On Mon, 2016-01-11 at 13:49 -0500, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
> On Mon, 2016-01-11 at 18:34 +0100, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> > On Sun, 2016-01-10 at 10:47 -0500, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I recently installed Debian Stretch, Gnome, on a laptop. I am
On Mon, 2016-01-11 at 18:34 +0100, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Sun, 2016-01-10 at 10:47 -0500, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I recently installed Debian Stretch, Gnome, on a laptop. I am
> > having
> > this problem that the gdm login screen is freezing on
On Mon, 2016-01-11 at 11:17 +0100, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Sun, 2016-01-10 at 10:47 -0500, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I recently installed Debian Stretch, Gnome, on a laptop. I am
> > having
> > this problem that the gdm login screen is freezing on
Hi,
I recently installed Debian Stretch, Gnome, on a laptop. I am having
this problem that the gdm login screen is freezing on first boot. I
can't move the mouse and only touchscreen works. If I reboot
everything works fine.
I guess this may be a bug related to Gnome. Is there any workaround
for
I want to update the thread; my computer clicked again (with a strange
beep noise) while shutting down. I am still using Debian Wheezy Xfce,
with gvfs removed. Thus, I can confirm that gvfs is not the real cause
of the problem.
The only applications open were VLC and my web browser. I am not s
On 22/10/13 05:06 AM, didier gaumet wrote:
Le 20/10/2013 14:47, Sureyya Sahin a écrit :
with the free radeon driver, my laptop is not particularly heating.
I have enabled compositing in XFCE and no Gnome/KDE desktop parts are
installed.
I have tried both default Gnome and Xfce with debian
On 21/10/13 04:04 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 15:50 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
Given that Debian Wheezy is very similar to (X)Ubuntu 12.04 Long Term,
how safe it is now to use Debian?
Using any distro is save. It's the chosen software that could be
dangerous.
Ho
On 21/10/13 01:48 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 18:28 +0200, Markus Falb wrote:
Likely gvfs caused unneeded spin ups and spin downs when you used Suse,
but you didn't hear a click noise, because the drive wasn't damaged at
this time. Now that you are using Debian, your drive alr
On 21/10/13 03:20 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 14:20 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
I never opened my laptop before and I don't have proper instructions
to replace it...
Replacing the drive is easy, but opening the laptop could be risky,
regarding to hidden pins, lock thi
On 21/10/13 01:58 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 13:11 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
2 years
Two years is relatively old and not relatively new. I had lots of drives
that failed after 2 years. My current drives are older than 5 years and
ok. However, I'm talking about int
On 21/10/13 12:28 PM, Markus Falb wrote:
If the hdparm -I tells you that APM is at 254, then *it is* at 254
The value of 35 that you are talking about is another value that has nothing to
do with it.
you refer to this line
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED
On 21/10/13 05:07 AM, Curt wrote:
On 2013-10-21, Bob Proulx wrote:
Sureyya Sahin wrote:
Just to update, the hdparm command gives me:
Advanced power management level: 254
I guess the value would be 254. I will try to set it permanently if I can.
Set it permanently to 254? Or to
On 21/10/13 10:48 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Mon, 2013-10-21 at 10:27 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
I just have one question though: If I use the hdparm method, will my
problems be fixed?
Test it.
OK but we are already testing gvfs. If this fixes would it be because we
removed gvfs or
On 21/10/13 09:18 AM, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
OK, I tried to report a bug on this issue using reportbug. But I am not
sure if I was successful. There was a warning that I skipped about exim4
thus I am not really sure if the email was sent to the reporting system.
Is there another way to send the
Take a look if Suse by default does use hdparm for this purpose. I doubt
this! There for sure is a reason that the HD's default is as it is.
The distros that do cause the issue on your machine has to be informed
about it. If nobody expiring this issue does report it to the distro's
bug tracker
On 21/10/13 06:01 AM, Curt wrote:
On 2013-10-21, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
The OP mentioned that using Suse there are no issues.
The OP mentioned that using Debian there are issues.
We don't know what does cause the issue.
We may never know.
We try to troubleshoot by checking what software migh
Is this a laptop? I guess it is.
The firmware in your harddisk is parking it's head and you hear it click (or
maybe it clicks when it is waking up).
You can set the APM level for the disk with hdparm or smartctl
try to get the current value like that
# smartctl -g apm /dev/sda
or with
# h
On 20/10/13 08:39 PM, Markus Falb wrote:
On 19.Okt.2013, at 23:50, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
On 19/10/13 05:44 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 05:30:41PM -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
Ok, I entered the command as root (not working as a regular user)
and get this edited version
On 20/10/13 07:54 PM, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
I don't know what your exact needs are, but there are very simple ways
to mount USB drives, such as pmount.
