Re: Please, don't let sudo be auto-removable

On Thu 31 Jul 2025 at 19:07:30 (+), Andy Smith wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 08:01:56PM +0200, Jan Claeys wrote: > > On Wed, 2025-07-30 at 19:55 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > > > There's an argument that sudo should refuse to uninstall itself (e.g. > > > in a prerm script) if the root user do

Re: transferring boot

On 01/08/2025 00:18, Eben King wrote: I want the SSD to boot using UEFI.  Is that possible, and if so, what's the best method to go about it? I recommend to install new (minimal) system on a SSD just to have some experience with UEFI. Try efibootmgr, inspect files on EFI System Partition. Aft

Re: Please, don't let sudo be auto-removable

On 01/08/2025 02:07, Andy Smith wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 08:01:56PM +0200, Jan Claeys wrote: On Wed, 2025-07-30 at 19:55 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: There's an argument that sudo should refuse to uninstall itself (e.g. in a prerm script) if the root user doesn't have a password at all. Tha

Re: transferring boot

Hi, On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 02:31:44PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > I would: > > 1. Backup the computer and the NAS. > > 2. Move as much data as possible from /dev/sdb HDD to the NAS. Leave home > directory login, profile, desktop environment, app configuration/ profile, > etc. files loc

Re: Prospective New Laptop

Not the same model but I have the Asus ROG Zephyrus G16 and it runs beautifully with all its esoteric hardware supported under Debian 13 Trixie. J — John Dow Written by a human. > On 31 Jul 2025, at 18:12, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: > > Hello All, > > I'm being tempted by an ASUS laptop -

Re: transferring boot

On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 13:18:07 -0400 Eben King wrote: > I recently got some SSDs, and decided to use one of them (a 256G > model) to boot from. I want the change to be undetectable, in that > from a user perspective, nothing seems different, just faster. > > I currently have a 2T HD, partitioned

Re: transferring boot

On 7/31/25 17:31, David Christensen wrote: On 7/31/25 10:18, Eben King wrote: I recently got some SSDs, and decided to use one of them (a 256G model) to boot from.  I want the change to be undetectable, in that from a user perspective, nothing seems different, just faster. I would: ..

Re: Prospective New Laptop

On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 03:48:47PM -0600, Charles Curley wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 18:04:30 +0100 > Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > I'm being tempted by an ASUS laptop - ASUS-Vivobook-M3407HA - and I'm > > wondering if anyone has experience with Debian and this product? I

Re: Prospective New Laptop

On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 18:04:30 +0100 Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: > Hello All, > > I'm being tempted by an ASUS laptop - ASUS-Vivobook-M3407HA - and I'm > wondering if anyone has experience with Debian and this product? It > is supplied with Windows 11 pre-installed and I look forward to > eliminat

Re: transferring boot

On 7/31/25 10:18, Eben King wrote: I recently got some SSDs, and decided to use one of them (a 256G model) to boot from.  I want the change to be undetectable, in that from a user perspective, nothing seems different, just faster. I currently have a 2T HD, partitioned with GPT but booting by M

Re: transferring boot

Detlef Vollmann (HE12025-07-31): > It's just copying the root partition from the HD to the SSD. Yes, how? Please be specific, because in the process of trying to be specific you will realize you are wrong. > (which requires to create the target partition first) You see, you do not have t

Re: transferring boot

> On 7/31/25 14:53, Andy Smith wrote: I do not have Andy's mail, so I am relying to this one. > > 1. From single user mode or a live environment (even the "rescue" mode > > from the Debain install medium) rsync the contents of /, /boot and > > /usr to the single sda1 partition. What? Abs

Re: transferring boot

On 7/31/25 21:27, Nicolas George wrote: Detlef Vollmann (HE12025-07-31): I would go for the first option (dd) That will not work. At least not with a lot lot more details. That would work to copy the whole system to a larger drive. For this setup it is a terrible idea. What are you talking a

Re: transferring boot

Detlef Vollmann composed on 2025-07-31 20:49 (UTC+0200): > Why do you want to switch to UEFI? One reason is a form of future-proofing. Increasingly, computers are being made without legacy boot support. If a PC goes poof without taking the storage along down, one used to expect to be able to mov

Re: [OT] direct knowledge of mercury delay line memory (was: Re: serial console)

