Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-16 Thread Ric Moore
On 02/16/2015 07:47 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Christian Seiler wrote: Am 16.02.2015 um 02:54 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton: http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/ It's funny that when Wheezy (not Jessie!) came out, nobod

Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-16 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 16 February 2015 21:31:19 Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Feb 16, Alastair McKinstry wrote: > > The breakage of compatibility of existing systems (e.g. with /usr on a > > separate partition) has left a sour taste. I spent a weekend repairing > > systemd introduces no such breakage. Also, /usr

Re: disabling unneeded services?

2015-02-16 Thread Brian
On Mon 16 Feb 2015 at 21:16:12 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 16 February 2015 17:54:34 Brian wrote: > > It looks like exim is redundant and > > could be purged. > > > > But what about local mail? There is a view that most users never look at > > it so exim should be dispensed with. You will

Re: How well-maintained are NEWS and changelog files in deb packages?

2015-02-16 Thread Martin T
Don, thanks for explaining this! Martin On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Fri, 13 Feb 2015, Martin T wrote: >> apt-listchanges uses NEWS and changelog files in Debian packages. Are >> NEWS and changelog files always or at list usually updated, i.e. is it >> safe to tru

Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-16 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Feb 16, Alastair McKinstry wrote: > The breakage of compatibility of existing systems (e.g. with /usr on a > separate partition) has left a sour taste. I spent a weekend repairing systemd introduces no such breakage. Also, /usr on a separate partition was partially broken even before systemd

Re: disabling unneeded services?

2015-02-16 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 16 February 2015 17:54:34 Brian wrote: > It looks like exim is redundant and > could be purged. > > But what about local mail? There is a view that most users never look at > it so exim should be dispensed with. You will have to make up your own > mind about this. I install nullmailer.

Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-16 Thread Eduard Bloch
Hallo, * Lisi Reisz [Mon, Feb 16 2015, 11:42:14AM]: > On Monday 16 February 2015 08:09:19 Marco d'Itri wrote: > > > to debian-users: you don't have complete choice (yet), but i have > > > demonstrated with a few hours work that there is a way to run > > > (certain) desktop environments without requ

Re: multiarch broken?

2015-02-16 Thread Berthold Cogel
Am 16.02.2015 um 12:39 schrieb Floris: > Op Mon, 16 Feb 2015 00:32:16 +0100 schreef Berthold Cogel > : > >> >> It seems that some of the amd64 and i386 packages are available in >> different versions, which causes the conflicts.. >> > > You are right, the versions of libc6:amd64 and libc6:i386 h

Re: Wine in amd64

2015-02-16 Thread Siard
Gary Dale wrote: > Siard wrote: > > I have a 64-bit Windows executable. > > So I created a 64-bit wine directory: > > > > WINEARCH=win64 WINEPREFIX=~/.wine64 winecfg > > > > and tried to install the program: > > > > WINEPREFIX=~/.wine64 wine ./program.exe > > > > However, I get this error

Re: disabling unneeded services?

2015-02-16 Thread Brian
On Mon 16 Feb 2015 at 22:01:15 +0530, Sivaram Neelakantan wrote: > On Mon, Feb 16 2015,Brian wrote: > > > The condition you make implies a willingness to investigate what each of > > these services does and how its removal (or disablement) impacts *your* > > use of the system. Only then can you

Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-16 Thread Alastair McKinstry
On 16/02/2015 16:14, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > 2015-02-16 16:26 GMT+01:00 Alastair McKinstry : >> [...] >> An an example, i've been a long-term linux developer, DD; i've developed >> and promoted Linux not just on the desktop but both in embedded systems >> and in HPC systems. In all these I've bee

Re: disabling unneeded services?

2015-02-16 Thread Sivaram Neelakantan
On Mon, Feb 16 2015,Lisi Reisz wrote: [snipped 15 lines] > If he upgraded from Wheezy, as he did, will he have systemd? > I do seem to have systemd-blame installed and the above command worked. sivaram -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: disabling unneeded services?