Celejar
Ideally, what I am looking for is a file manager which has a trash icon
and has facilities for managing usb devices. I hav
I don't know what your exact needs are, but there are very simple ways
to mount USB drives, such as pmount.
Celejar
Ideally, what I am looking for is a file manager which has a trash icon
and has facilities for managing usb devices. I have the additional
constraint that it shouldn't use gvfs
On 20/10/13 04:26 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 22:21 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 13:03 -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 09:37:12PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I don't know, but if it's running as a daemon it likely does write a log
file
OK, I will try to set it up manually by myself instead of relying on the
startup daemon.
S. Sahin
I have one more question: Since I removed gvfs and Thunar is somewhat
not functional, I am considering to replace it completely with PcManFM
from lxde. Would it be possible to mount usb devices
On 20/10/13 04:28 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 22:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 22:21 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 13:03 -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote:
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 09:37:12PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I don't know, but if
I don't know, but if it's running as a daemon it likely does write a log
file. The Internet is your friend, I can't continue now, perhaps I can
try to help again tomorrow.
OK then, I will have a look at the program from the internet and get a
bit more familiar with it. If I hear the sounds a
On 20/10/13 03:28 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 15:17 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
On 20/10/13 03:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 14:49 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
Because I have separate / and /home partitions, should I check both of
them or just the
On 20/10/13 03:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 14:49 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
Because I have separate / and /home partitions, should I check both of
them or just the / partition?
Just check the HDD, not a partition.
e.g.
sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda
or
sudo smartctl -a
On 20/10/13 02:59 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 14:39 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
I will try to compile hamster and qalculate from sources. If I can't,
probably I will reinstall them as well.
You don't need to compile them, you can install the binaries.
Given th
On 20/10/13 02:35 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Before you continue, boot into a live Linux from CD or DVD and backup
your Debian.
As root
cd /mountpoint/of/debian
tar czf /mountpoint/for/backup/debian_backup.bak.tar.gz *
If the root directory should contain .dot_files
tar czf /mountpoint/for/bac
On 20/10/13 02:15 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 14:00 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
OK, based on your guidance, I build the package, installed and rebooted
A reboot was unnecessary. There are just a few exceptions, when a reboot
is useful/needed or at least to log out and in
On 20/10/13 02:31 PM, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
On 20/10/13 01:49 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 13:06 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
After I removed gvfs, I realize my trash icon from my desktop and thunar
are gone. Is there any way that I can get it back?
No, trash needs gvfs
On 20/10/13 01:49 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 13:06 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
After I removed gvfs, I realize my trash icon from my desktop and thunar
are gone. Is there any way that I can get it back?
No, trash needs gvfs, even a dummy package won't bring it
On 20/10/13 01:38 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 12:58 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
I can't understand how to use equivs facility. How can I build a dummy
gvfs package using equivs?
$ equivs-control gvfs
Then edit the generated file with an editor, I guess you only ha
On 20/10/13 12:58 PM, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
Ok I first remove the gvfs:
# apt-get remove --purge gvfs
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer
required:
libcln6
Ok I first remove the gvfs:
# apt-get remove --purge gvfs
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer
required:
libcln6 libqalculate5 libqalculate5-data qalc
Use 'apt-get autorem
One step after the other. First I would test everything that directly
has access to the drive. GVFS definitively "touchs" HDDs without a good
reason from time to time. What to do assumed it is or it is not the
culprit is the next step. I wouldn't waste my time with the question
about all possib
On 20/10/13 11:03 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 10:47 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
This is the output from
$ps -eF
[snip]
It likely isn't caused by GVFS, but for testing purpose I anyway would
remove GVFS. Assumed there should be a hard dependency to GVFS, then for
te
On 20/10/13 10:18 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 09:33 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
I am busy and I have limited time to build everything from scratch.
You don't need to do that, but unfortunately sometimes it's needed to
set up everything yourself, even for distro
On 20/10/13 10:18 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 09:33 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
I am busy and I have limited time to build everything from scratch.
You don't need to do that, but unfortunately sometimes it's needed to
set up everything yourself, even for distro
On 20/10/13 10:18 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 09:33 -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
I am busy and I have limited time to build everything from scratch.
You don't need to do that, but unfortunately sometimes it's needed to
set up everything yourself, even for distro
I am glad that you gave up this Arch nonsense.
I installed Debian using a net-install from a usb device. After initial
screen, I press TAB key to change the default desktop to XFCE and went
with the ncurses based installation steps...
