Re: port forwarding issues

2003-07-01 Thread Horst Pflugstaedt
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 05:52:35PM +0200, Peter A. Felvegi wrote: > > hello! > > i'm about to set up port forwarding on a firewall to be able to reach > some hosts on the lan from the outside. i wish to use iptables prerouting > rules. my question is, is there a way to detect the port forwarding

Re: samba woody

2003-07-01 Thread J . Reilink
- Original message - On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 00:39:29 +0200 (CEST) Bencsath Boldizsar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > > Do You (We) really surely want to include buggy samba 2.2.3a-12, more > than half year old in 'testing' release? > I already know one guy wi

xfree86 4.2.1-9, cve CAN-2003-0063 and CAN-2003-0071

2003-07-01 Thread Drew Scott Daniels
According to http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xfree86/news/1.html xfree86 4.2.1-9 fixes some security issues (just in xterm?) along with doing some other things. Drew Daniels

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 05:57:27PM +0200, Tomasz Papszun wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 at 22:39:15 -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > Not really a good idea. Consider what happens when someone forges the IP > > addresses. > > One can predefine trusted or other very important IP addresses which > ca

Re: Why is proftpd always started when one update it?

2003-07-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 05:49:58PM +0200, Philippe Marzouk wrote: > I agree with you for the /etc/rcX.d symlinks but various packages (not > sure about proftpd) start their daemon when upgraded even if it was not > started before and there is no start link in /etc/rcX.d, only stop links : > I had

Re: port forwarding issues

2003-07-01 Thread Paul Hink
Peter A. Felvegi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i'm about to set up port forwarding on a firewall to be able to reach > some hosts on the lan from the outside. i wish to use iptables prerouting > rules. my question is, is there a way to detect the port forwarding, > and/or get info about the host i

Re: Strongest linux

2003-07-01 Thread valerian
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 02:36:37PM +0200, Javier Castillo Alcibar wrote: > Hi all, > > I want to setup a new linux server in internet (apache, php, postfix, > mysql, dns...), and I would like to patch the standard kernel with some > security patches. but my question is, what patches are the be

Re: port forwarding issues

2003-07-01 Thread Horst Pflugstaedt
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 05:52:35PM +0200, Peter A. Felvegi wrote: > > hello! > > i'm about to set up port forwarding on a firewall to be able to reach > some hosts on the lan from the outside. i wish to use iptables prerouting > rules. my question is, is there a way to detect the port forwarding

Re: samba woody

2003-07-01 Thread J . Reilink
- Original message - On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 00:39:29 +0200 (CEST) Bencsath Boldizsar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > > Do You (We) really surely want to include buggy samba 2.2.3a-12, more > than half year old in 'testing' release? > I already know one guy wi

xfree86 4.2.1-9, cve CAN-2003-0063 and CAN-2003-0071

2003-07-01 Thread Drew Scott Daniels
According to http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xfree86/news/1.html xfree86 4.2.1-9 fixes some security issues (just in xterm?) along with doing some other things. Drew Daniels -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 05:57:27PM +0200, Tomasz Papszun wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 at 22:39:15 -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > Not really a good idea. Consider what happens when someone forges the IP > > addresses. > > One can predefine trusted or other very important IP addresses which > ca

Re: Why is proftpd always started when one update it?

2003-07-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 05:49:58PM +0200, Philippe Marzouk wrote: > I agree with you for the /etc/rcX.d symlinks but various packages (not > sure about proftpd) start their daemon when upgraded even if it was not > started before and there is no start link in /etc/rcX.d, only stop links : > I had

Re: port forwarding issues

2003-07-01 Thread Paul Hink
Peter A. Felvegi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i'm about to set up port forwarding on a firewall to be able to reach > some hosts on the lan from the outside. i wish to use iptables prerouting > rules. my question is, is there a way to detect the port forwarding, > and/or get info about the host i

