Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread tv.deb...@googlemail.com
On 08/12/2014 22:00, Brian wrote: On Mon 08 Dec 2014 at 17:14:58 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 08 December 2014 16:25:51 Brian wrote: On Mon 08 Dec 2014 at 09:40:03 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: Several people in this thread (including, I think, you?) are responding to those complaints by

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-08 Thread Bret Busby
On 09/12/2014, Marty wrote: > > Unix is not simple anymore. > So, what "up to date" operating system is, now? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-08 Thread Bret Busby
On 09/12/2014, Marty wrote: > > Unix and X were developed around time-sharing, and are showing their > age. Here is a quote from a document I came across recently: > > """ > What was wrong with Unix? > "Not only is UNIX dead, it’s starting to smell really bad." > − Rob Pike circa 1991 > Withou

Re: Re: Iceweasel Latest update stealing bandwidth uselessly -OT

2014-12-08 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 09:36:16AM +, Anthony Campbell wrote: > On 07 Dec 2014, Clive Standbridge wrote: > > > I think the Dali Llama is a Spanish surrealistic painting of a South > > > American ruminant, noted for fleecing the tin foil crowd. > > > > You win! > > > > -- > > Clive > > > >

Debian7.7でUSB HDDの書込不可の不具合

2014-12-08 Thread Jun Itou
Jun Itouです。 お世話になります。  Debian7.6から7.7に変更してからUSB HDDが書込不可の症状に直面しています。  (7.6でもapt-get upgradeして同症状が出ているかもしれませんが、今回は新規インストールのため未確認)  kernelの比較のため、kernel.orgから3.2.62と3.2.63をDLし両者をインストールして比較しました。   HDDは3.2.62でfdiskとmkfs.ext4を実行し、その状態で3.2.62と3.2.63でmountとumountを実行してdmesgを取得してみました。  以下、両者のuname -aとdmes

Beceem BCSM250 WiMAX Adapter

2014-12-08 Thread Celejar
I'm trying to get this WiMAX adapter working - does anyone have it working, or know how to do so? I've searched high and low on the web, and found all kinds of half-baked / incomplete / outdated stuff, plus some useful information, which led me to the steps I've taken, described below. The unit

tgif thumbnailers not working - solved

2014-12-08 Thread Tad Bak
> I have been trying unsuccessfully to convince Nautilus to display thumbnails > of tgif (*.obj) files. I repeated the [...] The problem was caused by an error in my tgif-thumbnailer script. Thumbnails are being generated correctly now. Cheers, Tad -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-r

Re: Installing Debian on a SuperMicro server

2014-12-08 Thread Bob Proulx
mourik jan heupink - merit wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > When I set up a system such as this I always test afterward that the > > system can be booted from each disk individually. Don't boot past > > grub. Just boot to grub to verify. If you boot past grub into a > > degraded raid system it wil

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-08 Thread Marty
On 12/08/2014 04:53 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: Lars Noodén wrote: On 12/08/2014 08:14 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: Exactly what is meant by "Multi-seat PC"? I'm working on defining a heavily customized personal installation of Debian. One of the *STRONG* underlying assumptions is the the machine w

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Joel Rees
2014/12/08 20:24 "Brian" : > > On Mon 08 Dec 2014 at 10:12:55 +0100, Christian Groessler wrote: > > > On 12/08/14 09:44, Curt wrote: > > >On 2014-12-08, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > >>Actually, it's *always* a surprise. These fsck happen at long enough > > >>intervals, that I can never know if it wa

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 08 December 2014 19:00:36 Brian wrote: > On Mon 08 Dec 2014 at 17:14:58 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Monday 08 December 2014 16:25:51 Brian wrote: > > > On Mon 08 Dec 2014 at 09:40:03 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > > > > Several people in this thread (including, I think, you?) are > > >

Re: [OT] was Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin "joke", was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....

