Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

2023-03-29 Thread Emanuel Berg
coreyh wrote: > Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library? You mean, a GUI editor or IDE to write CLI/TUI software? Interesting question ... Emacs Gnus, maybe? https://dataswamp.org/~incal/figures/gnus/gnus-gmane.png -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal

Re: what's the right way to resolve localhost's IPs

2023-03-29 Thread Emanuel Berg
fh wrote: > In my shell script, how to get the localhost's IPs (eth0 and > eth1) correctly? I know I can run 'ifconfig' and grep etc, > but it's maybe not that graceful. Here is what I do, now idea if it's a good idea but maybe it can help: #! /bin/zsh # # this file: # https://dataswamp.org/~i

rtorrent man page, Jari "Rakshasa" Sundell mail bounces

2023-03-29 Thread Emanuel Berg
FYI the man page for rtorrent, from 2015-02-25, has this part AUTHORS Jari "Rakshasa" Sundell I tried to mail him but that mail bounces, apparently it's an alias which expands into ja...@student.matnat.uio.no but it's a "Gone", 550. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~i

Re: Unable to open Thunderbird as default calendar app

2023-03-29 Thread Max Nikulin
On 30/03/2023 08:01, John Boxall wrote: "xdg-mime query default x-scheme-handler/webcal org.gnome.Evolution.desktop" To express it explicitly: handling of "text/calendar" .ics files and webcal: (webcals:) URI schemes are configured independently. From your original message it was unclear

Re: Unable to open Thunderbird as default calendar app

2023-03-29 Thread John Boxall
On 2023-03-29 00:21, Max Nikulin wrote: Your description is too general, it lacks details. E.g. you did not provide exact commands and their output that you use to check that defaults are set properly. Max, though I queried several of the mime types (via "xdg-mime query default *), the on

Re: Where has the Gnome hot corner setting gone?

2023-03-29 Thread Richmond
Richmond wrote: > Cindy Sue Causey writes: > >> On 3/29/23, Richmond wrote: >>> I thought I had disabled hot corners, but occasionally, if I select and >>> swipe in the location bar of my browser, it activates hot corner. When I >>> went back to check the setting which was in "multitasking" befor

Re: [Bookworm] installer stops due to missing wifi firmware

2023-03-29 Thread Steve McIntyre
sulfur...@gmail.com wrote >-=-=-=-=-=- > >Hello > >I'm trying to install Bookworm on a G513QY laptop with MT7921 wifi adapter. > >As soon as the installer (Net or DVD) tries to detect the HW, the installer >stops blank. > >The last thing I see in dmesg is something like >Detected ethernet HW, renam

Re: Where has the Gnome hot corner setting gone?

2023-03-29 Thread Richmond
Cindy Sue Causey writes: > On 3/29/23, Richmond wrote: >> I thought I had disabled hot corners, but occasionally, if I select and >> swipe in the location bar of my browser, it activates hot corner. When I >> went back to check the setting which was in "multitasking" before, that >> tab has gone

Re: [Bookworm] installer stops due to missing wifi firmware

2023-03-29 Thread Ismael Farfán
El mié, 29 mar 2023 a la(s) 13:59, Steve McIntyre (st...@einval.com) escribió: > sulfur...@gmail.com wrote > >-=-=-=-=-=- > > > >Hello > > > >I'm trying to install Bookworm on a G513QY laptop with MT7921 wifi > adapter. > > > >As soon as the installer (Net or DVD) tries to detect the HW, the > ins

Re: Where has the Gnome hot corner setting gone?

