On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 07:57:05PM -0800, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 03:26:50PM -0800, Petro wrote:
> > But his is hugely off topic, and I'll go no futher down this road.
>
> Could you at least honor my Mail-Followup-To: header?
I would have if I saw it.
Mutt
On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 03:26:50PM -0800, Petro wrote:
> But his is hugely off topic, and I'll go no futher down this road.
Could you at least honor my Mail-Followup-To: header?
Thanks,
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On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 03:26:50PM -0800, Petro wrote:
> But his is hugely off topic, and I'll go no futher down this road.
Could you at least honor my Mail-Followup-To: header?
Thanks,
--
Nathan Norman - Staff Engineer | A good plan today is better
Micromuse Ltd. | than a
>From: John Galt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>delete. You're missing a large point here: root doesn't have to have
RWX
>access on everything to be able to do their job, -WX may do the trick.
So, root does not need total file access in order to do some subset of
functions which you, or the NSA, co
On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 02:14:54PM -0800, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 01:47:40PM -0800, Petro wrote:
> > > enviroments and applications to figure out what it takes to make a
> > > system really consistent and usable for you. Even if you pick some
> > > things that aren't qui
On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 04:14:54PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> Install Netscape 4.x, 6.x, Mozilla, and IE on a windows box.
>
> Good luck expecting the same key strokes to do the same thing in each
> application.
Just tried this (except for Netscape 6.x) -- and at least Ctrl-F,
Ctrl-A, Ctrl-
>From: John Galt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>delete. You're missing a large point here: root doesn't have to have
RWX
>access on everything to be able to do their job, -WX may do the trick.
So, root does not need total file access in order to do some subset of
functions which you, or the NSA, c
On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 01:47:40PM -0800, Petro wrote:
> > enviroments and applications to figure out what it takes to make a
> > system really consistent and usable for you. Even if you pick some
> > things that aren't quite finished as part of your enviroment, if they
> > are part of an activ
On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 12:46:21PM -0800, James Hamilton wrote:
> My Gnome/X/Debian GNU/Linux Desktop is much "slicker" than
> anything I have ever been able to do with Windows. The Gnome
> apps have a fairly consistent interface as well. There is a steeper and
> longer learning curve to learn h
On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 02:14:54PM -0800, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 01:47:40PM -0800, Petro wrote:
> > > enviroments and applications to figure out what it takes to make a
> > > system really consistent and usable for you. Even if you pick some
> > > things that aren't qu
On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 04:14:54PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> Install Netscape 4.x, 6.x, Mozilla, and IE on a windows box.
>
> Good luck expecting the same key strokes to do the same thing in each
> application.
Just tried this (except for Netscape 6.x) -- and at least Ctrl-F,
Ctrl-A, Ctrl
My Gnome/X/Debian GNU/Linux Desktop is much "slicker" than
anything I have ever been able to do with Windows. The Gnome
apps have a fairly consistent interface as well. There is a steeper and
longer learning curve to learn how to really use X and Unix, but I would
say that is an asset for member
> "Petro" == Petro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I am just dying to find out why this is so. I find the unices I
>> work with to be much more usable than any incarnation of
>> Windows. So what exactly do you put into 'usability'?
Petro> Consistency of UI, availibility and integration of
Hi,
> >Root Is God. This is a multi-user, full-time, "networked" device. Root
> >bears the responsibility of everything that happens to that machine.
> >They are answerable to everyone, not just one user.
>
> No, root had best not be god. NSA Rainbow book pretty much states that
> for C systems t
On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 12:30:34AM -0800, Martin Christensen wrote:
> > "Petro" == Petro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Petro> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:24:05AM +0900, Howland, Curtis
> Petro> wrote:
> >> ps: From a personal perspective, I think Linux is about where
> >> Windows 3.0 was. This
On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 01:47:40PM -0800, Petro wrote:
> > enviroments and applications to figure out what it takes to make a
> > system really consistent and usable for you. Even if you pick some
> > things that aren't quite finished as part of your enviroment, if they
> > are part of an acti
On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 12:46:21PM -0800, James Hamilton wrote:
> My Gnome/X/Debian GNU/Linux Desktop is much "slicker" than
> anything I have ever been able to do with Windows. The Gnome
> apps have a fairly consistent interface as well. There is a steeper and
> longer learning curve to learn
On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Howland, Curtis wrote:
>To be blunt, I don't think one can entirely protect ones self from root,
>nor do I believe it's an "All Good" idea.
>
>Root Is God. This is a multi-user, full-time, "networked" device. Root
>bears the responsibility of everything that happens to that ma
My Gnome/X/Debian GNU/Linux Desktop is much "slicker" than
anything I have ever been able to do with Windows. The Gnome
apps have a fairly consistent interface as well. There is a steeper and
longer learning curve to learn how to really use X and Unix, but I would
say that is an asset for membe
> "Petro" == Petro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I am just dying to find out why this is so. I find the unices I
>> work with to be much more usable than any incarnation of
>> Windows. So what exactly do you put into 'usability'?
Petro> Consistency of UI, availibility and integration of
Hi,
> >Root Is God. This is a multi-user, full-time, "networked" device. Root
> >bears the responsibility of everything that happens to that machine.
> >They are answerable to everyone, not just one user.
>
> No, root had best not be god. NSA Rainbow book pretty much states that
> for C systems
On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 12:30:34AM -0800, Martin Christensen wrote:
> > "Petro" == Petro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Petro> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:24:05AM +0900, Howland, Curtis
> Petro> wrote:
> >> ps: From a personal perspective, I think Linux is about where
> >> Windows 3.0 was. This
On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:30:34AM +0100, Martin Christensen typed out the
following...
> > "Petro" == Petro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Petro> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:24:05AM +0900, Howland, Curtis
> Petro> wrote:
> >> ps: From a personal perspective, I think Linux is about where
> >> W
On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Howland, Curtis wrote:
>To be blunt, I don't think one can entirely protect ones self from root,
>nor do I believe it's an "All Good" idea.
>
>Root Is God. This is a multi-user, full-time, "networked" device. Root
>bears the responsibility of everything that happens to that m
> "Petro" == Petro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Petro> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:24:05AM +0900, Howland, Curtis
Petro> wrote:
>> ps: From a personal perspective, I think Linux is about where
>> Windows 3.0 was. This is not a troll, just a usability thing.
Petro> No, it's about where win3.1
On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 09:30:34AM +0100, Martin Christensen typed out the following...
> > "Petro" == Petro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Petro> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:24:05AM +0900, Howland, Curtis
> Petro> wrote:
> >> ps: From a personal perspective, I think Linux is about where
> >> W
> "Petro" == Petro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Petro> On Mon, Nov 19, 2001 at 10:24:05AM +0900, Howland, Curtis
Petro> wrote:
>> ps: From a personal perspective, I think Linux is about where
>> Windows 3.0 was. This is not a troll, just a usability thing.
Petro> No, it's about where win3.
> I don't know much about exim's guts, but is there a point in starting it
> as "mail" if it's SUID root?
> -rwsr-xr-x1 root root 466308 sie 15 01:13 /usr/sbin/exim
There is a "small" point of binding to port 25. Only root can do
that. I have not looked at exim's code, but if run a
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