2014-12-08 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 08 December 2014 17:41:57 Michael Fothergill wrote: > Perhaps the fun to be got out of it is to try doing it with different > phrases and then those of us who don't know Latin take bets on how good or > bad a translation it is beforehand. :-) When I was at school we had a rhyme which we

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-08 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 09 dec 14, 03:51:49, Bret Busby wrote: > > Whether we like it or not, that is my understanding of "most people" > who "use computers" - they probably believe that Linux is the name of > some kind of cat or something. http://arcgraph.de/sr/linux/microsoft-linux.jpg Kind regards, Andrei --

Re: Failed to install VLC from wheezy backports

2014-12-08 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 08 dec 14, 17:30:44, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > root@tony-fr:~# apt-get -t wheezy-backports install vlc > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have > requested an impossi

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 08 Dec 2014, Ric Moore wrote: > Keep in mind that interrupting fsck is regarded as a very very bad > practice by every link brought by a google search using key words Interrupting ext2/3/4 fsck while it is reading data structures is "safe" as in it is not going to make anything worse. I w

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-08 Thread Richard Owlett
Lars Noodén wrote: On 12/08/2014 08:14 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: Exactly what is meant by "Multi-seat PC"? I'm working on defining a heavily customized personal installation of Debian. One of the *STRONG* underlying assumptions is the the machine would only ever be used by a specific individual.

[solved] Re: suspend/resume problems jessie/Xfce

2014-12-08 Thread Mike Kupfer
Mike Kupfer wrote: > 1. When resuming from suspend, the display fails to go out of sleep mode > until I press Ctrl-Alt-Fn to go to a different virtual terminal. But > then when I return the vt7, the display flickers and there are > horizontal lines running through it. I don't see this problem wh

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/08/2014 11:56 AM, The Wanderer wrote: A slightly better one might be if the travel agent offered alternative routes by land and sea, but no other air-travel options to the same destination - and then reacted condescendingly when the traveller insisted that they really do need air travel in

Re: Failed to install VLC from wheezy backports

2014-12-08 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/08/2014 11:30 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote: Hi, I'm trying to install a recent VLC on my wheezy box, but: root@tony-fr:~# apt-get -t wheezy-backports install vlc Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. T

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/08/2014 09:09 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: Anyhow, I've gained something from this thread. I didn't know that I could get rid of fsck by the simple expedient of C^c. Yes, I know that it is obvious, and I can't believe that I didn't even try it, but I clearly didn't. Maybe, like me, it's becau

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-08 Thread Lars Noodén
On 12/08/2014 08:14 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: Exactly what is meant by "Multi-seat PC"? I'm working on defining a heavily customized personal installation of Debian. One of the *STRONG* underlying assumptions is the the machine would only ever be used by a specific individual. One of the underlyi

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-08 Thread Richard Owlett
Bret Busby wrote: On 09/12/2014, Richard Owlett wrote: In a thread titled "Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?" berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [https://lists.debian.org/3d6a00a1c8bddc88b517b4e19cc68...@neutralite.org]> Le 08.12.2014 14:18, Marty a écrit : [SNIP] Multi-seat PC and other

Re: Installing Debian on a SuperMicro server

2014-12-08 Thread mourik jan heupink - merit
On 12/08/2014 08:40 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: When I set up a system such as this I always test afterward that the system can be booted from each disk individually. Don't boot past grub. Just boot to grub to verify. If you boot past grub into a degraded raid system it will create a "split brain"

Re: LVM RAID5 with missing disk?

2014-12-08 Thread Bob Proulx
Gary Dale wrote: > Mart van de Wege wrote: > > The problem is not that RAID5 does not provide resilience against a > > single disk failure. The problem is that with modern disk capacities, > > the chances of *another* disk failing while the array is rebuilding have > > significantly risen. > > > >

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-08 Thread Bret Busby
On 09/12/2014, Bret Busby wrote: > On 09/12/2014, Richard Owlett wrote: >> In a thread titled "Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?" >> berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: >> [https://lists.debian.org/3d6a00a1c8bddc88b517b4e19cc68...@neutralite.org]> >> >> >>> >>> Le 08.12.2014 14:18, Marty a écrit

Re: System hangs at boot after Squeeze to Wheezy update (saslauthd culprit?)

