Re: control init process

2003-12-11 Thread Vineet Kumar
* Arnt Karlsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031209 08:56]: > ..'init 1' should kill gdm [...] ... and nearly all of your other useful processes. Single-user-mode (runlevel 1) is useful for maintenance tasks such as filesystem checking and repairs, but definitely overkill if all you want is really /etc/in

Re: Can we tag [T]echnical posts?

2003-12-11 Thread Vineet Kumar
* Monique Y. Herman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031211 22:09]: > On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 at 05:11 GMT, Karsten M. Self penned: > > > > Then people are advised to _find_ an appropriate forum (their problem, > > not mine), and exercise self-control on this list. > > You know, people might take you more seriou

Re: Can we tag [T]echnical posts?

2003-12-11 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Monique Y. Herman: > On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 at 05:11 GMT, Karsten M. Self penned: > > > > Then people are advised to _find_ an appropriate forum (their problem, > > not mine), and exercise self-control on this list. > > You know, people might take you more seriously if you stopped tryi

Re: Can we tag [T]echnical posts?

2003-12-11 Thread Vineet Kumar
* Karsten M. Self ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031211 21:15]: > on Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 09:04:20PM -0800, Nunya [...] wrote: > > I have implemented killfile with a mutt macro and procmail (I'm killing > > the "Linux for Consumers" thread so far). How does scoring work in > > mutt? > > IMO: poorly. Th

Re: Mutt coding

2003-12-11 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 01:27:54PM +0100, Mauro Darida wrote: > Is the default coding system in Mutt determined by how I have set up > locales in debian ? Yes, as documented. See /usr/share/doc/mutt/README.Debian... > I have got a standard "C" locale and put charset="ISO-8859-1" in .muttrc > but

Re: control init process

2003-12-11 Thread anh le
hello, > on Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 10:29:30AM +0100, anh le ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > wrote: > > hello, > > > > I'm a Debian 3.0r1 newbie from vietnam. > > > > I have installed gdm but I want to control it behavior like follow: > > > > 1. After loginng in, I do not want the system run gdm immediately

Re: 3c556 Hurricaine Cardbus

2003-12-11 Thread Marc Wilson
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 09:14:38AM +1100, Joyce, Matthew wrote: > I'm just going through menuconfig for 2.4.22, and I cannot find a 3Com 3c556 > Hurricaine Cardbus nic in the networking section. The 3C566 has been supported by the 3c59x driver since at least August 2000, according to the changelog

Re: Can we tag [T]echnical posts?

2003-12-11 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 at 05:11 GMT, Karsten M. Self penned: > > Then people are advised to _find_ an appropriate forum (their problem, > not mine), and exercise self-control on this list. You know, people might take you more seriously if you stopped trying to sound so self-important. You come acro

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Re: Earthlink and Swen

2003-12-11 Thread Ross Boylan
On Sat, Dec 06, 2003 at 04:15:45PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: ... > > Earthlink have implemented virus and spam filtering within the past > month or so, early November, if time serves. That explains some of the confusion. It's good they are trying to be responsive. Too bad they aren't doing

gift horse Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Alvin Oga
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, s. keeling wrote: > If you need to understand it to use it, you've got the source. What > more could you need? That's not good enough? Don't use it. You > think it would be better with good documentation? Great. Go write > some. Oh, you want me to write some? Why? I

source code Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Alvin Oga
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, H. S. wrote: > I remember reading in the one of the man pages(I think it was mplayer, > not sure but I could look it up, I think I still have that application > somewhere) a while ago that "there are many other options. If want to > know more about these, read the source."

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Re: nagios

2003-12-11 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 02:50:53PM -, Lee, Keith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I have setup everything for just a ping to a wireless connection only (I think) > The configuration passes the sanity test. > > The log file says that nagios has started and gives a pid. > > when I use ps -A the p

Re: Can we tag [T]echnical posts?

2003-12-11 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 09:04:20PM -0800, Nunya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 08:24:46PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > > > Ignore them. > > > > The threads on completely off-topic issues (previously: rail, opium, > > and currently media acccuracy) simply shouldn't be o

Re: consumers Re: OT: Lindows based on Debian? (Re: Linux is not for consumers!)

