On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:26:20PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...]
> > because the DDs fail to aknowledge the part of responsability they have
> > in this mess in having it let escalate to such dramatic proportions.
>
> I'm wor
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 10:11:01PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070529 22:05]:
> > On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 08:26:20PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > > Please limit the number of posts per day to this thread.
> >
> > Lively discussion
>
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 10:16:39PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tuesday 29 May 2007 22:05, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Lively discussion is a sign of good health in any project;
>
> not always :-)
Well, among all those here, you are the only one who spoke with me at
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 10:17:02PM +0200, Joey Schulze wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> > Care to give me a chance ?
>
> You've had your chances, Sven.
When ?
> You're restarting with the old pattern, always.
>
> > > > you don't like what i h
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 01:15:01PM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Tuesday 29 May 2007 11:58, Sven Luther wrote:
> > You are wrong, you still need a impartial judge. Tell me where in debian
> > i do find such ? That is the main problem, any argumentation is just
> > lost time w
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 10:25:10PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 10:11:01PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> >> * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [070529 22:05]:
> >> > On Tue, May 29,
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 10:31:07PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Openly speaking about a topic is always better than making it a taboo,
> > something to be hidden and ashamed of.
>
> Oftentimes, problems magically resolve
tested, and breads only resentment and escalation, as
was the case here.
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Hello, ...
This is the first time in the over-a-year that i have been banned from the
debian mailing lists that i try to go around the ban to post an appeal to
the whole debian community. And i am sorry to come again with this.
I write this, because even despite what debian has done to me, i sti
, like said, i have been hurt like no other DD has
ever been hurt before me, and each time another stab is taken against me it
is as if the wound is fresh again, and the hurt comes all over again.
Do you really think i deserved this ? Really ?
Please, don't do this anymore, and leave me in peace,
Sadly,
Sven Luther
please be positive about your input, as we are all in
this together and want to solve it, don't we ?
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om the vancouver team though, me guess they will do their stuff
in their corner, let's just hope that it will benefit everyone.
> --- Tapio Lehtonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 12:45:33PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > discussion forward in
On Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 04:31:44PM -0800, Mike Fedyk wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
>
> >Ok, this is the easy part, and also what the vancouver-proposal included,
> >the
> >difference comes in how the minority-arches are handled, and my proposal
> >is a
> >'
later.
I am not sure how we handle this in such cases though. Full main/contrib +
sources is what, 4-5 DVDs by now ?
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On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 11:38:45AM +0100, Floris Bruynooghe wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 10:37:14AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 03:40:57PM +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > > ke, 2005-03-30 kello 14:21 +0200, Frédéric PEREIRA kirjoi
apt-cacher.
Or approx which was just uploaded to NEW, but is also available the
debian-ocaml-maint svn repo on svn.debian.org :)
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knows they are non-free, and don't
blindly use non-free kernel drivers like they do today. I believe it is also
in accord of the results of the non-free GR, which we decided to keep as a
service to our users.
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On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 08:13:37AM -0400, Michael Poole wrote:
> Sven Luther writes:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > In the wake of the discussion about solving the murky non-free binary
> > firmware
> > blobs in our linux kernel issue, there was a proposition to split
s he needs, I would recommend
> apt-get to install packages. I don't use dselect on a regular basis,
> and I have never used aptitude myself.
Not synaptic ?
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t way an overlooked tag would
> lead to failure on the side of caution, and new tags could be added to
> the system without retroactively reclassifying all packages in
> non-free.
Seems cool.
CCing to debian-legal in order to obtain advice on the different terms and
classificatio
> we avoid it by defining what it means... But hey, whatever: other short
> suggestions are good too, I just don't have any.
Then let's give the definition of those categories, and use only 'category 1',
and such for now as names, and we will then afterward look for app
n the above problematic.
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On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 12:44:36PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 09:08:21AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
>
> > As thus i was wondering if, together with the volatile effort, it would not
> > be
> > time for us to split the non-free archive into two pa
On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 02:59:11PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> > 1) non-free-but-freely-distributable
> >
> > Which would hold all the files which are freely distributable, but fail
> one
> > of the freely modificable criterias of t
ports and other areas of
> core infrastructure are in a state of disarray (IMHO).
I think that snapshot.d.n is vital for such case as someone wanting to grab
all the sources corresponding to the installed packages or something such.
I definitively vote for making it official, as well as develop
On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 06:54:06PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
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> On 04-05-2005 12:35, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 12:09:49AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> >
> >>On Mon, Apr 25, 2005 at 08
tic if its a Wireless Card for a Laptop 0 Chance to fund. Not
> exist, its comment if you tray to install by Menue.