2014-12-08 Thread Bob Proulx
Sergi Pons Freixes wrote: > I just upgraded my VPS at Linode from Squeeze to Wheezy, everything looked > find (only some issues with Dovecot), but after the reboot the system hangs > at: > ... > So, or it is something related to saslauthd (the last message printed), or > to the error seen before wi

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Doug
On 12/08/2014 09:40 AM, The Wanderer wrote: On 12/08/2014 at 09:15 AM, Brian wrote: /snip/ This thread is about complaints about not being able to interrupt / abort / cancel an already-started boot-time fsck. /snip/ It has been remarked that systemd is an approach similar to Windows, and i

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-08 Thread Bret Busby
On 09/12/2014, Richard Owlett wrote: > In a thread titled "Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?" > berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > [https://lists.debian.org/3d6a00a1c8bddc88b517b4e19cc68...@neutralite.org]> > > >> >> Le 08.12.2014 14:18, Marty a écrit : >>> [SNIP] >>> Multi-seat PC and other >>

Re: Installing Debian on a SuperMicro server

2014-12-08 Thread Bob Proulx
Johann Spies wrote: > I am trying to install Debian on a SuperMicro server on two ssd's > configured in the bios as a RAID1 (I think it is called a fake-raid). Like Miles recommended I also recommend you avoid BIOS RAID and use Linux md raid with mdadm instead. I have used Supermicro servers for

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Brian
On Mon 08 Dec 2014 at 17:14:58 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 08 December 2014 16:25:51 Brian wrote: > > On Mon 08 Dec 2014 at 09:40:03 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > > > > > > Several people in this thread (including, I think, you?) are responding > > > to those complaints by saying "It's you

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/08/2014 07:06 AM, Bonno Bloksma wrote: Actually, THAT is the very reason we ask for the option to be able to cancel a running fsck. You can never predict EVERY situation when fsck would be run but needed to be avoided. Maybe I asked a non tech to simply turn on the machine, how technical

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/08/2014 06:41 AM, Christian Groessler wrote: On 12/08/14 12:04, Mart van de Wege wrote: Christian Groessler writes: On 12/08/14 09:44, Curt wrote: On 2014-12-08, Stefan Monnier wrote: Actually, it's *always* a surprise. These fsck happen at long enough intervals, that I can never kn

How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-08 Thread Richard Owlett
In a thread titled "Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?" berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [https://lists.debian.org/3d6a00a1c8bddc88b517b4e19cc68...@neutralite.org]> Le 08.12.2014 14:18, Marty a écrit : [SNIP] Multi-seat PC and other anachronisms probably have to go away. Exactly what is

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-08 Thread Marty
On 12/08/2014 10:43 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 08.12.2014 14:18, Marty a écrit : I almost tagged this off-topic but it's directed toward ordinary Debian users (with developer backgrounds). I first raised this on modular-debian but I want to get some ideas from a wider audien

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Curt
On 2014-12-08, The Wanderer wrote: > > I think that's a poor analogy. > > A slightly better one might be if the travel agent offered alternative > routes by land and sea, but no other air-travel options to the same > destination - and then reacted condescendingly when the traveller > insisted that

Re: [OT] was Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin "joke", was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....

2014-12-08 Thread Michael Fothergill
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 08 December 2014 16:58:51 Michael Fothergill wrote: > > > Remind me not to use Google Translate. The whisky is agreeable but the > > > meat > > > has gone bad!!! > > > > > > Lisi > > > > > I said the above, I didn't say this, which yo

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread John Hasler
Brian writes: > I see ideas being examined and criticised. I see no attacks on anyone. I did. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Arch

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 08 December 2014 16:25:51 Brian wrote: > On Mon 08 Dec 2014 at 09:40:03 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > > > > Several people in this thread (including, I think, you?) are responding > > to those complaints by saying "It's your own fault, for not doing X", > > rather than by saying "Yes, it's

[OT] was Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin "joke", was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....

2014-12-08 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 08 December 2014 16:58:51 Michael Fothergill wrote: > > Remind me not to use Google Translate. The whisky is agreeable but the > > meat > > has gone bad!!! > > > > Lisi > > I said the above, I didn't say this, which you quote me as saying: > > I tried translating one of the current mail

Re: user permission inconsistency

2014-12-08 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
Hi On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 06:16:37PM +0100, alex wrote: > > Hi everybody, > > I observe a strange inconsistency in user permissions (jessie up to > date; xfce4). Id est: > > user@rheya:~$ ls -la /dev/ttyACM0 > crw-rw 1 root dialout 166, 0 Dec 8 17:25 /dev/ttyACM0 > > user@rheya:~$ id ale

user permission inconsistency

2014-12-08 Thread alex
Hi everybody, I observe a strange inconsistency in user permissions (jessie up to date; xfce4). Id est: user@rheya:~$ ls -la /dev/ttyACM0 crw-rw 1 root dialout 166, 0 Dec 8 17:25 /dev/ttyACM0 user@rheya:~$ id alex uid=1000(user) gid=1000(user) groups=1000(user),20(dialout) user@rheya:~

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread The Wanderer
On 12/08/2014 at 11:25 AM, Brian wrote: > On Mon 08 Dec 2014 at 09:40:03 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 12/08/2014 at 09:15 AM, Brian wrote: >> >>> Sorry, I see no "defence" ("incendiary" or otherwise) of any >>> init system being made in this thread. What I do see is people >>> trying to he

Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin "joke", was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....

