Re: Wayland vs X

2022-03-11 Thread tomas
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 03:09:08PM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: [...] > > Isn't it all about X by design to not be able to safely protect a > > running X applications to snoop on other running X applications, > > something like the content of a window cannot safely kept private? I > > remember

Re: Wayland vs X

2022-03-11 Thread tomas
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 03:41:09PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: [...] > The most important one for my purposes, and therefore the one that I > remember, is the ability to have multiple desktop-like things which are > actually all just viewports on one much-larger single area [...] There seems to b

Re: evince has died a horrible death. Sob...

2022-03-11 Thread Pankaj Jangid
Emanuel Berg writes: > Pankaj Jangid wrote: >> >> For reading PDFs, I still use evince (the default). > > I use xpdf(1) but I'm not a PDF reader power user ... > > Here are some settings: > I am also not a power user. I use what came with a default desktop install of Debian. But I am overwhelmed

Re: evince has died a horrible death. Sob...

2022-03-11 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, 11 March 2022 22:45:28 EST Pankaj Jangid wrote: > gene heskett writes: > > What its its feature complete replacement in a buster install? This > > machine is bullseye, the logged into machine is buster. > > For reading PDFs, I still use evince (the default). For > annotating/marking in

Re: evince has died a horrible death. Sob...

2022-03-11 Thread Pankaj Jangid
gene heskett writes: > What its its feature complete replacement in a buster install? This > machine is bullseye, the logged into machine is buster. > For reading PDFs, I still use evince (the default). For annotating/marking in the PDFs, I use xournalpp. It is actively maintained upstream.

Re: Simple and secure blogging software for nginx

2022-03-11 Thread songbird
Christian Britz wrote: ... > Running and writing the blog. At the moment I tend to a static > generator, which would probably also make archival easier?! that is what hugo is. many themes to choose from or do your own. songbird

Re: Wayland vs X

2022-03-11 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2022 11 Mar 15:10 -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > That was exactly what I asked here a few days ago. And I was told that I > was incorrect, that Wayland was simply a better implementation of X. That > the old implementation X.org was still under active development. Showing > that I was mista

Re: Wayland vs X

2022-03-11 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2022 11 Mar 14:06 -0600, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Nate Bargmann wrote: > > > Interesting as no one uses Wayland or X11 directly but > > through a window manager or quite likely one of the desktop > > environments. > > I don't know, I think it is fair to say I use X "directly", > I start it manu

Re: Wayland vs X

2022-03-11 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2022 11 Mar 14:10 -0600, Emanuel Berg wrote: > Nate Bargmann wrote: > > >> No, I understood, but that sounds like too much emulator ... > > > > My understanding is that xwayland is an X server that runs > > under Wayland and the idea is that it handles X protocols > > but Wayland handles the

Re: Wayland vs X

2022-03-11 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-03-11 at 16:52, Emanuel Berg wrote: > The Wanderer wrote: > >> There may be multiple reasons, but one of them is that the feature >> set supported by Wayland (and/or the associated protocol, if any) >> is not a superset of the feature set supported by the X protocol. > > They should have

Re: Wayland vs X

2022-03-11 Thread John Conover
Greg Wooledge writes: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:07:39PM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote: > > OK, that stinks, I'm super-happy with my WM and it's > > configured and all. See? How do they expect anyone to switch > > to a supposedly superior solution when there are all these > > obstacles and limitation

Re: Wayland vs X

2022-03-11 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-03-11 at 16:07, Emanuel Berg wrote: > The Wanderer wrote: > >> Another limitation of XWayland as I've heard it described (by the >> same person on whose statements the previous paragraph is based, as >> well as in online discussions related to XWeston, below), as >> compared to a full X s

Re: Wayland vs X

2022-03-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:27:18PM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote: > I switched from mplayer to mpv ... And I switched from Latin-1 to UTF-8. But until I see fvwm (or something close enough) ported to Wayland, I have *no* incentive to give up X.

