Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-16 Thread Tille, Andreas
On Wed, 15 May 2002, Anthony Towns wrote: > Do you really consider Andreas' message a productive thing to be doing > now? Let's recall some key phrases: "[...] it really seems that > ftpmaster > ([and the] release manager) are obviously overloaded. We have to find > a solution". > > Do you really

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-15 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 07:17:15PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > > > > > Do you really think that a "good attitude" is to continually and > > > > > repeatedly criticise the people doing the work of getting the release > > > > > out > > > > This work is not visible. > > > > > > Not everybody knows

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-15 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 03:23:16AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > > > Do you really think that a "good attitude" is to continually and > > > > > repeatedly criticise the people doing the work of getting the release > > > > > out > > > > This work is not visible. > > > Not everybody knows every

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 07:13:32PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 03:08:47AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > > Do you really think that a "good attitude" is to continually and > > > > repeatedly criticise the people doing the work of getting the release > > > > out > > > Thi

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-15 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 07:13:32PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > > > > Do you really think that a "good attitude" is to continually and > > > > repeatedly criticise the people doing the work of getting the release > > > > out > > > This work is not visible. > > > > Not everybody knows everything t

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-15 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 03:08:47AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > Do you really think that a "good attitude" is to continually and > > > repeatedly criticise the people doing the work of getting the release out > > This work is not visible. > > Not everybody knows everything that happens. Sorr

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 06:35:18PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 01:32:06AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > Do you really think that a "good attitude" is to continually and > > repeatedly criticise the people doing the work of getting the release out > This work is not visible

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-15 Thread Josip Rodin
On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 01:32:06AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > Do you really think that a "good attitude" is to continually and > repeatedly criticise the people doing the work of getting the release out This work is not visible. It is irrational to expect people to be supportive little sheep wh

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 01:09:55AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Is there some other strategy he should use? Yes. Patience. All good things come to those who wait. While "whine" also starts with a "w", it doesn't work anywhere near as well. > I have no idea how to make things better. A

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 01:14:34AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > I think it would have been better to say to him "I'm sorry, no." It might've been better, but it would also be wrong. It's not remotely clear what the decision on such things will be, nor what should be done about them. When i

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-15 Thread Tille, Andreas
On Wed, 15 May 2002, Anthony Towns wrote: > And, just to expound upon that before we drop further into the usual > sort of self-righteousness these threads evoke, you do _not_ know > what you're talking about at all. Perhaps. But doing the very same thing on one package but refusing to do it onto

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Anthony Towns writes: > If people are busy doing productive things that you want to have happen > faster or more reliably or more professionally, do _not_ try to distract > them with an idiotic flamewar --- least of all one that's been done > to death twice already. It's a _very_ simple rule, wit

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 01:03:24AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Anthony Towns writes: > > And, just to expound upon that before we drop further into the usual > > sort of self-righteousness these threads evoke, you do _not_ know > > what you're talking about at all. Right now, eg, much of

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Anthony Towns writes: > And, just to expound upon that before we drop further into the usual > sort of self-righteousness these threads evoke, you do _not_ know > what you're talking about at all. Right now, eg, much of ftpmaster is > working on fixing the security infrastructure. When people m

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 12:49:33AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Anthony Towns writes: > > Everyone's an expert. > You know, your attitude is really not helpful. And, after replying to this in private, I discover Thomas is _still_ Cc'ing me on mailing list messages, in spite of: X-No-CC

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Anthony Towns writes: > Everyone's an expert. You know, your attitude is really not helpful. You responded to a courteous message, one which thanked you for doing a difficult job well, and you comment with something snide like this. And it comes amidst an attitude of utter refusal to explain a

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 05:40:04PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:05:46AM +0200, Tille, Andreas wrote: > > On Tue, 14 May 2002, Josip Rodin wrote: > > > > What would you do if you would get more mail you'd have to reply to > > > > than you can actually reply to? > > > Make

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-15 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:05:46AM +0200, Tille, Andreas wrote: > On Tue, 14 May 2002, Josip Rodin wrote: > > > What would you do if you would get more mail you'd have to reply to > > > than you can actually reply to? > > Make announcements. :p > As I tried to make clear (hopefully) carefully and p

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-15 Thread Tille, Andreas
On Tue, 14 May 2002, Josip Rodin wrote: > > What would you do if you would get more mail you'd have to reply to > > than you can actually reply to? > > Make announcements. :p As I tried to make clear (hopefully) carefully and politely tried to show in a mail to debian-private it really seems that

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-14 Thread Nicolas Chauvat
Martin Schulze wrote: Jérôme Marant wrote: Anthony seems to select people he bother replying to. *Shrug* What would you do if you would get more mail you'd have to reply to than you can actually reply to? Ask for help in order to share the workload of course ! That's the advantage we ha

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-14 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 06:33:40PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > > Anthony seems to select people he bother replying to. *Shrug* > > What would you do if you would get more mail you'd have to reply to > than you can actually reply to? Make announcements. :p -- 2. That which causes joy

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-14 Thread Jérôme Marant
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Jérôme Marant wrote: >> Anthony seems to select people he bother replying to. *Shrug* > > What would you do if you would get more mail you'd have to reply to > than you can actually reply to? It would simply mean that this is too much work for a

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-14 Thread Martin Schulze
Jérôme Marant wrote: > Anthony seems to select people he bother replying to. *Shrug* What would you do if you would get more mail you'd have to reply to than you can actually reply to? Regards, Joey -- No question is too silly to ask, but, of course, some are too silly to answer.

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-12 Thread Jérôme Marant
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> sympa: sympa, wwsympa >> python-xml-0.6: python-xml-0.6, python2.1-xml-0.6, xbel-utils-0.6 >> python-xml: python-xml python2.1-xml python2.2-xml xbel xbel-utils >> python-4suite : python-4suite, python2.1-4suite python2.2-4suite >>

Re: Last minute package update request

2002-05-05 Thread Martin Schulze
Jérôme Marant wrote: > > Hi, > > Must of my package were broken since I get recently important > fixes to important bugs: > > sympa: sympa, wwsympa > python-xml-0.6: python-xml-0.6, python2.1-xml-0.6, xbel-utils-0.6 > python-xml: python-xml python2.1-xml python2.2-xml xbel

Last minute package update request

2002-05-01 Thread Jérôme Marant
Hi, Must of my package were broken since I get recently important fixes to important bugs: sympa: sympa, wwsympa python-xml-0.6: python-xml-0.6, python2.1-xml-0.6, xbel-utils-0.6 python-xml: python-xml python2.1-xml python2.2-xml xbel xbel-utils python-4suite : python-4s