2014-12-08 Thread Michael Fothergill
> Remind me not to use Google Translate. The whisky is agreeable but the > meat > has gone bad!!! > > Lisi > > > I tried translating one of the current mailing list topics - "Debian fork: > Devuan, Debian without systemd" into Latin using google translate > What you get is: Debian furca : De

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Brian
On Mon 08 Dec 2014 at 09:40:03 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > On 12/08/2014 at 09:15 AM, Brian wrote: > > > Sorry, I see no "defence" ("incendiary" or otherwise) of any init > > system being made in this thread. What I do see is people trying to > > help with a solution to a problem. One by Curt is

Failed to install VLC from wheezy backports

2014-12-08 Thread Tony van der Hoff
Hi, I'm trying to install a recent VLC on my wheezy box, but: root@tony-fr:~# apt-get -t wheezy-backports install vlc Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible

Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin "joke", was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....

2014-12-08 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 08 December 2014 15:44:59 Michael Fothergill wrote: > > > A novus fuscinulam Debian - Devuan pulsantes apparuit absque ulla > > > logicas rationem omnino > > > > "A new (way of doing impolite things to, or, an impolite adjective to > > show dislike for) Debian - De Van is a pulsing a

Re: Maildrop - howto deliver email that contains the word "systemd" directly to trash with .mailfilter?

2014-12-08 Thread berenger . morel
Le 18.11.2014 15:40, Toby a écrit : Hello, the subject says it all. I'm starting to have problems finding useful mails from this list. They are hiding somewhere between all systemd arguments. Since I'm not interested in what init system that will be the default and are trusting that my boxes

Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin "joke", was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....

2014-12-08 Thread Michael Fothergill
> > A novus fuscinulam Debian - Devuan pulsantes apparuit absque ulla > > logicas rationem omnino > > > > "A new (way of doing impolite things to, or, an impolite adjective to > show dislike for) Debian - De Van is a pulsing apparition with all of > its "abs" logically rationed everywhere" > >

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-08 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 10:15:24AM -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > It IS accurate to say that after Jessie is released as stable. Jessie No. 'Jessie is frozen *until* it is released as stable. > has been frozen, and only RC fixes are being made. This is not > considered an RC fix. That link I

Re: Haven't seen this ssh output before

2014-12-08 Thread berenger . morel
Le 04.12.2014 11:33, Jochen Spieker a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org: debsecan. This is a tool which lists CVE (Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures) that the packages you installed contains. I think you might get some hints if you make a diff between the old (you said you have un-upg

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 12/8/2014 9:42 AM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Mon, 08 Dec 2014, Christian Groessler wrote: >> Why don't the systemd proponents understand that someone might want to >> interrupt a running fsck? Don't scrutinize the reasons, just accept >> the fact. > > Handwaving issues away is int

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 08 December 2014 14:42:45 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > We broke the signal delivery in sysvinit as well for a while, when we added > parallel execution (startpar).  People would ^C and the signal would hit > some unintended process because there were several running at the same >

WebRTC - wasRe: no microphone in skype

2014-12-08 Thread Bret Busby
On 08/12/2014, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Andreas Weber > wrote: >> On 2014-12-06 22:31, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: >>> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Andreas Weber >>> wrote: On 2014-12-06 05:28, Gary Dale wrote: > The problem is that Skype uses prop

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-08 Thread berenger . morel
Le 08.12.2014 14:18, Marty a écrit : I almost tagged this off-topic but it's directed toward ordinary Debian users (with developer backgrounds). I first raised this on modular-debian but I want to get some ideas from a wider audience. I'm starting to get familiar with Plan 9 and D-Bus, to com

Re: Iceweasel Latest update stealing bandwidth uselessly

2014-12-08 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 12/8/2014 6:25 AM, Alex wrote: > Thank you all for some useful and "interesting" (strange??) replies. > > There is no decrease in stolen bandwidth - still approx 5 - 6Mbyte/10min > using Reko's settings:- > > browser.safebrowsing.malware.enabled = false > browser.safebrowsing.enabled =

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread The Wanderer
On 12/08/2014 at 09:15 AM, Brian wrote: > On Mon 08 Dec 2014 at 08:31:57 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 12/08/2014 at 06:41 AM, Martin Read wrote: >>> I like systemd, but I do wish certain of its non-coding >>> proponents would stop indulging in incendiary defence of it >>> against legitimat

Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin "joke", was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....