On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 01:13:47PM -0700, Michael Paoli wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 10:32 AM Alain D D Williams wrote: > > I do not know anyone who has direct knowledge of mercury delay line memory > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delay-line_memory > > I think my dad still does. > I believe

Re: transferring boot

On 7/31/25 14:49, Detlef Vollmann wrote: On 7/31/25 19:18, Eben King wrote: I recently got some SSDs, and decided to use one of them (a 256G model) to boot from.  I want the change to be undetectable, in that from a user perspective, nothing seems different, just faster. I currently have a 2T

[OT] direct knowledge of mercury delay line memory (was: Re: serial console)

On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 10:32 AM Alain D D Williams wrote: > I do not know anyone who has direct knowledge of mercury delay line memory > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delay-line_memory I think my dad still does. I believe some of the first computers he used had mercury delay line memory. He's 90

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Re: Prospective New Laptop

On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 20:58:49 +0200 Geert Stappers wrote: > On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 06:04:30PM +0100, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > I'm being tempted by an ASUS laptop - ASUS-Vivobook-M3407HA - and > > I'm wondering if anyone has experience with Debian and this > > product? It

Re: transferring boot

On 7/31/25 14:53, Andy Smith wrote: Hi Eben, [2TB HDD booting MBR to 256G SSD booting UEFI] On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 01:41:19PM -0400, Eben King wrote: eben@cerberus:~$ lsblk NAMEMAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINTS sda 8:00 238.5G 0 disk └─sda18:10 238.5G 0 part sdb

Re: transferring boot

Nicolas George (HE12025-07-31): > That would work to copy the whole system to a larger drive. Rectification: not even that, as the secondary GPT would not be at the right place. It works only for an identical drive. Regards, -- Nicolas George

Re: transferring boot

Detlef Vollmann (HE12025-07-31): > I would go for the first option (dd) That will not work. At least not with a lot lot more details. That would work to copy the whole system to a larger drive. For this setup it is a terrible idea. Regards, -- Nicolas George

Re: transferring boot

Eben King (HE12025-07-31): > eben@cerberus:~$ lsblk > NAMEMAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINTS > sda 8:00 238.5G 0 disk > └─sda18:10 238.5G 0 part > sdb 8:16 0 1.8T 0 disk > ├─sdb18:17 0 953M 0 part /boot > ├─sdb28:18 0 2G 0 part / > ├─sdb3

Re: transferring boot

On 7/31/25 14:37, Titus Newswanger wrote: On 7/31/25 12:41, Eben King wrote: No idea what sdd is Might it be an SD card/CF card slot with no media inserted? One of mine does that. Reasonable guess. I've seen that behavior before, possibly on a laptop. As you see the DVD drive does that

Re: Please, don't let sudo be auto-removable

Hi, On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 08:01:56PM +0200, Jan Claeys wrote: > On Wed, 2025-07-30 at 19:55 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > > There's an argument that sudo should refuse to uninstall itself (e.g. > > in a prerm script) if the root user doesn't have a password at all. > > That would be a neat trick.

Re: Prospective New Laptop

On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 06:04:30PM +0100, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: > Hello All, > > I'm being tempted by an ASUS laptop - ASUS-Vivobook-M3407HA - and I'm > wondering if anyone has experience with Debian and this product? It is > supplied with Windows 11 pre-installed and I look forward to elimin

Re: transferring boot

Hi Eben, [2TB HDD booting MBR to 256G SSD booting UEFI] On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 01:41:19PM -0400, Eben King wrote: > eben@cerberus:~$ lsblk > NAMEMAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINTS > sda 8:00 238.5G 0 disk > └─sda18:10 238.5G 0 part > sdb 8:16 0 1.8T 0 disk >

Re: transferring boot

On 7/31/25 19:18, Eben King wrote: I recently got some SSDs, and decided to use one of them (a 256G model) to boot from.  I want the change to be undetectable, in that from a user perspective, nothing seems different, just faster. I currently have a 2T HD, partitioned with GPT but booting by M

Re: transferring boot

On 7/31/25 12:41, Eben King wrote: No idea what sdd is Might it be an SD card/CF card slot with no media inserted? One of mine does that. -- Titus Newswanger Curtiss WI