My airport (not extreme) card on my powerbook worked just fine when installing
sarge on it.
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wi
d if my children where to be subject
to such a thing, and i would be ashamed to propose debian/sarge to any folk i
know, so i vote for making this issue RC and fixing it, even if it means
delaying the sarge release by a day or so.
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our users", I agree, but the timing of this report
> has been very unfortunate.
So what ? What happened to we will release when we are ready ? And is really
one day more or less or even a week going to be a problem ? Especially given
the legal consequences it can bring to our users and distributors ?
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On Sat, Jun 04, 2005 at 07:38:24PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 04, 2005 at 10:21:09PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 04, 2005 at 06:35:35PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > > Daniel Burrows wrote:
> > > > I don't know what's in t
On Sat, Jun 04, 2005 at 05:47:50PM -0400, Stephen Gran wrote:
> This one time, at band camp, Sven Luther said:
> > This needs to be fixed for sarge, as it will subject random underage
> > people sitting in the same room your computer is in to random porn. I
> > believe th
of it,
> and thus suspect the danger of bad press appearing because of this to
> be very limited.
I doubt that very many redhat entreprise users install it at home or schools
though.
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On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 11:46:43AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> On 10311 March 1977, Sven Luther wrote:
>
> > Do we really want to be responsible for that ? I don't want to, and i
> > suggest
> > all distributors boycott the sarge release if this is not fixed ASAP
nconfigured debian main install be "moral" in this way? (YMMV)
At least one who will be installed in a family setting should. for lone
student hacker or even the workplace it is less of an issue. Now imagine it
being installed at schools or other such places.
Friendly,
Sven Luther
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 09:21:33AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> [Sven Luther]
> > I doubt that very many redhat entreprise users install it at home or
> > schools though.
>
> I don't. :)
>
> Here at the University, we have a license for home users as well.
om images from the web.
>
> So don't install KDE and you're fine.
Sadly, this is not an option, as KDE gets installed by default in the desktop
task, despite repeated people asking that it was not so, it stayed that way.
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On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 11:36:28AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> > This needs to be fixed for sarge, as it will subject random underage people
> > sitting in the same room your computer is in to random porn. I believe th=
> > is is illegal in most countries, an
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 12:54:11PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 11:32:55AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > > My reasoning is roughly:
> > > 1. how much of a problem is WebCollage? (10% porn finds. ow)
> > even 1 is too much in
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 01:20:08PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > So, we will ship a sarge release which will show porn to our kids by
> > default ?
>
> Using a non-default desktop with a non-default screensaver confi
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 01:49:54PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> > > Not if we don't annulate the woody release and fix it in woody as well.
> > >
> > > It's rediculous that a "bug" that is present in woody already which was
t place to discuss this, there are debian user
lists, and if it fails to work, maybe filing a bug report about this problem
against the alsa packages should be the place for this.
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insulted to be taken as spammers
or thereabout. I fully agree with him on that too even.
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f debian. One that does not have source package, or at least not in
the current form (for the GMT-full coastline, that would be 47MB source and
47MB binary). It is OK to create such a section, also required, there is no
reason why data does not have a right to be as neatly packaged as the rest of
debian is. Maybe creating a ftp.data.debian.org or something like that would be
good here.
Friendly,
Sven LUTHER
> Why not allow Source only packages ?
> > > That will win nothing. You can't use apt-get on them, have to rebuilt
> > > and have them twice locally.
you will have to modify apt-get accordyingly, that's all.
Friendly,
Sven LUTHER
section. Also notice that data will mostly not change a lot.
Friendly,
Sven LUTHER
the effort going into this would not be better spent in a more useful
way, but hey, if you can bring this trough, more power to you.
Friendly,
Sven Luther
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 03:03:36PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 02:36:49PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> > [-devel and -vote CCed. Please respect the Mail-Followup-To -project.
> > You should really subscribe to -project, it's not that big. In any case,
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 08:15:42PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 07:48:20PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > What about recomends and suggests of contrib or non-free packages from
> > debian/main ?
>
> How should it handle it?
Well, i would say that r
On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 11:22:28AM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 09:25:32AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 08:15:42PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 07:48:20PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > >
to debian-project rather
> than -legal since -project is more appropriate and might get more
> feedback.
Notice that unlike the Trusted Debian case, Lorenzo seem to be willing for it
to be an officially recognized sub project, like the custom debians are.
Friendly,
Sven Luther
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