Re: Why is troubleshooting Linux so hard?

2010-11-16 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Ma, 16 nov 10, 16:43:38, Borden Rhodes wrote: > > But how would such a utopian scheme be implemented? Well, my training > is in accounting so I'll tell you how they solve these problems. A > governing body, like the SEC or AICPA, recognises a problem in its > standards and rules which, for ex

Re: Upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze

2010-11-16 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Ma, 16 nov 10, 11:37:39, Gary Roach wrote: > attempted to install the new system that way. The Squeeze disk > didn't recognize the windows system and trashed my boot files. I This shouldn't happen. If you can reproduce this it would be important to file a bug report. Regards, Andrei -- Offt

Re: what is the use of -c parameter of column(1), can you demonstrate with an example?

2010-11-16 Thread Phil Requirements
On 2010-11-17 13:12:38 +0800, Zhang Weiwu, Beijing wrote: > While I see it this way: > > expand--> Format tab-indented text and tab-separated tables using spaces. > column -t --> Format tab-separated tables using spaces. > column--> Format lists into columns. "column -t" does much more th

Re: [OT] Re: atx mobo that isn't atx

2010-11-16 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Hugo Vanwoerkom put forth on 11/16/2010 2:19 PM: > Camaleón wrote: >> On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:46:43 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: >> >>> In the process of installing asus M4N98TD EVO ATX mobo, I discovered >>> that the one I am replacing, an Epox 8VTAI, says it's ATX but it isn't: >>> it's 305mmx210

Re: Re: Why is troubleshooting Linux so hard?

2010-11-16 Thread Borden Rhodes
Much obliged for the insight. I think I understand now the point that Steve was trying to get at. If I understood correctly, Debian's role in package maintenance is the packaging; the actual coding (and related policies) are handled farther upstream. All the same, I still struggle to understand

Re: what is the use of -c parameter of column(1), can you demonstrate with an example?

2010-11-16 Thread Zhang Weiwu, Beijing
On 11/17/2010 07:39 AM, Phil Requirements wrote: > expand--> converts tabs to spaces > column--> takes a list and displays it in columns > column -t --> takes lines of data, splits each line, displays the result in > columns > While I see it this way: expand--> Format tab-indented te

Re: How to recreate a dmraid RAID array with mdadm (was: no subject)

2010-11-16 Thread Neil Brown
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 21:44:10 -0500 Mike Viau wrote: > > > On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:26:47 +1100 wrote: > >> > >>> On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:21:22 +1100 wrote: > On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 01:50:42 -0500 Mike wrote: > > How does one fix the problem of not having the array not starting at > >

RE: How to recreate a dmraid RAID array with mdadm (was: no subject)

2010-11-16 Thread Mike Viau
> On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:26:47 +1100 wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:21:22 +1100 wrote: On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 01:50:42 -0500 Mike wrote: How does one fix the problem of not having the array not starting at boot? >>> >>> To be able to answer that one would need to know exac

RE: How to recreate a dmraid RAID array with mdadm (was: no subject)

2010-11-16 Thread Mike Viau
> On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:53:37 +1100 wrote: > On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 01:39:39 + > John Robinson wrote: > > > On 17/11/2010 01:26, Neil Brown wrote: > > > On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:02:17 -0500 > > > Mike Viau wrote: > > [...] > > >> DEVICE partitions > > >> HOMEHOST > > >> ARRAY metadata=imsm UUID=

Re: How to recreate a dmraid RAID array with mdadm (was: no subject)

2010-11-16 Thread John Robinson
On 17/11/2010 01:26, Neil Brown wrote: On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:02:17 -0500 Mike Viau wrote: [...] DEVICE partitions HOMEHOST ARRAY metadata=imsm UUID=084b969a:0808f5b8:6c784fb7:62659383 ARRAY /dev/md/OneTB-RAID1-PV container=084b969a:0808f5b8:6c784fb7:62659383 member=0 UUID=ae4a1598:72267ed7:3

Re: How to recreate a dmraid RAID array with mdadm (was: no subject)

2010-11-16 Thread Neil Brown
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 01:39:39 + John Robinson wrote: > On 17/11/2010 01:26, Neil Brown wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:02:17 -0500 > > Mike Viau wrote: > [...] > >> DEVICE partitions > >> HOMEHOST > >> ARRAY metadata=imsm UUID=084b969a:0808f5b8:6c784fb7:62659383 > >> ARRAY /dev/md/OneTB-RAI

Re: Upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze

2010-11-16 Thread Gary Roach
Sorry Simon. When I said that my boot files were trashed I meant that neither XP or Linux was working anymore. The laptop was a boat anchor. Gary R. On 01/-10/-28163 11:59 AM, Simon Hollenbach wrote: - Original message - > I have a dual boot Windows XP / Lenny Toshiba Qosmio G25 lapto

Re: How to check which package are from multimedia.org?