Re: Please, don't let sudo be auto-removable

Jan Claeys (HE12025-07-31): > There are many other tools that allow you to run things as root under > certain conditions (doas, pkexec, runc, ssh, etc.). There is no way > sudo's prerm script can check all possible ways (which would also > include being able to "understand" all possible configurat

Re: Please, don't let sudo be auto-removable

On Wed, 2025-07-30 at 19:55 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > There's an argument that sudo should refuse to uninstall itself (e.g. > in a prerm script) if the root user doesn't have a password at all. > That would be a neat trick. There are many other tools that allow you to run things as root under c

Re: transferring boot

On 7/31/25 13:21, Nicolas George wrote: Eben King (HE12025-07-31): I recently got some SSDs, and decided to use one of them (a 256G model) to boot from. I want the change to be undetectable, in that from a user perspective, nothing seems different, just faster. I currently have a 2T HD, par

Re: Suggestion for Improving Debian Workstation Builds

On Wed, 2025-07-30 at 18:00 +0100, Joe wrote: > I always install the Telnet client, for quick and dirty > troubleshooting, but rarely use it. You should not (ab)use a telnet client for anything but to connect to something that implements the telnet protocol (which is rare these days). If you want

Re: serial console

On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 01:58:35PM +0100, John Dow wrote: > It worries me that knowledge of these things (and UARTs and character vs > block devices and any number of other things) is likely to die out with us > old farts :) I do not know anyone who has direct knowledge of mercury delay line me

Re: serial console

On Thursday 31 July 2025 08:58:35 am John Dow wrote: > It worries me that knowledge of these things (and UARTs and character vs > block devices and any number of other things) is likely to die out with us > old farts :) > That's why I still have the books that talk about all of that stuff...

Re: transferring boot

Eben King (HE12025-07-31): > I recently got some SSDs, and decided to use one of them (a 256G model) to > boot from. I want the change to be undetectable, in that from a user > perspective, nothing seems different, just faster. > > I currently have a 2T HD, partitioned with GPT but booting by MBR

transferring boot

I recently got some SSDs, and decided to use one of them (a 256G model) to boot from. I want the change to be undetectable, in that from a user perspective, nothing seems different, just faster. I currently have a 2T HD, partitioned with GPT but booting by MBR. Yes, that's probably weird. W

Prospective New Laptop

Hello All, I'm being tempted by an ASUS laptop - ASUS-Vivobook-M3407HA - and I'm wondering if anyone has experience with Debian and this product? It is supplied with Windows 11 pre-installed and I look forward to eliminating that infection, if Debian is practical. Many thanks in advance. Pe

Re: serial console

On 7/31/25 9:39 AM, John Hasler wrote: Minicomputers often did not have physical consoles: everything was done via serial ports. When there were multiple serial ports IIRC one of them was identified as the console. And IBM Midrange Systems, from the S/34 on, used EBCDIC-based terminals, usin

[Off topic] Re: serial console

Dan writes: > On the radio side (yet another too expensive hobby, BTW), it's the old > farts going "why would you want to try building something when you can > just buy a $20 radio that just mostly works?" As an older fart I recall it as younger "appliance operators" saying that. -- John Hasler

Re: serial console

Greg writes: > I think the term "serial console" came into vogue around the time > Linux and the BSDs started to be used on personal computers. Minicomputers often did not have physical consoles: everything was done via serial ports. When there were multiple serial ports IIRC one of them was iden

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Re: serial console

On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 8:19 AM Dan Purgert wrote: > > On Jul 31, 2025, mick.crane wrote: > > I've never really known what a serial console is. > > Say in relation to a Raspberry Pi or Arduino > > Skipping a *LOT* of history (and linguistics, etc), a "serial console" > is a "console" (user interfa

Re: serial console

> On 31 Jul 2025, at 14:40, Dan Purgert wrote: > > Depends a little bit. On the radio side (yet another too expensive > hobby, BTW), it's the old farts going "why would you want to try > building something when you can just buy a $20 radio that just mostly > works?" (well, you see, /Richard/[1

Re: serial console

On Jul 31, 2025, John Dow wrote: > > > On 31 Jul 2025, at 13:45, Dan Purgert wrote: > > > > On Jul 31, 2025, mick.crane wrote: > >> I've never really known what a serial console is. > >> Say in relation to a Raspberry Pi or Arduino > > > > Skipping a *LOT* of history (and linguistics, etc), a "