I forgot to mention that I used ethernet interface since my
On 20/10/13 09:30 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Okay, lets not talk about Arch, but try to solve your issues
with
Debian. Sure, for Arch you need to setup _everything_ yourself.
Manjaro isn't Arch. Manjaro is Manjaro.
I am glad that you gave up this Arch nonsense
Upstream add pulseaudio as an insane hard dependency to GNOME, Xfce
doesn't. This has nothing to do with Debian. Pulseaudio might provide
something useful for some usages, but it's not needed just to get sound,
since it does use ALSA, it's just a layer. Pulseaudio not always is fine
with the infor
On 20/10/13 06:20 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Sun, 2013-10-20 at 10:09 +, Curt wrote:
On 2013-10-20, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I would take a look what services are started and stopped by init and
remove crappy software. You e.g. won't find GVFS on my Linux install.
However GVFS shouldn't caus
Since the OP mentioned that Arch isn't stable on his machine, I suspect
that there might be some very exotic hardware involved or that the OP
misconfigured something and for some reasons Debian and Arch are more
sensible regarding to this misonfiguration, than Suse is.
Since the OP installed Arch
On 20/10/13 04:10 AM, didier gaumet wrote:
My Pavilion DM1 has a ATA TOSHIBA MQ01ABD0 (scsi) 750GB hard disk and a
Ralink RT3290 bluetooth/wireless chip. Graphic chipset is the same as yours.
I have never noted a noise (click) other than the beep during shutdown.
Lucky you, I guess mine is pre
Ok, according to what you posted, it looks to me like your drive is in
very good shape. If you're hearing clicks now that you didn't hear
before, I'd say it's not because the drive is going bad. They're
probably caused by something else, but I have no clue what. If you're
concerned that the drive
https://www.archlinux.org/
Absolutely in sync with upstream and more stable than Debian :p, but you
have to set up Arch yourself. The install is without X, so without a DE.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat /etc/issue
Arch Linux \r (\l)
Thank you for the suggestion. I tried both Arch linux and
On 19/10/13 05:44 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 05:30:41PM -0400, Sureyya Sahin wrote:
Ok, I entered the command as root (not working as a regular user)
and get this edited version (to keep my message short) of
information:
All your edited version tells us is what drive
Debian is stable because it goes through a long period of ensuring that
the individual programs are stable before each version is released. This
means that it is generally old when it is released. Some other
distributions don't go through the same amount of stabilizing so they
can be more up to
From the command-line, you probably want something along the lines of:
smartctl -a /dev/sda |more
Greg
Ok, I entered the command as root (not working as a regular user) and
get this edited version (to keep my message short) of information:
# smartctl -a /dev/sda | more
smartctl 5.41 2011-
The clicks could be caused by the HDD resetting the heads following an
I/O failure. If the clicks are from the HDD then they won't go away with
another OS.
I didn't have the same problems with Fedora and opensuse in the past. I
briefly tried Manjaro and it was working fine too. The problem I am
On 19/10/13 04:46 PM, John Hasler wrote:
Sureyya Sahin writes:
Okay I installed the tools, it seems like it installed the daemon and
the gui. But I can't see the gui from the applications menu in
xfce. It's strange because it says that it's a gtk gui in the package
description
On 19/10/13 02:51 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
A multi-boot to test a few distros can't harm, however, they all use
Linux and user space from upstream, just the versions differ, some
settings differ, the structure differs, e.g. for startup some use init
others systemd and Ubuntu upstart, so solving
Sometimes I wonder if the piezoelectric disk beeper makes such noise or
if there's a mechanical relay I never noticed for power. If not, than
the HDDs make the sound. I'm quiet sure the noise is caused by the HDDs
only and not by anything else.
If you hear the click sometimes, than it's ok, this
No need for that. Install smartmontools. Add smart-notifier if you
feel the need for a GUI.
Okay I installed the tools, it seems like it installed the daemon and
the gui. But I can't see the gui from the applications menu in xfce.
It's strange because it says that it's a gtk gui in the pac
1) The clicking sound could also be the hard drive. Check the SMART
health for it.
2) You can get later open-source drivers by switching the Debian/Jessie.
The current state of Testing is a 3.10 kernel but the proprietary
drivers aren't available for it yet.
You can also try switching to another
Hello:
I recently installed Debian Wheezy stable with xfce desktop; I am having
problems with my hardware.
1. When I shut down my computer, sometimes I am hearing mechanical click
sounds from my laptop during the shutdown process. I suspect that it may
be related to soundcards; hp dm1 has an
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