On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:16:40 +0100, Anthony Towns
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Sat, Jun 30, 2007 at 10:00:47AM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2007 at 02:43:24PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> > It should be relatively straigh
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On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:17:27 +0200 (CEST), Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> In other words, we share a common technical "culture". This is not
>> the case for social culture of the community; and this dist
On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 22:54:53 +0200 (CEST), Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> On Sun, 1 Jul 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> I am not talking about _not_ having a soc-ctte. I am talking about
>> whether or not the selection criteria for ctte members needs to be
y 'I wrote a program that crashed Windows', people just stare
at you blankly and say 'Hey, I got those with the system, *for
free*'. -- Linus Torvalds
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t all the people who sincerely want to help you could
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itself, I suggest they subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The
Planet exists to let us see into the lives of people important to
Debian, not to be a monologue replacement of -devel.
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judgement of what is or is not Spam.
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ld remove the language
about informing the maintainer with a mail message; and no, I don't
think we quite have a consensus on this yet.
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 09:13:43 +0200, Lucas Nussbaum
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> On 30/05/08 at 17:28 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> For the record, I don't think that we should remove the language
>> about informing the maintainer with a mail message; and no, I don&
he message that those packages are
non-free, and reduces pressure on the authors to release the
documentation under a free license.
main
non-free
programs
documents
firmware
art-work
games
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e mailing lists there as well.
You might also want to look at http://wiki.debian.org/, which
holds some other aspects of the collaborative work.
Hope that helps.
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to have the point of
> view of each of those groups.
Why should my view be any more important than any other
developer? Why ar you more concerned about it than the 1000-odd other
developers' opinions?
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FrontDesk and the DPL.
>
> Could those poeple please comment on their motivations and why they
> think this proposal is a good idea please ?
Can you comment on your motivations, please?
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y indifferent. Allowing more non-developers in, and providing a
path for translators to have a say in Debian does not seem to be all
that wrong.
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Martin
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d) find enough like minded people to override them via a GR
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On Thu, Oct 23 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 02:09:23PM +0000, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> This is where you got this wrong. The responsibility is to serve
>> the project, and the foundations on which the project is built, to the
>> be
On Thu, Oct 23 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 01:28:44PM +0000, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 23 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:10:29PM +, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>> >> This was initially writ
e
proposal.
I don't see how this solicitation of early feedback in any way
adds to the bureaucratic angle.
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On Fri, Oct 24 2008, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 23 2008, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
>>> The number of teams increment the bureaucracy (changing
>>> the proposal, coordination), and doesn't fit the Debian
>>> str
he pending changes are.
c) It would perhaps make it harder for the DAM to cherry pick the
changes people have made.
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mporarily limit upload rights in an
> emergency.
So expulsion by DAM's is a power you are proposing to remove?
Or is this in addition?
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On Sat, Oct 25 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le samedi 25 octobre 2008 à 01:12 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
>> One of the issues I have with this proposal is that there seems
>> to be, by design, absolutely no consideration about skill levels or
>> qualit
On Sat, Oct 25 2008, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Sat,25.Oct.08, 09:41:35, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>
>> If you are not voting or uploading packages, everythign else you
>> do can be done without a maintainers hat on, so you do not need to be
>> a DD.
>
> Do
same ballot --
even if they were not all formally declared to be "amendments" of the
original proposal.
Our voting methods do not deal well with related options being
on separate ballots.
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on how to handle the release of lenny in view of firmware blobs, and
the apparent conflict with the SC, would result in a botched
decision. Serial votes with subsets of options really lend themselves
to tactical voting our voting method is not designed to deal with.
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On Sat, Nov 15 2008, Stephen Gran wrote:
> This one time, at band camp, Manoj Srivastava said:
>> On Sat, Nov 15 2008, Adeodato Simó wrote:
>> >
>> >> | We as Developers at large continue to trust our release team to follow
>> >> | all these goals, and
scriminating against
> certain proposals. To be honest, I'm glad I need not decide such
> things.
Being very hesitant about my wisdom, my first cutr at a ballot
would be all the 6 proposals, plus a default, which is more or less
proposal 1.
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> special case, but unfortunately Dato's proposal to split ballots
> doesn't seem to have gained enough momentum.
We can have a spearate vote on what to do post lenny, if people
still want that. But currently, with the issue on how to go about
releasing lenny, all these pro
On Sun, Nov 16 2008, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> * Manoj Srivastava [Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:38:56 -0600]:
>
>> That does not seem to make sense. Either you have
>> 'none of this non-free crap in the archive ever'
>> or you have
>> 'the releas
On Sun, Nov 16 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le samedi 15 novembre 2008 à 19:39 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
>> > Hm, no, the impression that I got from this discussion that at least
>> > several people here think the result of "Further discussion" is:
>&
On Sun, Nov 16 2008, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Sunday 16 November 2008, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> I think we can be reasonably sure that the current spate of
>> discussions is about releasing Lenny. For this action, any of the
>> ballot options will have a distinct dec
On Sun, Nov 16 2008, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:42:19AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> I do not think throwing options out because they are not of a
>> narrow and limited scope is right. The proposer and sponsors can
>> withdraw them, if
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h does need non-free firmware-XXX packages
for the network card, and the non-free firmwares on a usb stick solves
the problem nicely. I don't think shippinf the firmware separately is a
show stopper.
