I know I'm a broken record on this, and I (currently ;) have very little power
to do much about it other than *talk*, but...
On May 11, 2010, at 10:18 PM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
>Why am I mentioning Ubuntu at all? Because all decisions about Python in
>Debian are made there.
My own personal hope
On May 18, 2010, at 11:42 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote:
>On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
>>
>> Why I think derivatives should not add new versions?
>> * because it's mostly chasing numbers - I'm pretty sure there are not
>> more than 10 packages that require Python >= 2.6
On May 10, 2010, at 01:23 PM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
>Why I think derivatives should not add new versions?
>* because it's mostly chasing numbers - I'm pretty sure there are not
> more than 10 packages that require Python >= 2.6 and are not easy to
> port to 2.5 in Ubuntu 10.04,
>* because when
Hello
>> The premise of your implication is false.
> Please translate to simple English.
premise: something you base your reasoning on
implication: something you present as true as a result of a reasoning
In other words: Your argument says something that is based on an inexact
thought.
If I un
anatoly techtonik (18/05/2010):
> Please translate to simple English.
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2010/5/11 Piotr Ożarowski :
>
> Why am I mentioning Ubuntu at all? Because all decisions about Python in
> Debian are made there.
>
> Do you still want me to answer your questions or is it clear already why
> I am acting as an asshole?
I can't see an asshole action so fat. The thing that troubles
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 23:01, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Sandro Tosi wrote:
>>
>> Indeed, that's what we expect from the python maintainer:
>>
>> - understand what changes between to major release
>> - prepare a draft for the transition, checking packages that br
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Sandro Tosi wrote:
>
> Indeed, that's what we expect from the python maintainer:
>
> - understand what changes between to major release
> - prepare a draft for the transition, checking packages that brake
> (reporting bugs and hopefully patches)
> - get consensus f
Hello anatoly,
I'm quite tired of your emails where you're only capable of attacking
without being able to provide valuable contributions to Debian. from
my POV, if you don't like know we do things, then help us fix them and
STOP complaining; otherwise, simply choose another distribution and
leave
2010/5/10 Piotr Ożarowski :
>
> I had to explain many times (mostly to Pylons users) why packages not
> touched by Ubuntu developers are not working on Ubuntu, I know the pain.
Why...?
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On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
>
> Why I think derivatives should not add new versions?
> * because it's mostly chasing numbers - I'm pretty sure there are not
> more than 10 packages that require Python >= 2.6 and are not easy to
> port to 2.5 in Ubuntu 10.04,
Backport
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
wrote:
\>> 80kb of duplicated
>> code (even 8Mb) doesn't worth wasted time for troubleshooting in 2010.
>> It may be a reason for security, but why not just let packages
>> register their used version in Debian registry and track it there?
>
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Jakub Wilk wrote:
> * anatoly techtonik , 2010-05-08, 07:16:
>>
>> Cover stdeb (anything else?), the reasons (if any) political and
>> technical, why it (or anything else) can not be used instead
>> unpythonic and unfamiliar make/debhelper stuff. It is not really
>>
Lino,
I started using Debian because I love to see a long list of packages
with new upstream releases available on my hard drive every single
morning. Not just 100 best known applications but every niche
app./library I use. I know they are prepared by either upstream authors
or people who simply u
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 19:51, Lino Mastrodomenico
wrote:
> Disclaimer: I'm a Python developer, not a package maintainer, so take
> what I write with a grain of salt.
>
> 2010/5/10 Piotr Ożarowski :
>> Why I think derivatives should not add new versions?
>> * because it's mostly chasing numbers -
Disclaimer: I'm a Python developer, not a package maintainer, so take
what I write with a grain of salt.
2010/5/10 Piotr Ożarowski :
> Why I think derivatives should not add new versions?
> * because it's mostly chasing numbers - I'm pretty sure there are not
> more than 10 packages that require
On Tue, 11.05.2010 at 00:23:55 +0200, Piotr O??arowski wrote:
> [Toni Mueller, 2010-05-10]
> > PS: The address "www.griffith.cc" that you mention in your .sig, does
> > not resolve, and afair, Berlios is not a good project host.
>
> To which IP your DNS points you to?
Yesterday, it didn't r
[Toni Mueller, 2010-05-10]
> It's still only a problem in Ubuntu until Debian makes a possibly
> similar transition, right?
The problem is it's out of our hands.
> > I want to give Ubuntu CDs to my friends telling them that there are
> > few bits of my work there. I don't want to explain to them
On Mon, 10.05.2010 at 21:17:40 +0200, Piotr O??arowski wrote:
> [Toni Mueller, 2010-05-10]
> > problem. It's their choice to deviate from Debian packaging, so why
> > shouldn't it be also their problem (not ours) if they break stuff, too?