2015-02-16 Thread Brian
On Mon 16 Feb 2015 at 16:08:06 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 16 February 2015 16:01:12 Brian wrote: > > On Mon 16 Feb 2015 at 20:39:41 +0530, Sivaram Neelakantan wrote: > > > As I had earlier posted, I have recently upgraded to Jessie. > [snip] > > > And where do I start reading to make my

Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-16 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2015-02-16 16:26 GMT+01:00 Alastair McKinstry : > [...] > An an example, i've been a long-term linux developer, DD; i've developed > and promoted Linux not just on the desktop but both in embedded systems > and in HPC systems. In all these I've been comfortable that I've been > able to adapt Linux,

Re: disabling unneeded services?

2015-02-16 Thread Sivaram Neelakantan
On Mon, Feb 16 2015,Brian wrote: > On Mon 16 Feb 2015 at 20:39:41 +0530, Sivaram Neelakantan wrote: > >> As I had earlier posted, I have recently upgraded to Jessie. During >> bootup I see lots of stuff being started like Exim, ldap etc. I'd >> like to disable lots of these stuff if it doesn't

Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-16 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2015-02-16 16:26, Alastair McKinstry wrote: > On 16/02/2015 14:41, Christian Kastner wrote: >> I'll hazard another guess, namely that the great vast majority of users >> simply do not care. I'd be surprised if most users even know what an >> init system does, much less what the differences betwe

Re: disabling unneeded services?

2015-02-16 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 16 February 2015 16:01:12 Brian wrote: > On Mon 16 Feb 2015 at 20:39:41 +0530, Sivaram Neelakantan wrote: > > As I had earlier posted, I have recently upgraded to Jessie. [snip] > > And where do I start reading to make my booting faster and make my > > system a wee bit more secure? > >

Re: disabling unneeded services?

2015-02-16 Thread Brian
On Mon 16 Feb 2015 at 20:39:41 +0530, Sivaram Neelakantan wrote: > As I had earlier posted, I have recently upgraded to Jessie. During > bootup I see lots of stuff being started like Exim, ldap etc. I'd > like to disable lots of these stuff if it doesn't interfere with KDE > the environment that

Re: disabling unneeded services?

2015-02-16 Thread Petter Adsen
On Mon, 16 Feb 2015 20:39:41 +0530 Sivaram Neelakantan wrote: > > As I had earlier posted, I have recently upgraded to Jessie. During > bootup I see lots of stuff being started like Exim, ldap etc. I'd > like to disable lots of these stuff if it doesn't interfere with KDE > the environment tha

Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-16 Thread Alastair McKinstry
On 16/02/2015 14:41, Christian Kastner wrote: > On 2015-02-16 13:47, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Christian Seiler >> wrote: >>> Am 16.02.2015 um 02:54 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton: http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/ >>>

Re: Wine in amd64

2015-02-16 Thread Gary Dale
On 16/02/15 10:12 AM, Siard wrote: Hi, I have Wine installed in Jessie, amd64. First I created a 32-bit wine directory: WINEARCH=win32 WINEPREFIX=~/.wine32 winecfg so I could install 32-bit Windows executables: WINEPREFIX=~/.wine32 wine ./program.exe Now for the first time I have a

Re: Which way do you think is the best for Debian users to bypass GFW?

2015-02-16 Thread Darac Marjal
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:41:50PM +0800, Jack Chuge wrote: > I'm living in Mainland, China, it's not my fault. The most important thing > for ever since installing a new system for me must be finding out the way to > bypass the Great Fire Wall. It's not a joke. It's so boring remaining inside > th

Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-16 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 16 February 2015 14:41:32 Christian Kastner wrote: > On 2015-02-16 13:47, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Christian Seiler wrote: > >> Am 16.02.2015 um 02:54 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton: > >>> http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_fr

Re: wifi driver problem

2015-02-16 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
* Ashish Kumar [2015-02-16 20:16 +0530]: > sir i have a prob in instaling my wifi driver > > i have bcm 43142 > my laptop is hp pav p 027 > kali linux 1.1.0 amd 64 [...] > plz plz plz plz help sir as it is being very fruatating to use > kali without wifi Go ahead on https://www.kali.org/comm

Re: wifi driver problem

2015-02-16 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 16 February 2015 14:46:34 Ashish Kumar wrote: > sir i have a prob in instaling my wifi driver > > i have bcm 43142 > my laptop is hp pav p 027 > kali linux 1.1.0 amd 64 > > plz help with a detail as i m very new to linux > > provide me with all command > > with package instalation command

Wine in amd64

2015-02-16 Thread Siard
Hi, I have Wine installed in Jessie, amd64. First I created a 32-bit wine directory: WINEARCH=win32 WINEPREFIX=~/.wine32 winecfg so I could install 32-bit Windows executables: WINEPREFIX=~/.wine32 wine ./program.exe Now for the first time I have a 64-bit Windows executable. So I created

disabling unneeded services?