2003-12-11 Thread Thanasis Kinias
scripsit Alvin Oga: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Lance Simmons wrote: > > > * David Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031211 13:48]: > > > > > > Actually, Michael Robertson is trying to sell his Debian based linux > > > to consumers. > > > > Is it possible to take a Lindows installation and convert it ove

Re: Can we tag [T]echnical posts?

2003-12-11 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 01:11:15PM +0800, David Palmer. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:24:46 -0800 > "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The threads on completely off-topic issues (previously: rail, > > opium, and currently media acccuracy) simply shouldn't be on

tasks Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Alvin Oga
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, H. S. wrote: > Paul E Condon wrote: > > > Documenting software is like writing a good text book. The author must get > > in touch with his "inner Dummy" and speak to his needs. Some geeks have this > > ability, but many do not. > > This is *so* true!! And the troubling pa

Re: Portable Ogg Vorbis player

2003-12-11 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 13:15, Antony Gelberg wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been looking for a portable MP3 player for a while. That is to > say, one that plays .ogg files. I have about 750 CD's, of which about > 200 are ripped in ogg and I'm not going back. :) > > I have just got home with an iRive

consumers Re: OT: Lindows based on Debian? (Re: Linux is not for consumers!)

2003-12-11 Thread Alvin Oga
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Lance Simmons wrote: > * David Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031211 13:48]: > > > > Actually, Michael Robertson is trying to sell his Debian based linux > > to consumers. > > Is it possible to take a Lindows installation and convert it over to > Debian sid or testing? That

"for dummies" Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Alvin Oga
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Thanasis Kinias wrote: > scripsit Paul E Condon: > > > Documenting software is like writing a good text book. The author must > > get in touch with his "inner Dummy" and speak to his needs. Some geeks > > have this ability, but many do not. The commercial "For Dummies" boo

Re: Can we tag [T]echnical posts?

2003-12-11 Thread Nunya
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 08:24:46PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > Ignore them. > > The threads on completely off-topic issues (previously: rail, opium, > and currently media acccuracy) simply shouldn't be on d-u. I've held my > tongue this time, but the primary participants are very close to

Re: Compiling a kernel without making a .deb package.

2003-12-11 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 at 03:00 GMT, Paul Stolp penned: > * Monique Y. Herman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-12-11 05:43]: >> >> Btw, I just discovered that lilo bug #222098 appears to still be live >> in 1:22.5.8-6. It prevents me from running lilo successfully. So >> caveat emptor and all that ... >

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Isaac To
> "H" == H S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Isaac.> But very often the source code is very good part of the Isaac.> documentation, especially when the source code is written by Isaac.> competent programmers. H> uh huh, where are we going? I for a moment, while reading your above

Re: Can we tag [T]echnical posts?

2003-12-11 Thread David Palmer.
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:24:46 -0800 "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 01:13:47PM -0800, Tom Ballard, MSFT shill > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > I don't expect this to be adopted, > > Right. This is an unmoderated list of volunteers. Many of whom can't > get

Re: control init process

2003-12-11 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 10:29:30AM +0100, anh le ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > hello, > > I'm a Debian 3.0r1 newbie from vietnam. > > I have installed gdm but I want to control it behavior like follow: > > 1. After loginng in, I do not want the system run gdm immediately, > but stay in console m

Re: Procmail recipe for "ignore-thread"

2003-12-11 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 05:19:57PM -0700, s. keeling ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Incoming from Nunya: > > > > Also: If you could post a one-line .muttrc command which would pipe the > > current message to grep, pull out the message id, and append it to kill, > >| egrep '^Message-ID' > ~/.m

Re: Applications too big in X

2003-12-11 Thread Mark Healey
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:53:31 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: >On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 at 09:29 GMT, Mark Healey penned: >> On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 00:32:58 -0800 (PST), Mark Healey wrote: >> >>>Whenever I run an application in X the window is too big. I run it in >>>800X600 mode and it looks like the app

Re: "for dummies" Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Thanasis Kinias
scripsit Alvin Oga: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Thanasis Kinias wrote: [snip] > > I would like to have something I could hand to non-geek colleagues which > > would give them the hand-holding they need to realize that they _can_ > > learn this, and that if they put in a little effort they will be ric

answers Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Alvin Oga
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Richard Kimber wrote: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:01:44 + > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > This may be true of some; but even reasonably intelligent users with > > > quite a lot of experience can come unstuck in those areas with which > > > they are not fa

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread H. S.
Isaac To wrote: "Terry" == Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Terry> Saying that the source code *is* the documentation is not unlike Terry> saying the Human Genome is an Anatomy & Physiology textbook. :-P But very often the source code is very good part of the documentation, espe

Re: Easing the load.