2010-11-16 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 23:12:13 + (UTC) Camaleón wrote: > On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:13:21 -0500, Celejar wrote: > > > On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:53:27 +0200 Andrei Popescu wrote: > > > >> On Lu, 15 nov 10, 09:21:54, Celejar wrote: > >> > > >> > Perhaps I took it the wrong way, but I thought that the

Re: How to recreate a dmraid RAID array with mdadm (was: no subject)

2010-11-16 Thread Neil Brown
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:02:17 -0500 Mike Viau wrote: > > > On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:21:22 +1100 wrote: > > > On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 01:50:42 -0500 Mike wrote: > > > > > > How does one fix the problem of not having the array not starting at boot? > > > > > > > To be able to answer that one would need

Re: Why is troubleshooting Linux so hard?

2010-11-16 Thread Miles Fidelman
Borden Rhodes wrote: Thank you for the response. Indeed, you are correct in that my problem isn't specific to Linux kernel troubleshooting (although I could dedicate a website to things that don't work there) but with the software that runs on Debian in general. To clarify, the problem I have i

RE: How to recreate a dmraid RAID array with mdadm (was: no subject)

2010-11-16 Thread Mike Viau
> On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:21:22 +1100 wrote: > > On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 01:50:42 -0500 Mike wrote: > > > > How does one fix the problem of not having the array not starting at boot? > > > > To be able to answer that one would need to know exactly what is in the > initramfs. And unfortunately all dis

Re: what is the use of -c parameter of column(1), can you demonstrate with an example?

2010-11-16 Thread Phil Requirements
On 2010-11-16 11:33:56 +0800, Zhang Weiwu wrote: > On 11/03/2010 10:04 AM, Zhang Weiwu wrote: > > problem: > > > > The usage with -t is to form a table, which, although code level > > implementation is similar to multi-column layout, in fact is a very > > different usage than what is m

Re: Youtube in full-screen crash browsers.

2010-11-16 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:08:46 +, Artur Frydel wrote: > From last apt-get update I have a little problem with Youtube films in > full-screen mode. They crashes browsers. Iceweasel, google-chrome, or > opera.. After setting film in fullscreen there is crash caused by > libflashplayer. > > Debian

Re: How to check which package are from multimedia.org?

2010-11-16 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:13:21 -0500, Celejar wrote: > On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:53:27 +0200 Andrei Popescu wrote: > >> On Lu, 15 nov 10, 09:21:54, Celejar wrote: >> > >> > Perhaps I took it the wrong way, but I thought that the maintainer >> > could have been a bit more cooperative and sympathetic,

Youtube in full-screen crash browsers.

2010-11-16 Thread Artur Frydel
Hi. >From last apt-get update I have a little problem with Youtube films in full-screen mode. They crashes browsers. Iceweasel, google-chrome, or opera.. After setting film in fullscreen there is crash caused by libflashplayer. Debian Lenny. Iceweasel in 3.06 version, google-chrome stable version

Re: Why is troubleshooting Linux so hard?

2010-11-16 Thread Borden Rhodes
Thank you for the response. Indeed, you are correct in that my problem isn't specific to Linux kernel troubleshooting (although I could dedicate a website to things that don't work there) but with the software that runs on Debian in general. To clarify, the problem I have is when the computer fre

Re: Packages - what's the best way?

2010-11-16 Thread Tyler Smith
Bob Proulx writes: > Tyler Smith wrote: >> Doesn't the 'ALL=(ALL) ALL' line give the user unlimited authority >> anyways? > > It isn't about restricting privilege. Both have superuser privilege. > It is about the invocation environment. > I hadn't thought of that. Makes sense. > Sure if you ar

Re: Downgrading packages (with dependencies)

2010-11-16 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In <201011161438.54964.jesus.nava...@undominio.net>, Jesús M. Navarro wrote: >Hi, Boyd: > >On Monday 15 November 2010 20:55:58 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> In <201011151334.06503.lukas.linh...@centrumholdings.com>, Lukas Linhart > >[...] > >> Downgrades aren't supported and can't reasonably be

Re: Packages - what's the best way?