2023-03-29 Thread Cindy Sue Causey
On 3/29/23, Richmond wrote: > I thought I had disabled hot corners, but occasionally, if I select and > swipe in the location bar of my browser, it activates hot corner. When I > went back to check the setting which was in "multitasking" before, that > tab has gone. Where is the hot corner setting

Re: [Bookworm] installer stops due to missing wifi firmware

2023-03-29 Thread David Wright
On Wed 29 Mar 2023 at 09:39:01 (-0600), Ismael Farfán wrote: > I tried with these 2 installers: > 7da925a34f6f7ab6e39ad64514139afb debian-bookworm-DI-alpha2-amd64-DVD-1.iso > 547c0e2f85ec04ffec6d08a1e84c64e6 > debian-bookworm-DI-alpha2-amd64-netinst.iso > > both contain firmware-misc-nonfree_202

Where has the Gnome hot corner setting gone?

2023-03-29 Thread Richmond
I thought I had disabled hot corners, but occasionally, if I select and swipe in the location bar of my browser, it activates hot corner. When I went back to check the setting which was in "multitasking" before, that tab has gone. Where is the hot corner setting now?

Re: [Bookworm] installer stops due to missing wifi firmware

2023-03-29 Thread Jude DaShiell
When the installation starts up, hit the < key until a numbered menu comes up. A default will be on the menu don't take the default yet. Choose 19 which should be change priority and choose 4 in tha t low priority messages. When you get back out to the menu choose 21 save logs and choose save lo

Re: [Bookworm] installer stops due to missing wifi firmware

2023-03-29 Thread Ismael Farfán
El mié, 29 mar 2023 a la(s) 10:33, Jude DaShiell (jdash...@panix.com) escribió: > Could it be Debian hasn't got your firmware in any of its installations? > That points at very new firmware. > > The issue is that the installation should continue anyway and get packages from the DVD, instead the in

Re: [Bookworm] installer stops due to missing wifi firmware

2023-03-29 Thread Jude DaShiell
Could it be Debian hasn't got your firmware in any of its installations? That points at very new firmware. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Wed, 29 Mar 2023, Ismael Farfán wrote: > I

Re: alternative views of PNG (was Re: Buster => Bullseye: packages keptback)

2023-03-29 Thread Charlie Gibbs
On Wed Mar 29 08:56:04 2023 davidson wrote: > If I wrote an essay about the undignified interfaces I have no time > for, I would call it "Of Mice and Menus". If I write my essay first, I might have to steal that (properly attributed, of course). > People want to waste their time. If you get

Re: [Bookworm] installer stops due to missing wifi firmware

2023-03-29 Thread Ismael Farfán
I tried with these 2 installers: 7da925a34f6f7ab6e39ad64514139afb debian-bookworm-DI-alpha2-amd64-DVD-1.iso 547c0e2f85ec04ffec6d08a1e84c64e6 debian-bookworm-DI-alpha2-amd64-netinst.iso both contain firmware-misc-nonfree_20230117-2_all.deb which is, I guess, where it's trying to load the firmware

Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

2023-03-29 Thread Nicolas George
The Wanderer (12023-03-29): > I think it's plausible/probable that it's not so much about the format > itself, but about the data/meaning/information attached to that format. > > Text has much more *nuance* and *detail* attached to it than any > non-text-based programming structure I've ever run a

Re: [Bookworm] installer stops due to missing wifi firmware

2023-03-29 Thread David Wright
On Tue 28 Mar 2023 at 12:57:28 (-0600), Ismael Farfán wrote: > > I'm trying to install Bookworm on a G513QY laptop with MT7921 wifi adapter. > > As soon as the installer (Net or DVD) tries to detect the HW, the installer > stops blank. > > The last thing I see in dmesg is something like > Detect

Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

2023-03-29 Thread Nicolas George
Erwan David (12023-03-29): > and do not forget that CLI is what we use in degraded conditions, eg when > there is no way to get graphics and colors (text, or virtualisation solution here> console) > > So we must not depend on graphical capacities to be available I do not think this is a good arg

Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

2023-03-29 Thread The Wanderer
On 2023-03-29 at 10:09, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 09:51:13AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >>> I think you are being too harsh here. Such a question may come >>> genuinely from someone who hasn't experienced the power of the >>> CLI, which, once you've taken the firs st

Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

2023-03-29 Thread Erwan David
Le 29/03/2023 à 16:24, Nicolas George a écrit : to...@tuxteam.de (12023-03-29): Perhaps roughly 3k to 4k years of storing, transmitting and retrieving information in written form have a part in it. It may be a social convention, but by now it runs so deep that I'm convinced you'll find epigenet

Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

2023-03-29 Thread Nicolas George
to...@tuxteam.de (12023-03-29): > Perhaps roughly 3k to 4k years of storing, transmitting and retrieving > information in written form have a part in it. > > It may be a social convention, but by now it runs so deep that I'm > convinced you'll find epigenetic traces of it in us humans. Or perhaps

Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

2023-03-29 Thread tomas
On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 09:51:13AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > I think you are being too harsh here. Such a question may come > > genuinely from someone who hasn't experienced the power of the > > CLI, which, once you've taken the firs step gently takes you > > to small one-liners, little loop

Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

2023-03-29 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I think you are being too harsh here. Such a question may come > genuinely from someone who hasn't experienced the power of the > CLI, which, once you've taken the firs step gently takes you > to small one-liners, little loops and bigger and bigger programs. > > It has this seamless "growth path"

Re: gradle wants openjdk-11 even if a newer version is installed? ...

2023-03-29 Thread Dan Ritter
Albretch Mueller wrote: > On 3/29/23, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > > As others have pointed out, apt-get doesn't work like that. It seems to > > me that the gradle package is wrong in having java as a dependency, > > since the need can be resolved at run-time rather than install time, > >

Re: debian 11 vs ubuntu 22

2023-03-29 Thread Bret Busby
On 29/3/23 13:02, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 10:05:28AM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: cor...@free.fr writes: Dear list, Though I have been using debian 11 for long days, I want to give a try on ubuntu 22.04. Do you know what's the main difference for these two systems on

Re: gradle wants openjdk-11 even if a newer version is installed? ...

2023-03-29 Thread Albretch Mueller
On 3/29/23, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > As others have pointed out, apt-get doesn't work like that. It seems to > me that the gradle package is wrong in having java as a dependency, > since the need can be resolved at run-time rather than install time, > and by a dynamic link. So bug repor

Re: gradle wants openjdk-11 even if a newer version is installed? ...

2023-03-29 Thread Nicolas George
debian-u...@howorth.org.uk (12023-03-29): > As others have pointed out, apt-get doesn't work like that. It seems to > me that the gradle package is wrong in having java as a dependency, > since the need can be resolved at run-time rather than install time, > and by a dynamic link. So bug report the

Re: gradle wants openjdk-11 even if a newer version is installed? ...

2023-03-29 Thread debian-user
Albretch Mueller wrote: > OK this is what the gradle folks told me/us: > > > https://discuss.gradle.org/t/gradle-wants-as-java-version-openjdk-11-even-if-a-newer-version-is-installed/45254/6 > > Gradle itself would just use the Java from your JAVA_HOME or as > fallback from PATH (given you u

Re: debian 11 vs ubuntu 22

2023-03-29 Thread Bret Busby
On 29/3/23 08:49, cor...@free.fr wrote: Dear list, Though I have been using debian 11 for long days, I want to give a try on ubuntu 22.04. Do you know what's the main difference for these two systems on dev/ops environment? Thanks Corey Hickman What exactly is your objective use? Does Deb

Re: alternative views of PNG (was Re: Buster => Bullseye: packages keptback)

2023-03-29 Thread davidson
On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 gene heskett wrote: On 3/28/23 06:53, davidson wrote: On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 gene heskett wrote: On 3/27/23 09:18, Nicolas George wrote: Dan Ritter (12023-03-27): [Dan suggests googling ANSI color escapes] changing 33 to 30 will get you black. ANSI color escapes are on the w