2003-12-11 Thread Tony Godshall
Some of your examples could actually be categorized under a heading of debian-future or debian-directions. According to David Palmer, > I have seen what I believe is a need for an additional mailing list, not > so much for the benefit of the developers' list, but most definitely for > the sake of

after compiling,rebooting, fsck fails

2003-12-11 Thread tripolar
After compiling kernel, updated grub,then rebooted getting the following error ooops dont have it verbatim something about fsck failed /dev/hda6 doesnt exist or invalid use #mount -n -o remount,rw I hit ctrl-d hoping it would continue to boot but no such luck, rebooted this time booted into old k

Re: Can we tag [T]echnical posts?

2003-12-11 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 01:13:47PM -0800, Tom Ballard, MSFT shill ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I don't expect this to be adopted, Right. This is an unmoderated list of volunteers. Many of whom can't get subscription/unsubscription instructions right, despite the fact that they're printed on ev

Re: dissapearing sound

2003-12-11 Thread Kent West
techlists wrote: A while back I seem to remember someone had a problem with KDE sound working, and then every so often it would just stop working You might want to search the Debian archives from about the time period you remember this discussion taking place. Since upgrading from woody to si

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Isaac To
> "Terry" == Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Terry> Saying that the source code *is* the documentation is not unlike Terry> saying the Human Genome is an Anatomy & Physiology textbook. :-P But very often the source code is very good part of the documentation, especially whe

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 08:15:50AM -0500, Johann Koenig wrote: > No, its not for consumers. Well, at least Debian is not. !? Lindows is basically Debian with some shiny toys. So is Lycoris and Xandros. - -- .''`. Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 01:26:39PM +0200, David Baron wrote: > 1. Connecting ADSL -- edited everything including ppp_on_boot, dsl_provider, > pap_secrets, all that stuff. No go. Running "pon ppp_on_boot" gives me a bad > tdb and quits. The only tdb ref

Re: Can we tag [T]echnical posts?

2003-12-11 Thread Nunya
On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 03:12:59AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > > He's paranoid about people googling for his name. (Personally, I find > that a better approach is to do lots of worthwhile stuff so that the > worthwhile stuff scores highly in searches for my name, but each to his > own I suppose.)

Re: Installing Printer - CUPS

2003-12-11 Thread Paul Stolp
* Dr.-Ing. C. Hurschler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-12-11 07:16]: > gs -h (6.53-3) doesn't show the driver I need (pnm2ppa) which seem odd because > it's supposed to support every driver. I get a Ghostsript unrecoverable > error in the error_log file. don't know about this ... I don't show pnm2p

Re: moderator email address

2003-12-11 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 10:54:35AM +0100, Christian Hallqvist wrote: > I am trying to find out what the correct mail address of the > moderator of the news group linux.debian.user is - so far > unsuccessfully. No, but better news servers will say it i

Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)

2003-12-11 Thread Johann Koenig
On Thursday December 11 at 06:35pm Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 11:52:32AM +0200, Haim Ashkenazi wrote: > > I originaly thought about bying radeon (9500, or 9700) but when I've > > searched the mailing list I saw there were a lot of problems with > > the ATI dr

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Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread David Palmer.
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:47:15 -0500 Roberto Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > s. keeling wrote: > > Incoming from Richard Kimber: > > > >>On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:07:23 -0600 > >>"Michael Martinell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>That's why the people doing the documentation should be

Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)

2003-12-11 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 11:52:32AM +0200, Haim Ashkenazi wrote: > > I originaly thought about bying radeon (9500, or 9700) but when I've > > searched the mailing list I saw there were a lot of problems with the ATI > > drivers too, so I've decided to stick

Re: Can we tag [T]echnical posts?