2010-11-16 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
In <4ce196ad.2070...@googlemail.com>, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: >15/11/2010 21:01, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> In <20101115192606.gb18...@hysteria.proulx.com>, Bob Proulx wrote: >>> * 'sudo' uses your user password while 'su' uses root's password. >>> >>> With sudo you manage your own

Re: Upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze

2010-11-16 Thread Simon Hollenbach
- Original message - > I have a dual boot Windows XP / Lenny Toshiba Qosmio G25 laptop. I have > it setup for dual boot with XP on one hard drive and Linux on the other. > I wanted to upgrade to Squeeze. I ran an Aptitude upgrade by changing > Lenny to Squeeze in the /etc/apt/source.list

Upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze

2010-11-16 Thread Gary Roach
I have a dual boot Windows XP / Lenny Toshiba Qosmio G25 laptop. I have it setup for dual boot with XP on one hard drive and Linux on the other. I wanted to upgrade to Squeeze. I ran an Aptitude upgrade by changing Lenny to Squeeze in the /etc/apt/source.list file and then running the usual upd

Re: [OT] Re: atx mobo that isn't atx

2010-11-16 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:46:43 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: In the process of installing asus M4N98TD EVO ATX mobo, I discovered that the one I am replacing, an Epox 8VTAI, says it's ATX but it isn't: it's 305mmx210mm and that is nothing that I recognize. After digging a bit wi

Re: How to check which package are from multimedia.org?

2010-11-16 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:53:27 +0200 Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Lu, 15 nov 10, 09:21:54, Celejar wrote: > > > > Perhaps I took it the wrong way, but I thought that the maintainer > > could have been a bit more cooperative and sympathetic, given that > > we're dealing with a repo which is widely us

Re: Error loading operating system

2010-11-16 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:56:12 +0100 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:12:37 -0500, Celejar wrote in message > <20101115211237.ad4d60f6.cele...@gmail.com>: > > > On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:08:42 +0100 > > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:20:02 -0400, Stefan wrote in m

Mplayer exit with kernel error

2010-11-16 Thread Nils Erik Svangård
Hello! I got a strange error on my system while quitting mplayer. How do I find out what is the root cause of the error? /nisse Message from sysl...@p-nisse at Nov 16 20:25:07 ... kernel:[806234.487015] Process mplayer (pid: 1465, ti=f273a000 task=f65414a0 task.ti=f273a000) Message from sysl...@

[OT] Re: atx mobo that isn't atx

2010-11-16 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:46:43 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > In the process of installing asus M4N98TD EVO ATX mobo, I discovered > that the one I am replacing, an Epox 8VTAI, says it's ATX but it isn't: > it's 305mmx210mm and that is nothing that I recognize. After digging a bit with Google, it

Re: Packages - what's the best way?

2010-11-16 Thread Kjetil brinchmann Halvorsen
see below. On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 00:54, Bob Proulx wrote: > Rob Hurle wrote: >> Does anyone have advice on the best way to handle a .deb package? > > The easiest way is to not handle .deb files at all.  Instead allow > apt-get to install the package and any dependencies from the network. > >> C

Re: can't read asus support dvd

2010-11-16 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:43:29 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Camaleón wrote: >>> Disk is spotless. >>> Original manufacturer's disk >> >> Try the DVD media in another DVD device. >> >> > Bingo! Mounts just fine on laptop with Lenny! Hmmm, then... what could be conclude? A strange incompatibil

Re: 3D acceleration on ATI

2010-11-16 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Lu, 15 nov 10, 20:33:27, Sthu Deus wrote: > Thank You for Your time and answer, Andrei: > > > Pure or do you have any packages from backports or so (especially > > kernel)? Please also post the complete /var/log/Xorg.0.log > > That's what I have from backports, kernel included: ... > linux-im

Re: How to check which package are from multimedia.org?

