second sentence is "To do a new job, build afresh rather than >

Re: *nix

ne > thing well." > > The second sentence is "To do a new job, build afresh rather than > complicate old programs by adding new 'features.'" > > Until recently, the *nix communities have stuck pretty well to these > recommendations -- they're just d

Re: *nix

" The first sentence of the first maxim in the list is, "Make each program do one thing well." The second sentence is "To do a new job, build afresh rather than complicate old programs by adding new 'features.'" Until recently, the *nix communities have st

Re: *nix

quot;Make each program do one > thing well." > > The second sentence is "To do a new job, build afresh rather than > complicate old programs by adding new 'features.'" > > Until recently, the *nix communities have stuck pretty well to these > recomm

*nix

complicate old programs by adding new 'features.'" Until recently, the *nix communities have stuck pretty well to these recommendations -- they're just descriptions of competent programming, after all. There may be some discussion over the definitions of "one thing" a

Re: *nix cert

* Andrew Cady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005 Dec 09 21:32 -0600]: > On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 07:01:50PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > LPI - then, potentially, RHCE if you can find someone to stump up for > > you once you've a proven track record. > > Do either of these actually mean anything to

Re: *nix cert

On Fri, 9 Dec 2005, Andrew Cady wrote: > On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 07:01:50PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > LPI - then, potentially, RHCE if you can find someone to stump up for > > you once you've a proven track record. > > Do either of these actually mean anything to anyone? if you me

Re: *nix cert

On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 07:01:50PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > LPI - then, potentially, RHCE if you can find someone to stump up for > you once you've a proven track record. Do either of these actually mean anything to anyone? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: *nix cert

Marc Shapiro wrote: > Alvin Oga wrote: >> - get a 4yr college degree ... $1200 for certs or a year of >> college tuition(?) > When was the last time YOU looked at the cost of college tuition? Then > there is the cost of textbooks. CS textbooks are not cheap. USD 1200 for 1 year worth of CS b

Re: *nix cert

Oh, I agree with getting a degree will put you much better off. If I didn't...I wouldn't be here ;-) On Dec 9, 2005, at 1:26 AM, Rogério Brito wrote: On Dec 08 2005, Justin Gallardo wrote: Haha, funny enough. I am currently a student at a four year, and a term of tuition, including my housing

Re: *nix cert

On Dec 08 2005, Justin Gallardo wrote: > Haha, funny enough. I am currently a student at a four year, and a > term of tuition, including my housing costs (3 terms a year) was > $4600, for in-state tuition. I would say that a few good certs would > be much more cost effective. Well, but a Com

Re: *nix cert

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, Justin Gallardo wrote: > Haha, funny enough. I am currently a student at a four year, and a > term of tuition, including my housing costs (3 terms a year) was > $4600, for in-state tuition. I would say that a few good certs would > be much more cost effective. costwize

Re: *nix cert

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, Tony Godshall wrote: > > > > > What cert would people recomend to do at home ? (This my own money > > > > > here so cant afford corporate rates) > > > LPI - then, potentially, RHCE if you can find someone to stump up for > > you once you've a proven track record. > > nic

Re: *nix cert

Haha, funny enough. I am currently a student at a four year, and a term of tuition, including my housing costs (3 terms a year) was $4600, for in-state tuition. I would say that a few good certs would be much more cost effective. On Dec 8, 2005, at 11:01 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Thu

Re: *nix cert

Alvin Oga wrote: - get a 4yr college degree ... $1200 for certs or a year of college tuition(?) When was the last time YOU looked at the cost of college tuition? Then there is the cost of textbooks. CS textbooks are not cheap. -- Marc Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, ema

Re: *nix cert

On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 01:14:55PM -0800, Tony Godshall wrote: > > > > > What cert would people recomend to do at home ? (This my own money > > > > > here so cant afford corporate rates) > > > LPI - then, potentially, RHCE if you can find someone to stump up for > > you once you've a proven tra

Re: *nix cert

> > > > What cert would people recomend to do at home ? (This my own money here > > > > so cant afford corporate rates) > LPI - then, potentially, RHCE if you can find someone to stump up for > you once you've a proven track record. nice tip, for a Debian list ;-/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email t

Re: *nix cert

On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 10:25:53AM +0100, arden wrote: > On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 02:01:58 -0800 (PST) > Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, arden wrote: > > > > > Slightly off topic sorry > > > > > > but Im trying to brake out of my hardware suppport role and into a m

Re: *nix cert

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, arden wrote: > I know I can do it been using linux at home for years no windoze boxes here, > need to prove it to closed minded Managers most hiring and managing managers knows .. "what you do at home" has nothing to do with "how you do stuff at work" there's a lot more t

Re: *nix cert

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 02:01:58 -0800 (PST) Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, arden wrote: > > > Slightly off topic sorry > > > > but Im trying to brake out of my hardware suppport role and into a more sys > > admin role > > > > My company will not support this so im

Re: *nix cert

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005, arden wrote: > Slightly off topic sorry > > but Im trying to brake out of my hardware suppport role and into a more sys > admin role > > My company will not support this so im doing this off my own back > > What cert would people recomend to do at home ? (This my own mo

*nix cert

Hi All Slightly off topic sorry but Im trying to brake out of my hardware suppport role and into a more sys admin role My company will not support this so im doing this off my own back What cert would people recomend to do at home ? (This my own money here so cant afford corporate rates)

Re: what *nix magazines do you read?

