Re: Debian 9 sucks really badly

2018-03-23 Thread Michelle Konzack
Good morning Forest, Am 2018-03-24 hackte Forest in die Tasten: > Even the BOFH went commercial! > http://www.bofharchive.com/ > > And you think LILO is bad; wait; till you get to systemd. :) Hahaha, you made the day! > Did I mention lvm and kvm? ROTFL > Best regard > Forest Have a nice weeke

Re: Debian 9 sucks really badly

2018-03-23 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hi Chris, Am 2018-03-24 hackte Chris Anderson in die Tasten: > Last week I bought a new PC and decided to try debian so I downloaded > the DVD version 9 and performed a fresh install besides windows 10. This works generaly nicely, because i have it on my ThinkPad T400 too. However, with Windows 7

Re: Debian 9 sucks really badly

2018-03-23 Thread Forest
On Sat, 2018-03-24 at 14:01 +1030, Chris Anderson wrote: > Hello > > > So thanks for wasting my time Debian and for future reference, go > and  > get fucked!!! > > > Chris Anderson > > Even the BOFH went commercial! http://www.bofharchive.com/ And you think LILO is bad; wait; till you get t

Debian 9 sucks really badly

2018-03-23 Thread Chris Anderson
Hello I have been using different flavours of Linux since slackware 96 over 20 years ago. Since then I have installed and used at least a dozen different flavours. By far the most challenging was the X windows system for slackware but I managed to get it installed and running with no problems

Re: domain names, was: hostname

2018-03-23 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, March 23, 2018 09:12:19 PM David Wright wrote: > On Fri 23 Mar 2018 at 20:13:10 (-0400), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > I think Brian was assuming that the webmail user was using the webmail > system provided by the ISP itself (rather than a third party's, like > Google's). Many ISPs provid

Re: domain names, was: hostname

2018-03-23 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 08:27:11PM +, Brian wrote: Having authenticated to get on the network it is superfluous to ask for further authentication to send mail (or browse the web), wouldn't you say? No, because: 1) it's quicker and easier to address spam issues if there is a client login

Re: domain names, was: hostname

2018-03-23 Thread David Wright
On Fri 23 Mar 2018 at 20:13:10 (-0400), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, March 23, 2018 06:49:49 PM Brian wrote: > > On Fri 23 Mar 2018 at 22:22:45 +, Joe wrote: > > > On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 12:01:42 -0500 > > > > > > David Wright wrote: > > > > I venture to suggest that many (most?) .home

Re: domain names, was: hostname

2018-03-23 Thread David Wright
On Fri 23 Mar 2018 at 19:13:54 (+), Brian wrote: > On Fri 23 Mar 2018 at 12:01:42 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > I venture to suggest that many (most?) .home users will be using their > > ISP's smarthost, which would mean that the ISP (a) usually insist on > > authentication and (b) and like

Re: domain names, was: hostname

2018-03-23 Thread David Wright
On Fri 23 Mar 2018 at 13:05:17 (-0400), Miles Fidelman wrote: > On 3/23/18 1:01 PM, David Wright wrote: > >On Fri 23 Mar 2018 at 11:59:06 (-0400), Miles Fidelman wrote: > >>At some point, the network name that one's PC inserts into outgoing > >>mail might become important. > >I venture to suggest

Re: domain names, was: hostname

2018-03-23 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, March 23, 2018 06:49:49 PM Brian wrote: > On Fri 23 Mar 2018 at 22:22:45 +, Joe wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 12:01:42 -0500 > > > > David Wright wrote: > > > I venture to suggest that many (most?) .home users will be using their > > > ISP's smarthost, > > > > I'll see your smart

Re: Installing Debian 9

2018-03-23 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 24/03/18 10:20, 😝 😝 wrote: Hello, I am trying to install Debian 9 as a primary OS on an Acer Aspire 5 Laptop. During the installation process I get a message stating; “Debian 9 Detect network hardware Some of your hardware needs non-free firmware files to operate. The firmware can be loaded