2014-12-08 Thread Bret Busby
On 08/12/2014, Michael Fothergill wrote: > > A novus fuscinulam Debian - Devuan pulsantes apparuit absque ulla > logicas rationem omnino > "A new (way of doing impolite things to, or, an impolite adjective to show dislike for) Debian - De Van is a pulsing apparition with all of its "abs"

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 08 December 2014 14:15:32 Brian wrote: > On Mon 08 Dec 2014 at 08:31:57 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > > On 12/08/2014 at 06:41 AM, Martin Read wrote: > > > On 08/12/14 08:44, Curt wrote: > > >> On 2014-12-08, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > >>> Actually, it's *always* a surprise. These fsck ha

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 08 Dec 2014, Christian Groessler wrote: > Why don't the systemd proponents understand that someone might want to > interrupt a running fsck? Don't scrutinize the reasons, just accept > the fact. Handwaving issues away is intolerable behavior in a professional capacity, but in this particul

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Brian
On Mon 08 Dec 2014 at 10:51:01 +, Bonno Bloksma wrote: > Hi Brian, > > >> Brian wrote: > >> > >> > But remember our current slogan "Linux is all about choice". One can > >> > choose to boot with or without "fsck.mode=skip". > >> > >> What about the choice to stop fsck it if it has started

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread The Wanderer
On 12/08/2014 at 09:15 AM, Brian wrote: > On Mon 08 Dec 2014 at 08:31:57 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 12/08/2014 at 06:41 AM, Martin Read wrote: >>> There is *no legitimate basis* for arguing with the OP's >>> complaint. The systemd transition has caused a user interface >>> regression, wh

Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin "joke", was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....

2014-12-08 Thread Michael Fothergill
>> Not a bad translation, in fact, but the grammar is a bit of a mess. It is > > (the) Latin men you have sucking, not the language, and you have more > than > > one of them so they should suck not sucks. (Latini is plural and sugit > is > > singular.) > > > > I tried doing this again in French

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Brian
On Mon 08 Dec 2014 at 12:41:06 +0100, Christian Groessler wrote: > On 12/08/14 12:04, Mart van de Wege wrote: > >Christian Groessler writes: > > > >>On 12/08/14 09:44, Curt wrote: > >>>On 2014-12-08, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Actually, it's *always* a surprise. These fsck happen at long enoug

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Brian
On Mon 08 Dec 2014 at 08:31:57 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > On 12/08/2014 at 06:41 AM, Martin Read wrote: > > > On 08/12/14 08:44, Curt wrote: > > > >> On 2014-12-08, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> > >>> Actually, it's *always* a surprise. These fsck happen at long > >>> enough intervals, that I

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 08 December 2014 13:31:57 The Wanderer wrote: > On 12/08/2014 at 06:41 AM, Martin Read wrote: > > On 08/12/14 08:44, Curt wrote: > >> On 2014-12-08, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >>> Actually, it's *always* a surprise. These fsck happen at long > >>> enough intervals, that I can never know if

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-08 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 08 December 2014 13:18:18 Marty wrote: > I would even deign to > give users a choice in the matter, [snip] > Multi-seat PC and other > anachronisms probably have to go away. Choice??? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubsc

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Frédéric Marchal
2014-12-08 11:44 GMT+01:00 claude juif : > 2014-12-08 10:28 GMT+01:00 Frédéric Marchal > : >> >> Le Monday 08 December 2014 09:44:07, Curt a écrit : >> > On 2014-12-08, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> > > Actually, it's *always* a surprise. These fsck happen at long enough >> > > intervals, that I can n

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread The Wanderer
On 12/08/2014 at 06:41 AM, Martin Read wrote: > On 08/12/14 08:44, Curt wrote: > >> On 2014-12-08, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> >>> Actually, it's *always* a surprise. These fsck happen at long >>> enough intervals, that I can never know if it was "4 months ago" >>> or "7 months ago", and neither