> changes in Python interpreter or python-central are late
[Toni Mueller, 2010-05-10]
> On Mon, 10.05.2010 at 13:23:01 +0200, Piotr O??arowski
> wrote:
> > derivatives what to do, though. I'd never complain in public and would
> > let you do whatever you want (that's derivative's right after all)... if
> > Ubuntu's decisions would not have so strong impa
Hi Piotr,
On Mon, 10.05.2010 at 13:23:01 +0200, Piotr O??arowski wrote:
> derivatives what to do, though. I'd never complain in public and would
> let you do whatever you want (that's derivative's right after all)... if
> Ubuntu's decisions would not have so strong impact on us - when I'm
than
[Barry Warsaw, 2010-05-10]
> Note that today is the first day of the Ubuntu Developer Summit for Ubuntu
> 10.10. On Thursday we are going to have a session to discuss the roadmap for
> Python on Ubuntu and what version(s) we will ship by default in 10.10. I
> invite your constructive input in thi
On May 08, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
>The only reason I got from Ubuntu for doing transitions outside Debian
>and allowing Debian to do it later (and forcing us to fix after them)
>is... "because you are slow". All technical reasons (like relative
>imports in 2.6) were easy to prov
Jakub Wilk writes:
> * Piotr Ożarowski , 2010-05-08, 10:55:
>>The only reason I got from Ubuntu for doing transitions outside Debian
>>and allowing Debian to do it later (and forcing us to fix after them)
>>is... "because you are slow".
>
> That's quite ironic given the fact that the major inhibi
On 05/08/2010 10:55 AM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
> The only reason I got from Ubuntu for doing transitions outside Debian
> and allowing Debian to do it later (and forcing us to fix after them)
> is... "because you are slow".
Of course Ubuntu is faster, they fixed all the python2.6 bug by disabling
Hi anatoly,
On Sat, 08.05.2010 at 07:41:05 +0300, anatoly techtonik
wrote:
> three are used even though only one is default. But there is no
> Python2.6 even in backports on Lenny and I need it for python-expect,
> to automate my stuff. This also requires explanation to refer people
> when they
* Piotr Ożarowski , 2010-05-08, 10:55:
The only reason I got from Ubuntu for doing transitions outside Debian
and allowing Debian to do it later (and forcing us to fix after them)
is... "because you are slow".
That's quite ironic given the fact that the major inhibitor of the
Python 2.6 transi
Hi Piotr,
On Sat, 08.05.2010 at 14:33:39 +0200, Piotr O??arowski wrote:
> [Toni Mueller, 2010-05-08]
> > On Sat, 08.05.2010 at 10:55:40 +0200, Piotr O??arowski
> > wrote:
> > > [anatoly techtonik, 2010-05-08]
> > > > Why not use virtualenv for Packaging applications?
> > >
> > > Every single
[Toni Mueller, 2010-05-08]
> On Sat, 08.05.2010 at 10:55:40 +0200, Piotr O??arowski
> wrote:
> > [anatoly techtonik, 2010-05-08]
> > > Why not use virtualenv for Packaging applications?
> >
> > Every single DD understands that shipping two copies of the same file is
> > one too many.
>
> actual
Hi,
On Sat, 08.05.2010 at 10:55:40 +0200, Piotr O??arowski wrote:
> [anatoly techtonik, 2010-05-08]
> > Why not use virtualenv for Packaging applications?
>
> Every single DD understands that shipping two copies of the same file is
> one too many.
actually, I don't.
Virtualenv has been a lif
* anatoly techtonik , 2010-05-08, 07:16:
Cover stdeb (anything else?), the reasons (if any) political and
technical, why it (or anything else) can not be used instead
unpythonic and unfamiliar make/debhelper stuff. It is not really
helper if no one understands how it works, and it is confusing fo
On 08/05/10 06:41, anatoly techtonik wrote:
> 80kb of duplicated
> code (even 8Mb) doesn't worth wasted time for troubleshooting in 2010.
> It may be a reason for security, but why not just let packages
> register their used version in Debian registry and track it there?
Because if there's a secur
[anatoly techtonik, 2010-05-08]
> Only ideas.
> "Using Python toolchain for Python modules/apps in Debian?"
> Cover stdeb (anything else?), the reasons (if any) political and
> technical, why it (or anything else) can not be used instead
> unpythonic and unfamiliar make/debhelper stuff. It is not r
One more thing for "Python Policy 2010." Status quo with examples.
Trac comes with jQuery suitable for this version of application. But
Debian policy dictates to remove duplicated code, so jQuery is
replaced with some other version rather than required. This creates
problems with plugins and Debia
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Richard Darst wrote:
>
> I was looking through the talks submitted to DebConf, and noticed
> there weren't very many Python related talks. Given the amount there
> is to discuss related to Python in Debian, it would be great to see
> some more submissions.
>
> Per
On May 04, 2010, at 04:20 PM, Richard Darst wrote:
>I was looking through the talks submitted to DebConf, and noticed
>there weren't very many Python related talks. Given the amount there
>is to discuss related to Python in Debian, it would be great to see
>some more submissions.
I wish I could
Hello,
I was looking through the talks submitted to DebConf, and noticed
there weren't very many Python related talks. Given the amount there
is to discuss related to Python in Debian, it would be great to see
some more submissions.
Perhaps the list can suggest some talks and we can nominate som
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