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> Manoj Srivastava writes:
>
>> I think we will keep coming back to this biennial spate of
>> disagreement we have, as we determine whether or not we can release
>> with firmware blobs or what have you. This also would
.
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> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I like the idea of clarifying what the principles of the project
>> actually are, since, as aj said, all the decisions about lenny would
>> fall out from the position the
kely to be abused as well.
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| these works.
`
As I understand it, we, as a project, have acceoted that there
is tension between the needs of our users, and the dictates of free
software; and the solution we have come up with is called "cont
ple of years or so could be a work around to the
auto MIA process.
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> warning?
I would say the latter holds. And I also agree that MIA != emeritus
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this could be interesting, going through NM again
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On Thu, Jul 23 2009, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 03:44:01PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
>>
>> his is silly
>
> In case you had any doubt about it, let me confirm: it hurts to read
> that kind of answer.
> It does not help, nor brin
aps sorted by the human it is attributed to, can help a human
auditing the system.
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> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> [...] I think that we can go over much to the other side: We should not
>> be overly genteel about silly ideas. [...]
>
> I don't think there's anything wrong with being a polite society
> (=ge
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:52:11PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
>> > Should activity in teams be enough reason to be regarded as an active DD?
>> Yes.
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:35:00PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
&g
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
>>
>>> Twisting people's words is unfortunately very normal behaviour for Manoj.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>>> Or he
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
>>
>>> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Twisting people's words is unfortunatel
es off a man busy picking flowers with an besotted mind, like
a great flood does a sleeping village. 47
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> masters, the head of the technical commitee and the DPL. IMHO there's
> no need for an apology.
I think that just expands the set of people who owe an apology.
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> and for myself just trust them that this is the best
> decision for the project. Everyone is free to join the
And if I feel that is not the best decision for the users of my
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> over how it was announced.
Well, yes and no. I think a freeze every two years is a good
idea. I just do not think that we should freeze in 5 months or so.
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even more irrelevant).
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have commercial support?
While I personally care little about popularity, I do think this
assertion that we will not lose our users is unfounded optimism.
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> developers certainly are actively engaged in pushing their changes upstream
> to Debian.
So they seem to be targetting my packages not to push changes
to? kinda doubt that.
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> Well, there is a certain hope that upstreams above Debian would also
> adapt at some point.
They are far more likely to adapt, I would think, if Debian
sync's with RHEL, rather than Debian sync'ing with a Debian derivative.
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behind closed doors!" part. They can always point out how any of the
proposals being bruited will impact actual releases, or help iron out
impracticalities in suggestions (not every thing need be shot down out
of hand [yes, yes, I know, that's what I often do])
On Tue, Aug 04 2009, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 11:55:04AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 03 2009, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> > Amen. I think two years is a little too long and 18 months would be much
>> > better.
>> We n
oint to start discussion, not as a point
where we decide to freeze in four months or so from now.
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On Wed, Aug 12 2009, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Manoj Srivastava dijo [Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 10:08:13AM -0500]:
>> Based on Debian's last two releases, I think we have a 22 month
>> release cycle going; stretching it to 24 years is not a big
>> deal. Speaking
g to bring the thread
back to a logical discussion; and leaving ad hominem attacks
unchallenged poisons the discussion environment to the point that it
detracts from the discussion itself.
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g in any discussion unless you are sure you know
> everything better.
But using the term, while also explaining why the term is valid,
seems like a good thing. Without the rationale for using hte term, you
are correct, it is just name calling.
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On Tue, Aug 18 2009, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 03:17:55PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> Allowing these logical fallacies to stand, and not refuting
>> them, lead to a discussion that goes nowhere, or floats off into sub
>> optimal directio
On Tue, Aug 18 2009, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 03:25:30PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> > And really, if some logical conclusion is so broken that this brokeness
>> > has its own name, then everybody should be able to see it.
>
>>
On Wed, Aug 19 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mardi 18 août 2009 à 19:10 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
>> I would say it is attacking the character or motives of a person
>> who has stated an idea, rather than the idea itself.
>
> You can’t de-humanize a discu
On Wed, Aug 19 2009, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> * Manoj Srivastava [090818 22:42]:
>> On Tue, Aug 18 2009, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
>> > * Ben Finney [090818 11:28]:
>> >> Perhaps you have a better way of succinct terms to use when challenging
>> >>
iolently opposed to things like HAL
and udev)?
Before we chose to override a DD's decision about their own
package, there ought to be an objective criteria for that override, in
my opinion.
manoj
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On Thu, Sep 17 2009, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 09:47:10AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>>On Thu, Sep 10 2009, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, what happens if somebody wants to maintain software where there
>>> is a strong set of op
eing linked to RC bug
thresholds, and while I am not advocating a tight coupling, a total
de-coupling does not seem advisable either.
B) Are the current release goals on track to being met? Would a little
bit of slack time help, as long as it is not too much?
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rspective, the FSF want s
Debian to execie such discipline in a selective manner (the selection
happening by Debian ignoring it's own definitions, and hewing to the
FSF's definitions).
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Craig> in fact, as an office bearer under the constitution he has an even
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