2003-12-11 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 01:13:47PM -0800, Nunya wrote: > My suggestion would be to tag [T]echnical stuff with a T: in the subject > line or something. Clearly, there would be gray areas, and newbies > wouldn't respect it, but it would help me see which threads to avoid. Technical posts should p

Re: Can we tag [T]echnical posts?

2003-12-11 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 04:46:18PM -0500, Mark Roach wrote: > On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 16:41, Nunya wrote: > > [1] I know you can read a sender tag, so there's no hiding here. > > I'd ask that you respect my wishes in the "From" line, "just > > because". It's my own definition of "freedom" and it ain

Re: jabber

2003-12-11 Thread Stephen Liu
Hi Jamin, Thanks for your advice. I am searching for a software from open source to be used on factory. When a staff completing a purchasing or sales contract and saving the same to storage (file server), it will immediately notify his/her department head and relevant departments as well. The

apache2 DocumentRoot

2003-12-11 Thread julian parker
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Re: ooh! debian jewelry

2003-12-11 Thread Greg Madden
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 10 December 2003 11:30 pm, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 at 05:01 GMT, Scarletdown penned: > > That's pretty cool. I also recommend this site as well... > > > > http://scotgold.com/acatalog/ScotGold_Catalogue_Linux_Tux_St

Re: Procmail recipe for "ignore-thread"

2003-12-11 Thread Nunya
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 07:26:30PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote: > scripsit s. keeling: > > > >| egrep '^Message-ID' > ~/.mutt/kill > > > > You can stuff some sed in there to clean it up. > > Um, `>>' not `>', right? You don't want to clobber the killfile, no? I ended up with: | grep -Ei '

Re: Compiling a kernel without making a .deb package.

2003-12-11 Thread Paul Stolp
* Monique Y. Herman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-12-11 05:43]: > > Btw, I just discovered that lilo bug #222098 appears to still be live in > 1:22.5.8-6. It prevents me from running lilo successfully. So caveat > emptor and all that ... Hmm, same problem here. looked for a bug report, didn't see i

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread David Palmer.
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:36:32 -0700 Thanasis Kinias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > scripsit David Palmer.: > > > If you request help, terminologies like 'chown' and chmode' or > > somesuch are thrown at you without any effort toward fuller > > explanation, and it goes further than assumption through

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread David Palmer.
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:21:01 -0700 Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > David Palmer. wrote: > > > If you request help, terminologies like 'chown' and chmode' or > > somesuch are thrown at you without any effort toward fuller > > explanation, and it goes further than assumption through l

Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)

2003-12-11 Thread Paul Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 11:52:32AM +0200, Haim Ashkenazi wrote: > I originaly thought about bying radeon (9500, or 9700) but when I've > searched the mailing list I saw there were a lot of problems with the ATI > drivers too, so I've decided to stick w

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Nate Duehr
On Thursday 11 December 2003 07:21 pm, Terry Hancock wrote: > Saying that the source code *is* the documentation is not unlike > saying the Human Genome is an Anatomy & Physiology textbook. That particular programmer forgot to comment his code properly. That or it was obfuscated on purpose. :-

Re: Procmail recipe for "ignore-thread"

2003-12-11 Thread Thanasis Kinias
scripsit s. keeling: > Incoming from Nunya: > > > > Also: If you could post a one-line .muttrc command which would pipe the > > current message to grep, pull out the message id, and append it to kill, > >| egrep '^Message-ID' > ~/.mutt/kill > > You can stuff some sed in there to clean it u

Re: My email is rejected by some sites

2003-12-11 Thread Thanasis Kinias
scripsit Vineet Kumar: > * Thanasis Kinias ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031211 13:03]: > > # For AOL... > > > > aol: > > driver = domainlist > > domains = aol.com > > transport = remote_smtp > > route_list = * smtp.west.cox.net > > > > You will need to set this up

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Terry Hancock
On Thursday 11 December 2003 04:58 pm, s. keeling wrote: > Incoming from Richard Kimber: > > Aren't you missing the point that you need to understand it before you can > > document it, and that in many cases understanding does not come without > > documentation. > > If you need to understand it to