Re: domain names, was: hostname

2018-03-23 Thread Brian
On Fri 23 Mar 2018 at 22:22:45 +, Joe wrote: > On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 12:01:42 -0500 > David Wright wrote: > > > > I venture to suggest that many (most?) .home users will be using their > > ISP's smarthost, > > I'll see your smarthost and raise you a webmail... how many home users > are using

Re: Installing Debian 9

2018-03-23 Thread Forest
On Fri, 2018-03-23 at 16:20 -0500, 😝 😝 wrote: > Hello, I am trying to install Debian 9 as a primary OS on an Acer > Aspire 5 Laptop. During the installation process I get a message > stating; “Debian 9 Detect network hardware Some of your hardware > needs non-free firmware files to operate. The fir

Re: domain names, was: hostname

2018-03-23 Thread Forest
On Fri, 2018-03-23 at 22:22 +, Joe wrote: > On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 12:01:42 -0500 > David Wright wrote: > > > > > > I venture to suggest that many (most?) .home users will be using > > their > > ISP's smarthost,  > > I'll see your smarthost and raise you a webmail... how many home > users > a

Installing Debian 9

2018-03-23 Thread 😝 😝
Hello, I am trying to install Debian 9 as a primary OS on an Acer Aspire 5 Laptop. During the installation process I get a message stating; “Debian 9 Detect network hardware Some of your hardware needs non-free firmware files to operate. The firmware can be loaded from removable media, such as

Re: domain names, was: hostname

2018-03-23 Thread Joe
On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 12:01:42 -0500 David Wright wrote: > > I venture to suggest that many (most?) .home users will be using their > ISP's smarthost, I'll see your smarthost and raise you a webmail... how many home users are using an email client at all? -- Joe

Re: domain names, was: hostname

2018-03-23 Thread Brian
On Fri 23 Mar 2018 at 16:08:27 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, March 23, 2018 03:13:54 PM Brian wrote: > > On Fri 23 Mar 2018 at 12:01:42 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > I venture to suggest that many (most?) .home users will be using their > > > ISP's smarthost, which would mean th

Re: domain names, was: hostname

2018-03-23 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, March 23, 2018 03:13:54 PM Brian wrote: > On Fri 23 Mar 2018 at 12:01:42 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > I venture to suggest that many (most?) .home users will be using their > > ISP's smarthost, which would mean that the ISP (a) usually insist on > > authentication and (b) and likely to

Re: domain names, was: hostname

2018-03-23 Thread Brian
On Fri 23 Mar 2018 at 10:46:22 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 23 Mar 2018 at 10:31:13 (-), Dan Purgert wrote: > > > > This is where things get messy, due to language. In the context that > > Greg is using, "receiver" is the ultimate destination MTA, and not the > > intermediary MTA(s) t

Re: domain names, was: hostname

2018-03-23 Thread Brian
On Fri 23 Mar 2018 at 12:01:42 -0500, David Wright wrote: > I venture to suggest that many (most?) .home users will be using their > ISP's smarthost, which would mean that the ISP (a) usually insist on > authentication and (b) and likely to have issued the network name > (like ip70-179-161-106.fv.

Re: domain names, was: hostname

2018-03-23 Thread David Wright
On Fri 23 Mar 2018 at 17:38:52 (-), Dan Purgert wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 23 Mar 2018 at 10:31:13 (-), Dan Purgert wrote: > >> [...] > >> The ones that're plastered all over the webmail interface that "joe > >> typical home user" uses, because thunderbird is too hard :). > > >

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Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet (was: domain names, was: hostname)

2018-03-23 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 20:31:28 +1100 terryc wrote: > On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 09:00:16 +0100 > wrote: > > > > To put that on stronger terms -- we'd end up with two and a half > > gatekeepers for mail: Google, Hotmail (aka Microsoft) and... who > > did I forget? > yahoo for a starter, then there is t