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread nicole
At 22:39 on Jun 30, Matt Zimmerman shook the earth with: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Phillip Hofmeister wrote: > > > Are there any projects out there to do this right now. If not, is this > > a good idea? If it is who would be a person/group that would be > > qualified and have

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Thomas Ritter
> A daemon sits running in the background listening to a special device > Are there any projects out there to do this right now. If not, is this > a good idea? If it is who would be a person/group that would be > qualified and have the time/interest to develop it. Abacus Portsentry binds itself

Re: Strongest linux

2003-07-01 Thread valerian
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 02:36:37PM +0200, Javier Castillo Alcibar wrote: > Hi all, > > I want to setup a new linux server in internet (apache, php, postfix, > mysql, dns...), and I would like to patch the standard kernel with some > security patches. but my question is, what patches are the be

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Thomas Bechtold
Look snort 2.0.0 [1] It's an Intrusion Detection System. Theres an Preprozessor for Snort called 'Guardian'[2] to do things like you want. But read the other answers in this thread carefully! Thomas Bechtold [1] http://snort.org [2] http://www.chaotic.org/guardian/ On Tuesday 01 July 2003 00:

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias
On Martes, 1 de Julio de 2003 04:39, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Phillip Hofmeister wrote: > > A daemon sits running in the background listening to a special device > > (/dev) or an IPC which would originate from syslog-ng. This daemon > > would then parse the

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread nicole
At 22:39 on Jun 30, Matt Zimmerman shook the earth with: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Phillip Hofmeister wrote: > > > Are there any projects out there to do this right now. If not, is this > > a good idea? If it is who would be a person/group that would be > > qualified and have

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Thomas Ritter
> A daemon sits running in the background listening to a special device > Are there any projects out there to do this right now. If not, is this > a good idea? If it is who would be a person/group that would be > qualified and have the time/interest to develop it. Abacus Portsentry binds itself

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Thomas Bechtold
Look snort 2.0.0 [1] It's an Intrusion Detection System. Theres an Preprozessor for Snort called 'Guardian'[2] to do things like you want. But read the other answers in this thread carefully! Thomas Bechtold [1] http://snort.org [2] http://www.chaotic.org/guardian/ On Tuesday 01 July 2003 00:

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Tomasz Papszun
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 at 22:39:15 -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Phillip Hofmeister wrote: > > > A daemon sits running in the background listening to a special device > > (/dev) or an IPC which would originate from syslog-ng. This daemon > > would then pars

Re: crypto filesystem

2003-07-01 Thread Christian Kujau
Dale Amon wrote: You should probably go over to linux-crypto. If it's loop-aes, ask Jaari; otherwise one of the others might. yes, i've done so and Jari was as helpful as you said :-) Thanks, Christian. -- BOFH excuse #413: Cow-tippers tipped a cow onto the server.

Re: Why is proftpd always started when one update it?

2003-07-01 Thread Philippe Marzouk
Matt Zimmerman a dit : > On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 12:51:46PM -0500, CARMICHAEL, SHAWN (ASI) wrote: > >> That occurs because that is how it is packaged in the .deb when you >> download >> and update it. Unless you package your own from source there is no work >> around. > > There is no need for a wor

Re: request to german speaking users

2003-07-01 Thread Christian Kujau
Christoph Haas wrote: hm, patches. i'm not good at creating patches. would it help too if i/we send you "this word, sentence, page XX.." and the like? That's a terrible burden for Alexander to create text from it. Please get the docbook formatted code and do a revision. Then just do a "diff" an

port forwarding issues

2003-07-01 Thread Peter A. Felvegi
hello! i'm about to set up port forwarding on a firewall to be able to reach some hosts on the lan from the outside. i wish to use iptables prerouting rules. my question is, is there a way to detect the port forwarding, and/or get info about the host i forward to (ip address mainly) ? i mean: is

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Luis Gomez - InfoEmergencias
On Martes, 1 de Julio de 2003 04:39, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Phillip Hofmeister wrote: > > A daemon sits running in the background listening to a special device > > (/dev) or an IPC which would originate from syslog-ng. This daemon > > would then parse the