Re: My email is rejected by some sites

2003-12-11 Thread Vineet Kumar
* Thanasis Kinias ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031211 13:03]: > # For AOL... > > aol: > driver = domainlist > domains = aol.com > transport = remote_smtp > route_list = * smtp.west.cox.net > > You will need to set this up for each obnoxious mail domain.[...] Well,

Do I use 2.4.22 or nvidia-kernel-common?Re: was "Kernel-HOWTO has been removed for review"

2003-12-11 Thread tripolar
It seems I have install nvidia-kernel-common but I must have not configured it because I dont have a nvidia splash screen. It appears I am running 2.4.22-1-k7. Do I recompile 2.4.22-1-k7 to get usb devices working (usb webcam, usb storage, usb phone, & usb wireless network adaptor)? What do I do t

Re: My email is rejected by some sites

2003-12-11 Thread Antonio Rodr
> From that description I suspect you may be trying to e-mail to domains > that use dynablock.easynet.nl -- a blacklist of dynamically allocated > IP addresses. Fortunately (according to > http://abuse.easynet.nl/dynablocker.html) that blacklist will go out > of commission soon. I hope responsi

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Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 at 00:33 GMT, Nunya penned: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 05:10:04PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote: >> scripsit Monique Y. Herman: >> > A lot of times, people post very app-specific questions to, say, >> > this debian-user list. I've done this myself. >> >> OTOH, there is a great p

Re: configuring jabber conferences (was: Re: jabber)

2003-12-11 Thread Jamin W. Collins
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 06:34:27PM -0500, Paul Smith wrote: > Sorry to hijack this thread, but I've searched high and low and I can't > find what I'm looking for. > > So, I set up a Jabber server on my Debian box and it's all good. I put > in mu-conference in there, and that's good too. > > Now,

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 at 00:10 GMT, Thanasis Kinias penned: > scripsit Monique Y. Herman: > >> A lot of times, people post very app-specific questions to, say, this >> debian-user list. I've done this myself. Perhaps no one on this >> list has the expertise required. If you have a question about

Debian Sarge Grub Question!

2003-12-11 Thread rthoreau
Dear: Fellow Debian Users; First a little hardware information: Tyan 2460 Tiger Motherboard. actual order of physical devices. /dev/hdc> dedicated windows XP pro harddrive 40 gig. /dev/hdd> dedicated Debian Gnu/Linux harddrive 120 gig. Grub is installed in the MBR of /d

Re: Kernel-HOWTO has been removed for review

2003-12-11 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 at 00:07 GMT, tripolar penned: > I am familiar with compiling kernel #make menuconfig #make dep && make > clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install I snag the debian version of the kernel and then do the above. > > does this process work for debian? I usua

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Nunya
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 05:10:04PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote: > scripsit Monique Y. Herman: > > A lot of times, people post very app-specific questions to, say, this > > debian-user list. I've done this myself. > > OTOH, there is a great pool of knowledge here Is it fair to ask a mutt or proc

Re: Kernel-HOWTO has been removed for review(should be able to solve now)

2003-12-11 Thread tripolar
Was given another link. even better :-) http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 18:07, tripolar wrote: > I am familiar with compiling kernel > #make menuconfig > #make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make > modules_install > > does this p

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Roberto Sanchez: > s. keeling wrote: > >Incoming from Richard Kimber: > >>Obligation? What about a sense of pride in having done something well? > > > >He did do it well! It works! Oh, "well" for you means fully > >documented so Aunt Tilley can use it? I disagree. If you disagree

Re: Procmail recipe for "ignore-thread"

2003-12-11 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Nunya: > > Also: If you could post a one-line .muttrc command which would pipe the > current message to grep, pull out the message id, and append it to kill, | egrep '^Message-ID' > ~/.mutt/kill You can stuff some sed in there to clean it up. -- Any technology distinguishab

Re: Firebird freezes on input (was Re: Firebird losing toolbar configuration after restart)