Re: Wayland vs X

2022-03-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 10:07:39PM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote: > OK, that stinks, I'm super-happy with my WM and it's > configured and all. See? How do they expect anyone to switch > to a supposedly superior solution when there are all these > obstacles and limitations? I don't think anyone is swit

Re: Wayland vs X

2022-03-11 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 12:25 PM Marco Möller < ta...@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> wrote: > On 11.03.22 14:14, Christian Britz wrote: > > > > > > On 2022-03-11 12:47 UTC+0100, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > > >> I have used Gnome on Wayland since late 2018. It improved a lot with > >> the release of Bull

Re: Wayland vs X

2022-03-11 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-03-11 at 06:47, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2022 10 Mar 17:04 -0600, Emanuel Berg wrote: > >> didier gaumet wrote: >> OK, thanks, I won't switch then I think ... I like feh and use it a lot. >>> >>> Just to be clear in case there would be a misunderstanding >>> because my sen

Re: Wayland vs X

2022-03-11 Thread Tim Woodall
On Fri, 11 Mar 2022, Marco M?ller wrote: Isn't it all about X by design to not be able to safely protect a running X applications to snoop on other running X applications, something like the content of a window cannot safely kept private? I remember to have read that Wayland was invented for t

Re: got a mdadm puzzler

2022-03-11 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, 11 March 2022 13:11:14 EST Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 07:18:56AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > 2. I've had since the last of about 20 installs of bullseye, a very > > early boot message about ata6 at the 10 and 20 second marks of the > > reboot IF it was no

Re: Simple and secure blogging software for nginx

2022-03-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 12:48:28PM -0400, Chris Mitchell wrote: > I believe Apache and nginx both have fairly robust support for popular > server-side languages like PHP, so many toolkits will work happily on > top of either one. nginx can be told to contact php-fpm in order to run PHP scripts. He

Re: evince has died a horrible death. Sob...

2022-03-11 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, 11 March 2022 13:11:36 EST Brian wrote: > On Fri 11 Mar 2022 at 11:28:05 -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > Thats been the most complete pdf viewer I've ever used. But I just > > tried to look at a doc I have looked at hundreds of times over he > > last years, and it got all upset all over i

Re: Simple and secure blogging software for nginx

2022-03-11 Thread Christian Britz
Thank you for your thoughts, Russel, On 2022-03-11 18:40 UTC+0100, Russell L. Harris wrote: > Christian is talking about three different projects, each of which is > demanding of time. > > Securing and maintaining a web server is a difficult matter. But when > you can purchase hosting for US$4 p

Re: Wayland vs X

2022-03-11 Thread Marco Möller
On 11.03.22 14:14, Christian Britz wrote: On 2022-03-11 12:47 UTC+0100, Nate Bargmann wrote: I have used Gnome on Wayland since late 2018. It improved a lot with the release of Bullseye. I use this setup on two machines, a laptop and a desktop that has two monitors. So far I have not had a

Re: evince has died a horrible death. Sob...

2022-03-11 Thread Brian
On Fri 11 Mar 2022 at 11:28:05 -0500, gene heskett wrote: > Thats been the most complete pdf viewer I've ever used. But I just tried > to look at a doc I have looked at hundreds of times over he last years, > and it got all upset all over itself, while I was logged into that > machine with an s

Re: got a mdadm puzzler

2022-03-11 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 07:18:56AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > 2. I've had since the last of about 20 installs of bullseye, a very early > boot message about ata6 at the 10 and 20 second marks of the reboot IF > it was not a full powerdown reboot. Did you not at any point think that le

Re: Simple and secure blogging software for nginx

2022-03-11 Thread Russell L. Harris
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 08:19:02AM -0500, songbird wrote: Christian Britz wrote: ... Thank you, I allow my self to reply on the list. I heard that WordPress is very common, but I fear it might be oversized for my public diary about moving to a new town, which I plan to write. And it is very ofte

Re: evince has died a horrible death. Sob...

2022-03-11 Thread tomas
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 11:28:05AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > Thats been the most complete pdf viewer I've ever used. But I just tried > to look at a doc I have looked at hundreds of times over he last years, > and it got all upset all over itself, while I was logged into that > machine with a

Re: Simple and secure blogging software for nginx

2022-03-11 Thread Chris Mitchell
On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 22:39:34 +0100 Christian Britz wrote: > Sure, I think I was not precise in my posting. I am willing to add > something dynamic, and I was not sure if Apache and nginx support the > same toolkits. > > You and others brought in several static content generators, I will > consid

Re: evince has died a horrible death. Sob...