Re: Iceweasel Latest update stealing bandwidth uselessly

2014-12-08 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 08 Dec 2014, Alex wrote: > Extensions and/or add-ons installed:- > Plugins:- > DivX Browser Plug-in > Gnome Shell Integration > iTunes Applications Detector > mplayerplug-in is now gecko-mediaplayer 1.0.6 > Quicktime Plug-in 7.6.9 > Realplayer 9 > Shockwave Flash 11.2.202.411

Re: Iceweasel Latest update stealing bandwidth uselessly -OT

2014-12-08 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 08 Dec 2014, Anthony Campbell wrote: > On 07 Dec 2014, Clive Standbridge wrote: > > > I think the Dali Llama is a Spanish surrealistic painting of a South > > > American ruminant, noted for fleecing the tin foil crowd. > > > > You win! > > In the film "Troy" there is a scene in which a lo

Cannot mount to DFS namespase

2014-12-08 Thread Mimiko
Hello. I want to mount to a DFS namespase but got error. In /etc/fstab I use: //domain.com/op/dir1 /mnt/dir1 cifs username=username_cifs,domain=domain.com,password=pass,iocharset=utf8,sec=ntlmi,rw,soft,nocase 0 0 But I got this error: mount.cifs kernel mount options: ip=IP,unc=\\domain.com\

9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-08 Thread Marty
I almost tagged this off-topic but it's directed toward ordinary Debian users (with developer backgrounds). I first raised this on modular-debian but I want to get some ideas from a wider audience. I'm starting to get familiar with Plan 9 and D-Bus, to compare how they try to solve the same set

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread claude juif
Hello Bonno (my bad i forget to say hello :( ) If you have some kind of monitoring system, you can monitor tune2fs output and raise an alert if mount count is close to maximum mount count. So you will be warned about fsck on next reboot, and you can delay it by adjusting maximum mount count, or re

RE: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hello Claude, >> > Actually, it's *always* a surprise.  These fsck happen at long enough >> > intervals, that I can never know if it was "4 months ago" or "7 months >> > ago", and neither can I remember which laptop/desktop has the delay set >> > to 172 days vs 194 days vs 98 days vs ... > Maybe

RE: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hi, >> Actually, it's *always* a surprise. These fsck happen at long enough >> intervals, that I can never know if it was "4 months ago" or "7 months >> ago", and neither can I remember which laptop/desktop has the delay >> set to 172 days vs 194 days vs 98 days vs ... > Can't you write a sma

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Martin Read
On 08/12/14 08:44, Curt wrote: On 2014-12-08, Stefan Monnier wrote: Actually, it's *always* a surprise. These fsck happen at long enough intervals, that I can never know if it was "4 months ago" or "7 months ago", and neither can I remember which laptop/desktop has the delay set to 172 days vs

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Christian Groessler
On 12/08/14 12:04, Mart van de Wege wrote: Christian Groessler writes: On 12/08/14 09:44, Curt wrote: On 2014-12-08, Stefan Monnier wrote: Actually, it's *always* a surprise. These fsck happen at long enough intervals, that I can never know if it was "4 months ago" or "7 months ago", and n

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Brian
On Sun 07 Dec 2014 at 20:29:37 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > On 12/07/2014 at 06:37 PM, Mart van de Wege wrote: > > > It is a small mistake, not worth bothering about, > > That depends on its consequences, which in some circumstances can be > significant enough to be worth caring about. Indeed.

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Martin Read
On 08/12/14 01:29, The Wanderer wrote: If that results in you shooting yourself in the foot over the long term, then that's your problem, because you made the decision to prioritize the immediate benefit of cancelling the fsck over the long-term benefit of letting it run. My experience of runni

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Mart van de Wege
Christian Groessler writes: > On 12/08/14 09:44, Curt wrote: >> On 2014-12-08, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> Actually, it's *always* a surprise. These fsck happen at long enough >>> intervals, that I can never know if it was "4 months ago" or "7 months >>> ago", and neither can I remember which lap

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Brian
On Mon 08 Dec 2014 at 10:12:55 +0100, Christian Groessler wrote: > On 12/08/14 09:44, Curt wrote: > >On 2014-12-08, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >>Actually, it's *always* a surprise. These fsck happen at long enough > >>intervals, that I can never know if it was "4 months ago" or "7 months > >>ago",