Re: Announcement: APT Secure

2003-07-01 Thread Jason Lunz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > That answer is pretty easy to find, too. Look at the description of the > debian-keyring package. "The Debian project wants developers to digitally sign the announcements of their packages with GnuPG, to protect against forgeries. This package contains keyrings of GnuPG

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Lucio
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Volker Tanger said: > ...which is the official license to shoot yourself into the foot. What > happens if I send you a forged, suspicious packet with source-IP equal > to the IP address of your gateway router, your DNS server, your internal > system(s

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Christoph Haas
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 10:22:33AM +0200, Volker Tanger wrote: > ...which is the official license to shoot yourself into the foot. What > happens if I send you a forged, suspicious packet with source-IP equal > to the IP address of your gateway router, your DNS server, your internal > system(s), ..

Strongest linux

2003-07-01 Thread Javier Castillo Alcibar
Hi all, I want to setup a new linux server in internet (apache, php, postfix, mysql, dns...), and I would like to patch the standard kernel with some security patches. but my question is, what patches are the best?? - Openwall ?? - TrustedDebian ?? - LIDS?? Any suggestions?? thx a

Re: samba woody

2003-07-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 12:47:36PM +0200, Boldizsar BENCSATH wrote: > What about something like this 5-minutes-change?: > > Template: samba/security_warning > Type: boolean > Default: false > Description: Warning! Serious Warning! > This version of samba contains remotely exploitable SERIOUS > v

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Tomasz Papszun
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 at 22:39:15 -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Phillip Hofmeister wrote: > > > A daemon sits running in the background listening to a special device > > (/dev) or an IPC which would originate from syslog-ng. This daemon > > would then pars

Re: crypto filesystem

2003-07-01 Thread Christian Kujau
Dale Amon wrote: You should probably go over to linux-crypto. If it's loop-aes, ask Jaari; otherwise one of the others might. yes, i've done so and Jari was as helpful as you said :-) Thanks, Christian. -- BOFH excuse #413: Cow-tippers tipped a cow onto the server. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [E

Re: request to german speaking users

2003-07-01 Thread Christian Kujau
Christoph Haas wrote: hm, patches. i'm not good at creating patches. would it help too if i/we send you "this word, sentence, page XX.." and the like? That's a terrible burden for Alexander to create text from it. Please get the docbook formatted code and do a revision. Then just do a "diff" and s

Re: Why is proftpd always started when one update it?

2003-07-01 Thread Philippe Marzouk
Matt Zimmerman a dit : > On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 12:51:46PM -0500, CARMICHAEL, SHAWN (ASI) wrote: > >> That occurs because that is how it is packaged in the .deb when you >> download >> and update it. Unless you package your own from source there is no work >> around. > > There is no need for a wor

port forwarding issues

2003-07-01 Thread Peter A. Felvegi
hello! i'm about to set up port forwarding on a firewall to be able to reach some hosts on the lan from the outside. i wish to use iptables prerouting rules. my question is, is there a way to detect the port forwarding, and/or get info about the host i forward to (ip address mainly) ? i mean: is

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Jordan Lederman
Check out psad, which is similar to what you want (and I use it)... You can see psad at http://www.cipherdyne.com/psad/, which is somehow related to Bastille Linux http://www.bastille-linux.org/. Or just apt-get install psad. --jordan On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Philli

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Lars Ellenberg
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Phillip Hofmeister wrote: > A daemon sits running in the background listening to a special device > (/dev) or an IPC which would originate from syslog-ng. This daemon > would then parse the log and look for suspicious things. If it found > something suspi

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Thomas Bechtold
Hi, There is an Intrusion Detection System(IDS) named Snort (http://www.snort.org) There you can log to syslog, database, tcpdump-file,... And there are some Preprozessors which can block 'bad' Traffic. Snort can do much more. Read the FAQ http://www.snort.org/docs/FAQ.txt Thomas Bechtold On Tue