2022-03-11 Thread Christian Britz
On 2022-03-11 17:28 UTC+0100, gene heskett wrote: > Thats been the most complete pdf viewer I've ever used. But I just tried > to look at a doc I have looked at hundreds of times over he last years, > and it got all upset all over itself, while I was logged into that > machine with an ssh -Y

Re: evince has died a horrible death. Sob...

2022-03-11 Thread Cindy Sue Causey
On 3/11/22, gene heskett wrote: > Thats been the most complete pdf viewer I've ever used. But I just tried > to look at a doc I have looked at hundreds of times over he last years, > and it got all upset all over itself, while I was logged into that > machine with an ssh -Y login. > > What its its

Re: Wayland vs X

2022-03-11 Thread didier gaumet
Le vendredi 11 mars 2022 à 08:07 -0600, Nate Bargmann a écrit : > > Gnome is now native with Wayland and its visual effects only work > with > Wayland as I understand it.  I did try Gnome Flashback as it runs on > X11 > and the visual effects were disabled.  In some cases that's not an > issue

Re: evince has died a horrible death. Sob...

2022-03-11 Thread der.hans
Am 11. Mar, 2022 schwätzte gene heskett so: moin moin, I dropped evince for okular a few years ago and have been happy with the change. I run KDE, so that might make a difference. I do ssh -Y into containers without KDE installed to use it shooting the display back to a debian box with KDE. I

evince has died a horrible death. Sob...

2022-03-11 Thread gene heskett
Thats been the most complete pdf viewer I've ever used. But I just tried to look at a doc I have looked at hundreds of times over he last years, and it got all upset all over itself, while I was logged into that machine with an ssh -Y login. What its its feature complete replacement in a buster

Re: Simple and secure blogging software for nginx

2022-03-11 Thread songbird
Christian Britz wrote: ... > Thank you, I allow my self to reply on the list. > I heard that WordPress is very common, but I fear it might be oversized > for my public diary about moving to a new town, which I plan to write. > And it is very often in the news with security holes... Don't want some

Re: Wayland vs X

2022-03-11 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2022 11 Mar 07:16 -0600, Christian Britz wrote: > > > On 2022-03-11 12:47 UTC+0100, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > > I have used Gnome on Wayland since late 2018. It improved a lot with > > the release of Bullseye. I use this setup on two machines, a laptop and > > a desktop that has two monito

Re: Wayland vs X

2022-03-11 Thread Christian Britz
On 2022-03-11 12:47 UTC+0100, Nate Bargmann wrote: > I have used Gnome on Wayland since late 2018. It improved a lot with > the release of Bullseye. I use this setup on two machines, a laptop and > a desktop that has two monitors. So far I have not had any issues with And what is the practi

Re: Wayland vs X

2022-03-11 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2022 10 Mar 17:04 -0600, Emanuel Berg wrote: > didier gaumet wrote: > > >> OK, thanks, I won't switch then I think ... I like feh and > >> use it a lot. > > > > Just to be clear in case there would be a misunderstanding > > because my sentence was not accurate enough: what I meant is > > feh

Re: Simple and secure blogging software for nginx

2022-03-11 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
Take a look at https://dotclear.org/ which is PHP based. Some time ago Debian also had it packaged. Regards, Jörg.

Re: Launch a minimal MATE DE

2022-03-11 Thread Richard Hector
On 9/03/22 04:06, David Wright wrote: On Tue 08 Mar 2022 at 07:00:08 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Tue, Mar 08, 2022 at 01:54:11PM +1300, Richard Hector wrote: [...] > Just to solve the infinite recursion problem: > > richard@zircon:~$ apt-file search bin/apt-file > apt-file: /usr/bin/

Re: Simple and secure blogging software for nginx

2022-03-11 Thread Christian Britz
On 2022-03-11 06:06 UTC+0100, Russell L. Harris wrote: > Life is too short to mess around with a markup language other than > LaTeX. Work always in LaTeX. Next topic on my learning agenda. :-) -- http://www.cb-fraggle.de