Randy W. Sims, Sat, May 01, 2004 at 02:55:34AM -0400: > What magazines (online & print) do you read to keep up with > linux/networking/administration, etc. ??? I'm wondering if I'm missing > any good sources. > > others? > I read ;login: (http://www.usenix.org/publications/login/), it is gene

Re: Q: Does an "on screen keyboard" exist for *nix?

on Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 03:08:53PM +0100, Andreas Maresch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Hallo there! > > I want to create a _very_ secure environment (in my case: an encrypted > disk to store all my passwords. The creation of a encrypted disk is > very easy. But i miss a secure way to enter the pa

Re: Q: Does an "on screen keyboard" exist for *nix?

Andreas Maresch writes: > The least expensive and easiest way to circumvent such key loggers would > be to display a keyboard on the screen (with a random key map, for the > case that the mouse events are logged) and enter your password via the > mouse. The simplest way would be to display all the

Re: Q: Does an "on screen keyboard" exist for *nix?

There has to be some, the Linux on handhelds uses on-screen keyboards. If you can't find a full program, you could goto handhelds.org and get the source from either familiar or intamate. And then just port it over Wayne On Wed, 2001-12-12 at 15:08, Andreas Maresch wrote: > Hallo there! > > I

Q: Does an "on screen keyboard" exist for *nix?

Hallo there! I want to create a _very_ secure environment (in my case: an encrypted disk to store all my passwords. The creation of a encrypted disk is very easy. But i miss a secure way to enter the password). Since key loggers become more and more common passwords typed in via keyboards are

Xerox 212 printer on Debian (*NIX, actually)?

Hello, folks, I'm stuck with a problem: there's this Xerox 212 printer I have to get working on a Debian server that just won't print PostScript. It prints normal (ASCII) text, but it refuses to print PostScript properly -- either by throwing raw PS code, or by refusing to print (depending on what

Re: nix für ungut: rofl

Dixit "Carsten Hohmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > du wirst dieses problem nicht sauber lösen können. die deutsche sprache > beisteht zwar auch aus formalen regeln, aber auch aus unmengen von > ausnahmen. > Wohingegen die Regeln fürs Quoten unter recht eindeutig beschrieben sin

Re: [OT] Cool *nix/GNU/FS/Perl/FSF/etc. Caps?

also sprach John Bacalle (on Thu, 08 Mar 2001 03:32:10AM -0500): > I've been over-wearing my This Old House cap for a year now, it's so > raggedy. =( I look like a gas station attendant. go to copycaps.com and make your own. it's pretty cheap when you order 4 or more. but that's not a problem sinc

Re: [OT] Cool *nix/GNU/FS/Perl/FSF/etc. Caps?

also sprach Forrest English (on Wed, 07 Mar 2001 01:43:55PM -0800): > there's also copyleft, i forget their address right now. but a quick > google for copyleft store should come up with stuff. this and thinkgeek.com - which is precisely what john didn't want. martin > > -- > Forrest English >

Re: [OT] Cool *nix/GNU/FS/Perl/FSF/etc. Caps?

On 07-Mar-2001 Forrest English wrote: > there's also copyleft, i forget their address right now. but a quick > google for copyleft store should come up with stuff. http://copyleft.net :) > > -- > Forrest English > http://truffula.net > > "When we have nothing left to give > There will be no r

Re: [OT] Cool *nix/GNU/FS/Perl/FSF/etc. Caps?

there's also copyleft, i forget their address right now. but a quick google for copyleft store should come up with stuff. -- Forrest English http://truffula.net "When we have nothing left to give There will be no reason for us to live But when we have nothing left to lose You will have nothing l

Re: [OT] Cool *nix/GNU/FS/Perl/FSF/etc. Caps?

On 07-Mar-2001 John Bacalle wrote: > * John Bacalle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20010305 18:30]: >> Is anyone aware of a good source to buy quality hats/caps for Free >> Software types? I would prefere a Debian/Copyleft design vendor but I >> can't find anything of *good quality*. > > No one has any goo

OT: A question for those lucky souls who have a job with *nix

What is the best way to present yourself when searching for a *nix job. This is what is on my resume. Any suggestions for better things to mention. Skills I might want to pick up etc. Yes I know this is not really what this list is for. If you don't like it please let me know and I won&#x

off-topic: sex a-la *NIX

Received from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rafal Polonski) # unzip ; strip ; touch ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; yes ; umount ; sleep :) Have a nice Easter... -- greetz... Arunas Norvaisa - little guy, The Masses Inc. PGP keys on keyservers: IDs: 0x4CE4774E (DSS/DH), 0xC90D7E21 PGP for idiots pa

nix MTA question

Never mind, I figured it out :) I just needed to use the 'B' option on the dpkg command line, and install the new MTA. Don't know why I couldn't figure that out before (too much pizza, probably) -- Nathan Norman MidcoNet - 410 South Phillips Avenue - Sioux Falls, SD 57104 phone: (605) 334-4454