2010-11-16 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Lu, 15 nov 10, 09:21:54, Celejar wrote: > > Perhaps I took it the wrong way, but I thought that the maintainer > could have been a bit more cooperative and sympathetic, given that > we're dealing with a repo which is widely used and practically > official, even though it technically isn't. Whi

atx mobo that isn't atx

2010-11-16 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Hi, In the process of installing asus M4N98TD EVO ATX mobo, I discovered that the one I am replacing, an Epox 8VTAI, says it's ATX but it isn't: it's 305mmx210mm and that is nothing that I recognize. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "u

Re: can't read asus support dvd

2010-11-16 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:01:41 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: teddieeb wrote: I'm assuming you checked this already; But is the disk filthy or scratched to heck and back?? I dunno that I've ever seen LBA Errors from a CD... Is this disk original manufacture's disk or home made "

Re: Conversion to Ext4 in LVM

2010-11-16 Thread Mike Castle
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Didar Hossain wrote: > Personally, I would not recommend converting, but, rather creating a > separate partition > for ext4 to test it out. For my use case, in order to get the benefits for using ext4 over ext3, it worked better to create a new filesystem with ex

Re: can't read asus support dvd

2010-11-16 Thread Preston Boyington
teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net wrote: I'm assuming you checked this already; But is the disk filthy or scratched to heck and back?? as an aside, most people flip the CD over to keep from scratching the bottom when it's laying around out of the jewel case/sleeve not realizing that the top has a

Re: can't read asus support dvd

2010-11-16 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:01:41 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > teddieeb wrote: >> I'm assuming you checked this already; >> >> But is the disk filthy or scratched to heck and back?? >> >> I dunno that I've ever seen LBA Errors from a CD... Is this disk >> original manufacture's disk or home made "

Re: can't read asus support dvd

2010-11-16 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
teddi...@tmo.blackberry.net wrote: I'm assuming you checked this already; But is the disk filthy or scratched to heck and back?? I dunno that I've ever seen LBA Errors from a CD... Is this disk original manufacture's disk or home made "burned" copy? Disk is spotless. Original manufacturer's

Re: can't read asus support dvd

2010-11-16 Thread teddieeb
I'm assuming you checked this already; But is the disk filthy or scratched to heck and back?? I dunno that I've ever seen LBA Errors from a CD... Is this disk original manufacture's disk or home made "burned" copy? TeddyB -Original Message- From: Hugo Vanwoerkom Date: Tue, 16 Nov 201

Re: can't read asus support dvd

2010-11-16 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Camaleón wrote: On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:58:11 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: I bought an asus M4N98TD EVO mobo and it comes with a (windoze) install DVD that says DVD ROM up front. Quick, drop that thing or will hypnose you! :-P I put it in the '0 dev='/dev/scd0' rwrw-- : 'HP' 'DVD Writ

Re: can't read asus support dvd

2010-11-16 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:58:11 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > I bought an asus M4N98TD EVO mobo and it comes with a (windoze) install > DVD that says DVD ROM up front. Quick, drop that thing or will hypnose you! :-P > I put it in the '0 dev='/dev/scd0' rwrw-- : 'HP' 'DVD Writer 1140r' > ' a

Re: linux-image for i586

2010-11-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:17:12 +0700, Sthu wrote in message <4ce23002.d07b0e0a.6484.2...@mx.google.com>: > Thank You for Your time and answer, Arnt: > > > beware that some processes grabs _every_ damned bit > > of memory it can get > > Can You bring here an example f such behavior? ..try put mo

Re: Downgrading packages (with dependencies)

2010-11-16 Thread Jesús M. Navarro
Hi, Boyd: On Monday 15 November 2010 20:55:58 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > In <201011151334.06503.lukas.linh...@centrumholdings.com>, Lukas Linhart [...] > Downgrades aren't supported and can't reasonably be supported in general. > Specifically, it is impossible to modify the lower-versioned p

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RE: Downgrading packages (with dependencies)

2010-11-16 Thread Linhart Lukas
> Then I'm afraid you'll receive more advice in "debian-devel" :-) Oh, I'll perhaps try. Thanks. > I find the concept interesting. > First, because I was not aware that a metapackage could be "itself" up/ > downgraded :-? "metapackage"is usial package, not virtual package. > Second, because if

Re: Problem with gnome in recovered squeeze system

2010-11-16 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 23:38:07 -0800, Peter Tenenbaum wrote: > Never mind. JFGI. Had to chmod 777 on /tmp. I now appear to have a > normal session on my computer, woo hoo! Don't forget the "sticky bit" as Jochen suggested. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ

Re: Problem with gnome in recovered squeeze system

2010-11-16 Thread Jochen Schulz
Peter Tenenbaum: > > Never mind. JFGI. True. :) > Had to chmod 777 on /tmp. /tmp usually has the sticky bit set. That makes sure that nobody can delete other peoples' files. J. -- Scientists know what they are talking about. [Agree] [Disagree]