2015-02-16 Thread Sivaram Neelakantan
As I had earlier posted, I have recently upgraded to Jessie. During bootup I see lots of stuff being started like Exim, ldap etc. I'd like to disable lots of these stuff if it doesn't interfere with KDE the environment that I currently use(I used a KDE live CD install). I have no idea what serv

Which way do you think is the best for Debian users to bypass GFW?

2015-02-16 Thread Jack Chuge
I'm living in Mainland, China, it's not my fault. The most important thing for ever since installing a new system for me must be finding out the way to bypass the Great Fire Wall. It's not a joke. It's so boring remaining inside the wall. People will not give up searching for the entry to the w

wifi driver problem

2015-02-16 Thread Ashish Kumar
sir i have a prob in instaling my wifi driver i have bcm 43142 my laptop is hp pav p 027 kali linux 1.1.0 amd 64 plz help with a detail as i m very new to linux provide me with all command with package instalation command also... plz plz plz plz help sir as it is being very fruatating to use k

Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-16 Thread Christian Kastner
On 2015-02-16 13:47, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Christian Seiler wrote: >> Am 16.02.2015 um 02:54 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton: >>> >>> http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/ >> >> >> It's funny that when Wheezy (not Jessie!) came

Re: about boot manager

2015-02-16 Thread Jack Chuge
Darac Marjal 於 2015-2-16 17:50 寫道: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 08:10:57AM +0800, Jack Chuge wrote: If neither GRUB nor LILO installed along a core Debian system into a virtual machine, how does it start from booting? I've only seen a prompt cursor displaying still there the black screen. It depend

Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-16 Thread The Wanderer
On 02/16/2015 at 07:47 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Christian Seiler > wrote: > >> Am 16.02.2015 um 02:54 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton: >> >>> http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/ >> >> It's funny that when Wheezy (not Jes

Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-16 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Christian Seiler wrote: > Am 16.02.2015 um 02:54 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton: >> >> http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/ > > > It's funny that when Wheezy (not Jessie!) came out, nobody complained > that libsystemd-login0 (which is now pa

Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-16 Thread Christian Seiler
Am 16.02.2015 um 02:54 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton: http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/ It's funny that when Wheezy (not Jessie!) came out, nobody complained that libsystemd-login0 (which is now part of libsystemd0) was as a dependency of dbus, so it is probably alrea

Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-16 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 16 February 2015 08:09:19 Marco d'Itri wrote: > > to debian-users: you don't have complete choice (yet), but i have > > demonstrated with a few hours work that there is a way to run > > (certain) desktop environments without requiring libsystemd0 or any of > > its dependencies, and after

Re: multiarch broken?

2015-02-16 Thread Floris
Op Mon, 16 Feb 2015 00:32:16 +0100 schreef Berthold Cogel : Hello! My system is a debian wheezy amd64 with multiarch enabled since I installed eagle (i386 only) some time ago. I also had teamviewer (i386) installed. The system was up to date most of the time. LANG=C apt-get install libc6:

Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-16 Thread Jochen Spieker
Marco d'Itri: > On Feb 16, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > >> to debian-developers: the technical issues are irrelevant (and can >> always be solved over time) - it's that you are complicit in removing >> people's software freedom right to choose what to run on their system: >> that is why

Re: about boot manager

2015-02-16 Thread Darac Marjal
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 08:10:57AM +0800, Jack Chuge wrote: > If neither GRUB nor LILO installed along a core Debian system into a virtual > machine, how does it start from booting? I've only seen a prompt cursor > displaying still there the black screen. It depends on the virtual machine. If your

Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-16 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Feb 16, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > to debian-users: you don't have complete choice (yet), but i have > demonstrated with a few hours work that there is a way to run > (certain) desktop environments without requiring libsystemd0 or any of > its dependencies, and after a little invest