Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-24 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:52:11PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > Should activity in teams be enough reason to be regarded as an active DD? > Yes. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:35:00PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Also people who do translations. Perhaps we can institute other > sensors

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Fri Jul 24 09:57, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 03:44:01PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > > > > his is silly Are you sure that this is not a typo for "This is silly"? A rather unfortunate one, since what Manoj wrote looks a lot more like a personal attack than it

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Luk Claes
Charles Plessy wrote: Le Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:30:17PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : While I do not approve of ad hominem attacks on the mailing list, I think that we can go over much to the other side: We should not be overly genteel about silly ideas. You twist people words a

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-24 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Fri Jul 24 08:43, Steve Langasek wrote: > I am not convinced of this. Infrastructure contributions are necessary and > valuable, but we don't admit people as Debian Developers on the basis of > infrastructure contributions, nor to work on infrastructure; They may need (depending what it is th

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-24 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 02:19:38AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 23/07/09 at 01:10 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:57:07AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: >>> Inactive maintainers do not make harm by definition. >> The two are completely orthogonal. Also, I disagre

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Ben Finney
Matthew Johnson writes: > On Fri Jul 24 09:57, Charles Plessy wrote: > > Le Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 03:44:01PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > > > > > > his is silly > > Are you sure that this is not a typo for "This is silly"? It didn't occur to me to interpret it any other way (i.e.

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread MJ Ray
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > [...] I think that we can go over much to the other side: We should not > be overly genteel about silly ideas. [...] I don't think there's anything wrong with being a polite society (=genteel) even when confronted with a silly idea. Maybe the above should be gentle in

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Ben Finney wrote: > Manoj seems to be emitting a great deal more typos to Debian forums in > recent years. Perhaps we should pool together donations for a better > keyboard for him? Or he should post less and take the time to review what he writes... (including the pass where

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote: > Twisting people's words is unfortunately very normal behaviour for Manoj. On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Or he should post less and take the time to review what he > writes... (including the pass where he's supposed to remove > the unneeded

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Matthew Johnson wrote: > On Fri Jul 24 08:43, Steve Langasek wrote: >> I am not convinced of this. Infrastructure contributions are necessary and >> valuable, but we don't admit people as Debian Developers on the basis of >> infrastructure contributions, nor to work on infras

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, MJ Ray wrote: > Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> [...] I think that we can go over much to the other side: We should not >> be overly genteel about silly ideas. [...] > > I don't think there's anything wrong with being a polite society > (=genteel) even when confronted with a sil

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:52:11PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: >> > Should activity in teams be enough reason to be regarded as an active DD? >> Yes. > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:35:00PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> Also people who do

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Luk Claes
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote: Twisting people's words is unfortunately very normal behaviour for Manoj. On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Or he should post less and take the time to review what he writes... (including the pass where he's supposed to

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-24 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:52:11PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: Should activity in teams be enough reason to be regarded as an active DD? Yes. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:35:00PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: Also people who do translations. Perhaps we can in

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote: > Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote: >> >>> Twisting people's words is unfortunately very normal behaviour for Manoj. >> >> On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote: >>> Or he should post less and take the time to review what he

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Luk Claes
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote: Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote: Twisting people's words is unfortunately very normal behaviour for Manoj. On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote: Or he should post less and take the time to revi

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-24 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Setting up a bot should not be too much work, once we set out > the format of the structured email received. And an archive of the > mail, perhaps sorted by the human it is attributed to, can help a human > auditing the system. Just use the code and from CIA.vc

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-24 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:52:11PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: >> But I know that there are/will be DDs which do infrastructure stuff only, and >> rarely upload packages. Such DDs should never be regarded as MIA, of course. > > I am not convinced of this. Infrastructure co

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote: > Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote: >> >>> Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote: > Twisting people's words is unfortunately very normal behaviour for Manoj. On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Raphael

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Fri Jul 24 16:46, Luk Claes wrote: > Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote: >> >>> Twisting people's words is unfortunately very normal behaviour for Manoj. >> >> On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote: >>> Or he should post less and take the time to review what he

Re: Re-thinking Debian membership - take #1: inactivity

2009-07-24 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Kevin Mark wrote: If someone goes through the arduious process of becomeing a DD: proving their knowledge of: a. FLOSS ideals, b. Debian ideals, c. FLOSS legal ideas, d. computer languages, e. social skills f. and patience to wait for various app

Re: [OT] aggressiveness on our mailing lists.

2009-07-24 Thread Richard Hecker
Luk Claes wrote: Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Fri, Jul 24 2009, Luk Claes wrote: Manoj Srivastava wrote: .. This is hilarious. Two posts attacking the man -- ad hominem -- and these are the folks talking about being less aggressive. Twisting again are you? Only if y

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