2003-12-11 Thread Paul Smith
%% "Smith, Paul [BL60:SU40:EXCH]"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: %% I wrote: sp> Here's another Firebird problem (mozilla-browser 1.5-3, firebird 0.7-3): sp> Now when I start it and I try to type into the URL box it immediately sp> freezes. Found it!! It's because my sound daemon (esd) was h

Re: Kernel-HOWTO has been removed for review

2003-12-11 Thread tripolar
found this link kernel howto especially for debian :-) http://www.e-aiyama.com/~toshi/Computer/Linux/KernelCompile.html On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 18:07, tripolar wrote: > I am familiar with compiling kernel > #make menuconfig > #make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make > modul

Firebird freezes on input (was Re: Firebird losing toolbar configuration after restart)

2003-12-11 Thread Paul Smith
%% I wrote: sp> Here's another Firebird problem (mozilla-browser 1.5-3, firebird 0.7-3): sp> Now when I start it and I try to type into the URL box it immediately sp> freezes. I don't think this has anything to do with my user profile; I renamed the ~/.phoenix/default directory and created

Procmail recipe for "ignore-thread"

2003-12-11 Thread Nunya
Searched mutt-users archive for how to "ignore-thread" in Mutt. Found http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mutt-users&m=105208920830140&w=2 Apparently you can do it with procmail. Would this recipe work: :0: * ? $FORMAIL -x References: | grep -isF -f $MAILDIR/kill $MAILDIR/k/ I think this means: if

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Thanasis Kinias
scripsit Monique Y. Herman: > A lot of times, people post very app-specific questions to, say, this > debian-user list. I've done this myself. Perhaps no one on this list > has the expertise required. If you have a question about mutt (that > doesn't involve installation through apt), you're p

Re: Firebird losing toolbar configuration after restart

2003-12-11 Thread Paul Smith
Here's another Firebird problem (mozilla-browser 1.5-3, firebird 0.7-3): Whenever I visit this link my entire browser freezes solid: http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php?id=792934018&fp=16&fpid=0 I can't even kill it with the window manager, I have to kill the PIDs. Since then, my firebi

Re: pon does nothing when run by users

2003-12-11 Thread Paul E Condon
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 05:51:31PM -0500, David Morse wrote: > John Hasler Add to Address Book wrote: > >Paul E Condon writes: > > > >>Look at the diald package. > > > > > >Or just use pppconfig to configure pppd to use demand dialing. > > I have no trouble to get pppd to demand->dial, its the und

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Thanasis Kinias
scripsit Roberto Sanchez: > I'm sorry but you are way off base. A lawyer that does pro bono work, > or a doctor that volunteers at a public clinic, is not absolved of > maintaining proper documentation (case files or medical charts). Just to offer a different perspective: One might conceive

Kernel-HOWTO has been removed for review

2003-12-11 Thread tripolar
I am familiar with compiling kernel #make menuconfig #make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install does this process work for debian? I usually download kernel from kernel.org but I will use apt-get install new kernel if I am confident that I wont break anything :

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Paul E Condon
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 02:15:24PM -0700, s. keeling wrote: > Incoming from Richard Kimber: > > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:07:23 -0600 > > "Michael Martinell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > That's why the people doing the documentation should be the power-user > > > who is not familiar with ever

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 at 21:48 GMT, Richard Kimber penned: > >> If I were being paid to do this kind of thing, my boss might have a >> more convincing argument as to why I should document my work. >> However, for something I'm giving away for nothing, there's no such >> obligation that I can see. >

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Roberto Sanchez
s. keeling wrote: Incoming from Richard Kimber: Obligation? What about a sense of pride in having done something well? He did do it well! It works! Oh, "well" for you means fully documented so Aunt Tilley can use it? I disagree. If you disagree with me, you're free to change that. LDP. Plea

Re: Bootup Freezes

2003-12-11 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 at 19:11 GMT, Thomas H. George penned: >> >> You might try booting a few times from a Knoppix CD, just to >> eliminate hardware problems. >> >> I started having similar problems a few weeks ago. I finally tried >> Knoppix, and found it froze the box also, and after some more >

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Roberto Sanchez: > s. keeling wrote: > >Go join the LDP and fix this apparent deficiency yourself if you think > >it's a problem. > > professionals. I would think that if you are just going to half-ass > the job the community would be better off without your "efforts." Be careful w

a modest proposal (was: Linux is not for consumers!)