Re: Announcement: APT Secure

2003-07-01 Thread Jason Lunz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > That answer is pretty easy to find, too. Look at the description of the > debian-keyring package. "The Debian project wants developers to digitally sign the announcements of their packages with GnuPG, to protect against forgeries. This package contains keyrings of GnuPG

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Lucio
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Volker Tanger said: > ...which is the official license to shoot yourself into the foot. What > happens if I send you a forged, suspicious packet with source-IP equal > to the IP address of your gateway router, your DNS server, your internal > system(s

Re: samba woody

2003-07-01 Thread Boldizsar BENCSATH
What about something like this 5-minutes-change?: Template: samba/security_warning Type: boolean Default: false Description: Warning! Serious Warning! This version of samba contains remotely exploitable SERIOUS vulnerabilities! If you continue the install You will be definetly target of CRACKING

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Christoph Haas
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 10:22:33AM +0200, Volker Tanger wrote: > ...which is the official license to shoot yourself into the foot. What > happens if I send you a forged, suspicious packet with source-IP equal > to the IP address of your gateway router, your DNS server, your internal > system(s), ..

Strongest linux

2003-07-01 Thread Javier Castillo Alcibar
Hi all, I want to setup a new linux server in internet (apache, php, postfix, mysql, dns...), and I would like to patch the standard kernel with some security patches. but my question is, what patches are the best?? - Openwall ?? - TrustedDebian ?? - LIDS?? Any suggestions?? thx a

Re: samba woody

2003-07-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 12:39:29AM +0200, Bencsath Boldizsar wrote: > Do You (We) really surely want to include buggy samba 2.2.3a-12, more than > half year old in 'testing' release? > I already know one guy with a 1 week old 'testing' debian hacked through > samba. (I know, it's -12.3 on security

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Phillip Hofmeister wrote: > A daemon sits running in the background listening to a special device > (/dev) or an IPC which would originate from syslog-ng. This daemon > would then parse the log and look for suspicious things. If it found > something susp

Re: Why is proftpd always started when one update it?

2003-07-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 12:51:46PM -0500, CARMICHAEL, SHAWN (ASI) wrote: > That occurs because that is how it is packaged in the .deb when you download > and update it. Unless you package your own from source there is no work > around. There is no need for a work-around. What is needed is to rea

Re: samba woody

2003-07-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 12:47:36PM +0200, Boldizsar BENCSATH wrote: > What about something like this 5-minutes-change?: > > Template: samba/security_warning > Type: boolean > Default: false > Description: Warning! Serious Warning! > This version of samba contains remotely exploitable SERIOUS > v

Re: FTP servers that ban abusers?

2003-07-01 Thread Jens Gutzeit
Hmm, seems the list has lost my earlier mail, second try. Sorry for possible double posts. On Monday 30 June 2003 17:22, Andrew Sayers wrote: > Ideally. whenever someone tries to FTP in as root, ftp, backup, or some > other administrative account, I'd like iptables to DROP further incoming > FTP

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Jordan Lederman
Check out psad, which is similar to what you want (and I use it)... You can see psad at http://www.cipherdyne.com/psad/, which is somehow related to Bastille Linux http://www.bastille-linux.org/. Or just apt-get install psad. --jordan On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Philli

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Lars Ellenberg
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Phillip Hofmeister wrote: > A daemon sits running in the background listening to a special device > (/dev) or an IPC which would originate from syslog-ng. This daemon > would then parse the log and look for suspicious things. If it found > something suspi

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Thomas Bechtold
Hi, There is an Intrusion Detection System(IDS) named Snort (http://www.snort.org) There you can log to syslog, database, tcpdump-file,... And there are some Preprozessors which can block 'bad' Traffic. Snort can do much more. Read the FAQ http://www.snort.org/docs/FAQ.txt Thomas Bechtold On Tue