RE: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hi Rick, > But remember our current slogan "Linux is all about choice". One > can choose to boot with or without "fsck.mode=skip". >> You've never had to reboot a room of 100 servers with a specific >> odrder and see that the second one just began a 2h long fsck ? > > I run all virtual

Re: Iceweasel Latest update stealing bandwidth uselessly

2014-12-08 Thread Alex
Thank you all for some useful and "interesting" (strange??) replies. There is no decrease in stolen bandwidth - still approx 5 - 6Mbyte/10min using Reko's settings:- browser.safebrowsing.malware.enabled = false browser.safebrowsing.enabled = false I notice that there are five other 'b

RE: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hi Brian, >> Brian wrote: >> >> > But remember our current slogan "Linux is all about choice". One can >> > choose to boot with or without "fsck.mode=skip". >> >> What about the choice to stop fsck it if it has started at an inconvenient >> moment ? > > Remedial action is not needed because

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread claude juif
2014-12-08 10:28 GMT+01:00 Frédéric Marchal < frederic.marc...@wowtechnology.com>: > Le Monday 08 December 2014 09:44:07, Curt a écrit : > > On 2014-12-08, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > Actually, it's *always* a surprise. These fsck happen at long enough > > > intervals, that I can never know if i

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 08 dec 14, 06:59:13, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 10:12:55 +0100 > Christian Groessler wrote: > > > Why don't the systemd proponents understand that someone might want to > > interrupt a running fsck? Don't scrutinize the reasons, just accept the > > fact. > > After all, it

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Ron
On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 10:12:55 +0100 Christian Groessler wrote: > Why don't the systemd proponents understand that someone might want to > interrupt a running fsck? Don't scrutinize the reasons, just accept the > fact. > After all, it's *my* computer, and *I* want to be in control of it. Because

Re: Query: Deprecated libsystemd0 items, initramfs-1.18 bugs

2014-12-08 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 07 dec 14, 18:51:53, David Baron wrote: > On Sunday 07 December 2014 13:30:35 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Du, 07 dec 14, 12:52:06, David Baron wrote: > > > > 2. 1.18 has been the current intramf-tools version for quite a while and > > > several serious or worse bugs are open. > > > > And

Re: no microphone in skype

2014-12-08 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 07 dec 14, 13:08:03, Ric Moore wrote: > On 12/07/2014 05:06 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >On Sb, 06 dec 14, 23:57:00, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > >> > >>Is skype 4.3.0.37-1 working for anyone running Jessie with the > >>following pulseaudio version? > >> > >>rajulocal@hogwarts:~$ pulseaudio

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Frédéric Marchal
Le Monday 08 December 2014 09:44:07, Curt a écrit : > On 2014-12-08, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Actually, it's *always* a surprise. These fsck happen at long enough > > intervals, that I can never know if it was "4 months ago" or "7 months > > ago", and neither can I remember which laptop/desktop

Re: Re: Iceweasel Latest update stealing bandwidth uselessly -OT

2014-12-08 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 07 Dec 2014, Clive Standbridge wrote: > > I think the Dali Llama is a Spanish surrealistic painting of a South > > American ruminant, noted for fleecing the tin foil crowd. > > You win! > > -- > Clive > In the film "Troy" there is a scene in which a lot of animals are stampeding, among whic

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Christian Groessler
On 12/08/14 09:44, Curt wrote: On 2014-12-08, Stefan Monnier wrote: Actually, it's *always* a surprise. These fsck happen at long enough intervals, that I can never know if it was "4 months ago" or "7 months ago", and neither can I remember which laptop/desktop has the delay set to 172 days vs

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-08 Thread Curt
On 2014-12-08, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Actually, it's *always* a surprise. These fsck happen at long enough > intervals, that I can never know if it was "4 months ago" or "7 months > ago", and neither can I remember which laptop/desktop has the delay set > to 172 days vs 194 days vs 98 days vs

Re: Iceweasel Latest update stealing bandwidth uselessly

2014-12-08 Thread Curt
On 2014-12-07, Ric Moore wrote: > > Like the OP, I am on HughesNet with savage restrictions on bandwidth > usage and I would sure be concerned over what or who is stealing it. If > anyone has a clue, I'd be interested in hearing it. > The Grinch stole Christmas once. Reco's *about:config* chan