Re: serial console

Greg Wooledge (HE12025-07-31): > I think the term "serial console" came into vogue around the time > Linux and the BSDs started to be used on personal computers. This is my understanding too. > Administratively, the console often has special privileges. It shows > messages during system boot, an

Re: serial console

On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 08:45:19 -0400, Dan Purgert wrote: > On Jul 31, 2025, mick.crane wrote: > > I assumed a serial console was a device with a screen and keyboard. > > If you're thinking of things like the VT-100; I believe that the > physical device would be referred to as a "Terminal" (which

Re: serial console

> On 31 Jul 2025, at 13:45, Dan Purgert wrote: > > On Jul 31, 2025, mick.crane wrote: >> I've never really known what a serial console is. >> Say in relation to a Raspberry Pi or Arduino > > Skipping a *LOT* of history (and linguistics, etc), a "serial console" > is a "console" (user interface)

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Re: serial console

On Jul 31, 2025, mick.crane wrote: > I've never really known what a serial console is. > Say in relation to a Raspberry Pi or Arduino Skipping a *LOT* of history (and linguistics, etc), a "serial console" is a "console" (user interface) provided remotely to the device in question over a serial com

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Re: serial console

On 2025-07-31, Karen Lewellen wrote: > I will add that for some users with a hardware tool the serial console > provided > access to adaptive technology programs of many types. We'll have to tell Gene about this. > Karen > > > >

Re: Please, don't let sudo be auto-removable

I read the first few replies on this thread and (a common feeling reading Debian User) felt utter despair. Until I got to your messages, at least. Thank you for writing constructive, thoughtful advice. -- Please do not CC me for listmail. Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org https://jmtd.net

Re: Please, don't let sudo be auto-removable

Greg Wooledge (HE12025-07-31): > If you look at > more closely, you'll see that they are not sorted alphabetically. Indeed, but it is not what José saw when removing the package, it is what he saw later to find out what happened. The con

Re: Please, don't let sudo be auto-removable

On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 11:16:38 +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > Lee (HE12025-07-30): > > It would be helpful if autoremove SORTED the list of packages to be > > removed so that other, important packages, wouldn't be hidden among > > all the python3-whatever packages. > > Oh, yes, excellent idea, l

Re: serial console

First the serial, in this context generally refers to EIA RS-232C serial interface, or at least something more-or-less compatible with that (most notably electrically). Per standard, this would be DB-25 M for DTE (Data Terminal Equipment - e.g. the terminal itself), and F for DCE (Data Communicati

Re: serial console

On 31/7/25 16:41, Joe wrote: RS-485 and RS-422 use cables with a specified impedance, unlike RS-232, so can work over much longer distances and/or at higher speeds. I've had RS-485 working over a kilometre of cable at 9600 Baud. RS-232/V-24 is only really reliable over about twenty metres at it

Re: Console screen resolution / font during initramfs

Detlef Vollmann (HE12025-07-31): > 3:2 is there and is actually become more popular these days > with business oriented notebooks. What we really need are monitor with 1.4142135623730950488016887242096980786 and 1.6180339887498948482045868343656381177 aspect ratio. Regards, -- Nicolas George

Re: Console screen resolution / font during initramfs

On 7/30/25 22:23, Felix Miata wrote: Absence from inclusion in standards, such as on: 1.5:1 and 15:10 are simply not there. 3:2 is there and is actually become more popular these days with business oriented notebooks. Detlef

Re: Please, don't let sudo be auto-removable

Lee (HE12025-07-30): > It would be helpful if autoremove SORTED the list of packages to be > removed so that other, important packages, wouldn't be hidden among > all the python3-whatever packages. Oh, yes, excellent idea, let it use an unpredictable order rather than that boring alphabetical orde

Re: serial console

On Thu, 31 Jul 2025 09:49:37 +0800 jeremy ardley wrote: > On 31/7/25 08:08, Steve Dondley wrote: > > > >> On Jul 30, 2025, at 7:59 PM, mick.crane > >> wrote: > >> > >> I've never really known what a serial console is. > >> Say in relation to a Raspberry Pi or Arduino > >> I assumed a serial co