2003-12-11 Thread Lucas Bergman
Richard Kimber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Robert L. Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > [ missing attribution: Learn to quote! ] > > > > > No, its not for consumers. Well, at least Debian is not. Perhaps > > > Mandrake or SuSE, where you can pay for support, is what you're > > > looking fo

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 at 20:11 GMT, Richard Kimber penned: >> >> In many cases it will remain poor until people report what they found >> confusing about it - it's sometimes hard to document something you >> wrote in a way that somebody unfamiliar with it can understand. > > People do. Their confus

dissapearing sound

2003-12-11 Thread techlists
A while back I seem to remember someone had a problem with KDE sound working, and then every so often it would just stop working Since upgrading from woody to sid I have been experiencing this problem. Is this a known problem, and if so is there a fix? and if not, how do I re-initialize sound wi

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Roberto Sanchez
s. keeling wrote: Incoming from Richard Kimber: On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:07:23 -0600 "Michael Martinell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's why the people doing the documentation should be the power-user who is not familiar with every intricate detail, and has had to struggle and learn the system.

Re: OT: Lindows based on Debian? (Re: Linux is not for consumers!)

2003-12-11 Thread Roberto Sanchez
Lance Simmons wrote: * David Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [031211 13:48]: Actually, Michael Robertson is trying to sell his Debian based linux to consumers. Is it possible to take a Lindows installation and convert it over to Debian sid or testing? That would make it a lot more attractive. Yes.

configuring jabber conferences (was: Re: jabber)

2003-12-11 Thread Paul Smith
Sorry to hijack this thread, but I've searched high and low and I can't find what I'm looking for. So, I set up a Jabber server on my Debian box and it's all good. I put in mu-conference in there, and that's good too. Now, how do I create rooms?!?! Using GAIM I can create a temporary room, but

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 at 22:12 GMT, David Palmer. penned: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:50:11 -0500 "H. S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Paul E Condon wrote: >> >> > Documenting software is like writing a good text book. The author >> > must get in touch with his "inner Dummy" and speak to his need

Re: My email is rejected by some sites

2003-12-11 Thread Thanasis Kinias
scripsit Adam: > Which may or may not be reliable. My ISP's mailservers are reliable > _most_ of the time -- but when they are not, they do not return > warning messages until they bounce the mail after 48 hours on the > queue. Try Cox. In their latest episode of incompetence, there was no war

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Richard Kimber
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:58:25 -0700 "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Programmers need no excuse for this. They know how it works. If > > > you think it needs documentation, go ahead and write it. > > > > Aren't you missing the point that you need to understand it before you > > can

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread Erik Steffl
Richard Kimber wrote: On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:15:24 -0700 "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This sounds like an excuse for programmers not to document their programs. Programmers need no excuse for this. They know how it works. If you think it needs documentation, go ahead and write it. ...

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

2003-12-11 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Richard Kimber: > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:15:24 -0700 > "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > This sounds like an excuse for programmers not to document their > > > programs. > > > > Programmers need no excuse for this. They know how it works. If you > > think it needs do

Re: My email is rejected by some sites

2003-12-11 Thread Adam
On Thursday 11 December 2003 21:10, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: > Hi, > > Am Do, den 11.12.2003 schrieb Antonio Rodr um 21:32: >> I have exim set in my sid machine, with mutt as MUA. Some isps are >> rejecting my emails. I have looked at the reason provided, it seems that >> some have blocked the

Re: Documentation and technical posts

2003-12-11 Thread David Baron
Tagging might be a decent idea. Then the mailer could pre-sort them. It might also be desirable to have several digests for interests in differing areas. Sort of like the compuserve forums (there is still one for Linux!). This is a VERY active list so some sort of division or pre-sort might be of h

Re: Firebird losing toolbar configuration after restart

2003-12-11 Thread Terry Hancock
Some relevant bug reports -- these appear to coincide with the problem I described: http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123929 http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=203343 http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=223162 http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=192425 Since it

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