Re: Range Voting - the simpler better alternative to Condorcet voting

2007-06-02 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
would be inferior to Condorcet for Debian elections, and some pretty strong arguments to the contrary. --Barak. -- Barak A. Pearlmutter Hamilton Institute & Dept Comp Sci, NUI Maynooth, Co. Kildare, Ireland http://www.bcl.hamilton.ie/~barak/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Range Voting - the simpler better alternative to Condorcet voting

2007-06-03 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
ear that in this table, when voters merely exaggerate their preferences, which is a natural human tendency, Range Voting degrades from ~95% VSI to ~78% VSI while Condorcet-LR degrades from 85% to 42%. OUCH! It seems like even a small amount of strategic voting in Condorcet would push its perform

Re: Range Voting - the simpler better alternative to Condorcet voting

2007-06-04 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
asy to give people the option of including a Range Voting ballot along with their Condorcet ranking in the next DPL election. It would be very interesting to see how the two correlate, both on the individual level and on the ultimate decision level. -- Barak A. Pearlmutter <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: Range Voting - the simpler better alternative to Condorcet voting

2007-06-05 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
obably be seen as "looking good" for Debian, which would also lead a rational Debian voter to cast a more veridical ballot. There is also a natural human tendency towards honesty and generosity, which in this case would manifest as not casting zeros for people who don't really

Re: Range Voting - the simpler better alternative to Condorcet voting

2007-06-05 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
seem to show that they are much less harmful (less likely, and when they occur less likely to result in a really poor candidate being elected) than analogous circumstances with Condorcet. -- Barak A. Pearlmutter Hamilton Institute & Dept Comp Sci, NUI Maynooth, Co. Kildare, Ireland http://www

Re: Range Voting - the simpler better alternative to Condorcet voting

2007-06-05 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
> I still fail to understand how Condorcet with the default option > suffers from the DH3 pathology (I did understand how Condorcet > without the default option does suffer from DH3). Could you > enlighten me? It is pretty straightforward to add some extra candidates whose existence causes voters

Re: Range Voting - the simpler better alternative to Condorcetvoting

2007-06-13 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
itical places, and Debian seems particularly ripe for adopting this improvement, minor though it might be compared to Debian's current rather good voting sytem. -- Barak A. Pearlmutter Hamilton Institute & Dept Comp Sci, NUI Maynooth, Co. Kildare, Ireland http://www.bcl.hamilton.ie/~barak/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Range Voting - the simpler better alternative to Condorcetvoting

2007-06-13 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
lly separate the factual information he mentioned from the conclusion he drew from them, because the logic really didn't seem watertight. -- Barak A. Pearlmutter Hamilton Institute & Dept Comp Sci, NUI Maynooth, Co. Kildare, Ireland http://www.bcl.hamilton.ie/~barak/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Range Voting - the simpler better alternative to Condorcetvoting

2007-06-14 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
hem to fix any perceived deficiencies. -- Barak A. Pearlmutter Hamilton Institute & Dept Comp Sci, NUI Maynooth, Co. Kildare, Ireland http://www.bcl.hamilton.ie/~barak/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Range Voting - the simpler better alternative to Condorcet voting

2007-06-15 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
again not any of the top three "honest" options, but is instead X, even though every single voter believes X a worse option than any of the three options A, B, C. So having an X on the ballot doesn't help. -- Barak A. Pearlmutter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hamilton Institute & Dep

Re: Range Voting - the simpler better alternative to Condorcet voting

2007-06-15 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
ichever candidate *would* have won an honest Condorcet election, you'd be better off having a Range Voting election and encouraging people to vote strategically. That is a strength of Range Voting, not a weakness. -- Barak A. Pearlmutter Hamilton Institute & Dept Comp Sci, NUI Maynooth, Co

Re: Range Voting - the simpler better alternative to Condorcet voting

2007-06-15 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
=99,B=0 40x A=0,B=99 which would leave no opportunity for strategic voting. But that's no great trick, since there are only two candidates. With >2 candidates, it is easy to make examples where strategic voting by Range Voting voters would make sense. -- Barak A. Pearlmutter Hamilton I

Re: Range Voting - the simpler better alternative to Condorcet voting

2007-07-01 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2007, Barak A. Pearlmutter wrote: > > You make another point, which is interesting, but which actually > > when carried to its logical conclusion ends up being in support of > > Range Voting over Condorcet. If

Re: Evolving away from source package realms

2022-10-08 Thread Barak A. Pearlmutter
I myself am *very* happy to have other Debian people (DDs, DMs) git push and dput fixes to any of "my" packages. No need for an MNU or delay or permission: just do it. Zero friction. In the unlikely event you do something I'm uncomfortable with I'll just revert it and discuss. This has nothing to