Re: samba woody

2003-07-01 Thread Boldizsar BENCSATH
What about something like this 5-minutes-change?: Template: samba/security_warning Type: boolean Default: false Description: Warning! Serious Warning! This version of samba contains remotely exploitable SERIOUS vulnerabilities! If you continue the install You will be definetly target of CRACKING

Re: samba woody

2003-07-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 12:39:29AM +0200, Bencsath Boldizsar wrote: > Do You (We) really surely want to include buggy samba 2.2.3a-12, more than > half year old in 'testing' release? > I already know one guy with a 1 week old 'testing' debian hacked through > samba. (I know, it's -12.3 on security

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 06:38:33PM -0400, Phillip Hofmeister wrote: > A daemon sits running in the background listening to a special device > (/dev) or an IPC which would originate from syslog-ng. This daemon > would then parse the log and look for suspicious things. If it found > something susp

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Volker Tanger
Greetings! On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:38:33 -0400 Phillip Hofmeister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This daemon > would then parse the log and look for suspicious things. If it found > something suspicious it would use regular expression to grab out > pertinent parts of the log (say the IP address) an

Re: Why is proftpd always started when one update it?

2003-07-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 12:51:46PM -0500, CARMICHAEL, SHAWN (ASI) wrote: > That occurs because that is how it is packaged in the .deb when you download > and update it. Unless you package your own from source there is no work > around. There is no need for a work-around. What is needed is to rea

Re: FTP servers that ban abusers?

2003-07-01 Thread Jens Gutzeit
Hmm, seems the list has lost my earlier mail, second try. Sorry for possible double posts. On Monday 30 June 2003 17:22, Andrew Sayers wrote: > Ideally. whenever someone tries to FTP in as root, ftp, backup, or some > other administrative account, I'd like iptables to DROP further incoming > FTP

Re: Why is proftpd always started when one update it?

2003-07-01 Thread Preben Randhol
Ted Cabeen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 01/07/2003 (08:14) : > Individual admins are not supposed to use update-rc.d to disable a > packaged program from starting. I got told earlier that I should use the update tools when doing changes. > update-rc.d is supposed to be for the use of the installe

Re: Announcement: APT Secure

2003-07-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 04:16:39PM +, Jason Lunz wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > >> Where should I get the key? And why isn't it in debian-keyring? I've got > >> the current sid version. > > > > http://www.debian.org/releases/ > > Well, that wasn't too hard to find, of course. The "where"

Re: OT: An Idea for an IDS

2003-07-01 Thread Volker Tanger
Greetings! On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:38:33 -0400 Phillip Hofmeister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This daemon > would then parse the log and look for suspicious things. If it found > something suspicious it would use regular expression to grab out > pertinent parts of the log (say the IP address) an

Re: Why is proftpd always started when one update it?

2003-07-01 Thread Preben Randhol
Ted Cabeen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 01/07/2003 (08:14) : > Individual admins are not supposed to use update-rc.d to disable a > packaged program from starting. I got told earlier that I should use the update tools when doing changes. > update-rc.d is supposed to be for the use of the installe

Re: Announcement: APT Secure

2003-07-01 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 04:16:39PM +, Jason Lunz wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > >> Where should I get the key? And why isn't it in debian-keyring? I've got > >> the current sid version. > > > > http://www.debian.org/releases/ > > Well, that wasn't too hard to find, of course. The "where"

Re: Accounts for client programs

2003-07-01 Thread Peter Cordes
On Sun, Jun 29, 2003 at 11:22:42PM -0700, Simon Kirby wrote: > It's probably possible for something to overflow an X packet or something > in the middle and obtain root by opening a new shell and issuing > commands, or maybe it's even possible for X clients to fake keystrokes to > other windows, bu

Re: Accounts for client programs

2003-07-01 Thread Peter Cordes
On Sun, Jun 29, 2003 at 11:22:42PM -0700, Simon Kirby wrote: > It's probably possible for something to overflow an X packet or something > in the middle and obtain root by opening a new shell and issuing > commands, or maybe it's even possible for X clients to fake keystrokes to > other windows, bu