Re: domain names, was: hostname

2018-03-23 Thread Dan Purgert
David Wright wrote: > On Fri 23 Mar 2018 at 10:31:13 (-), Dan Purgert wrote: >> [...] >> The ones that're plastered all over the webmail interface that "joe >> typical home user" uses, because thunderbird is too hard :). > > You're now introducing another constituency of users who might not eve

Re: domain names, was: hostname

2018-03-23 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 3/23/18 1:01 PM, David Wright wrote: On Fri 23 Mar 2018 at 11:59:06 (-0400), Miles Fidelman wrote: On 3/22/18 10:03 PM, David Wright wrote: On Thu 22 Mar 2018 at 20:26:26 (+), Brian wrote: On Thu 22 Mar 2018 at 12:44:53 -0500, David Wright wrote: [...] Here are my points, as it's a

Re: domain names, was: hostname

2018-03-23 Thread David Wright
On Fri 23 Mar 2018 at 11:59:06 (-0400), Miles Fidelman wrote: > On 3/22/18 10:03 PM, David Wright wrote: > > >On Thu 22 Mar 2018 at 20:26:26 (+), Brian wrote: > >>On Thu 22 Mar 2018 at 12:44:53 -0500, David Wright wrote: > >> > >>[...] > >> > >>>Here are my points, as it's a month since I made

Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet

2018-03-23 Thread Miles Fidelman
Well, I think Greg Wooledge is right here Let's rewind the discussion. The original context was "why do I need to have a dot in my HELO string". The reason you need a dot in your HELO string is because SMTP receivers may reject you as a spammer (or incompetent, same end result) if you do not ha

Re: domain names, was: hostname

2018-03-23 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 3/22/18 10:03 PM, David Wright wrote: On Thu 22 Mar 2018 at 20:26:26 (+), Brian wrote: On Thu 22 Mar 2018 at 12:44:53 -0500, David Wright wrote: [...] Here are my points, as it's a month since I made them. I didn't quite answer the question as posed. --✄-- that as well as being

Re: domain names, was: hostname

2018-03-23 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:46:22AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > (Mind you, it was a query about the hostname that set this whole > thread off: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/02/msg00639.html ) Most successful troll of the year, so far, by far.

Re: domain names, was: hostname

2018-03-23 Thread David Wright
On Fri 23 Mar 2018 at 10:31:13 (-), Dan Purgert wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 22 Mar 2018 at 22:17:02 (-), Dan Purgert wrote: > >> David Wright wrote: > >> > On Thu 22 Mar 2018 at 08:58:43 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> >> [...] > >> >> An SMTP receiver SHOULD validate the rec

Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet

2018-03-23 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 23/03/18 12:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 04:04:17PM +1300, Richard Hector wrote: >> Another reference, thanks. Still not specific. > > Let's rewind the discussion. > > The original context was "why do I need to have a dot in my HELO string". > > The reason you need a do

Re: Federated, decentralised communication on the internet

2018-03-23 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 04:04:17PM +1300, Richard Hector wrote: > Another reference, thanks. Still not specific. Let's rewind the discussion. The original context was "why do I need to have a dot in my HELO string". The reason you need a dot in your HELO string is because SMTP receivers may reje

Re: domain names, was: hostname

2018-03-23 Thread Dan Purgert
David Wright wrote: > On Thu 22 Mar 2018 at 22:17:02 (-), Dan Purgert wrote: >> David Wright wrote: >> > On Thu 22 Mar 2018 at 08:58:43 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: >> >> [...] >> >> An SMTP receiver SHOULD validate the recipient address right here, >> >> right now. It SHOULDN'T just accept e

Re: how to view config file changes without running an upgrade?

2018-03-23 Thread Tomaž Šolc
On 22. 03. 2018 11:14, Harald Dunkel wrote: > On 03/21/18 17:18, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> Then you need a second system, to test the upgrades on.  If you don't >> keep one around at all times, then you could create one on the fly >> with debootstrap, rsync your current configs into it, and test the