Re: RFC: Introducing Debian Enhancement Proposals (DEPs)

2008-01-18 Thread Bas Wijnen
On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 12:34:42PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 12:18:30PM +0100, Adeodato Sim?? wrote: > > Currently, when having discussions about improvements to Debian, it is > > not always clear when consensus has been reached, and people willing to > > implement it ma

Re^4: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-18 Thread Lars Versen
> > > I had reasons why I dont fill the pipe with E-Mails that contain 20 > > > pages long efforts if the expectation is pretty hostile feedback. > > As you can see, posting generalities didn't really fare much better. > Right - 20 pages of anything, from someone who doesn't appear to be > contri

Re: RFC: Introducing Debian Enhancement Proposals (DEPs)

2008-01-18 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 09:12:53AM +0100, Bas Wijnen wrote: > If people want to do this, it's useful. The problem that is described > is that people don't actually want to do this, because they don't know > if their solution will be used. That seems a pretty bad rationale -- implementing your s

Re: RFC: Introducing Debian Enhancement Proposals (DEPs)

2008-01-18 Thread Bas Wijnen
On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 07:33:41PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 09:12:53AM +0100, Bas Wijnen wrote: > > If people want to do this, it's useful. The problem that is described > > is that people don't actually want to do this, because they don't know > > if their solution wi

Re: Re^4: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-18 Thread Bas Wijnen
Hi, This is my first and only mail on this subject. > Subject: Re: Re^4: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy Why do you start new threads all the time? It breaks mutt's threaded view, and it makes sure that your message shows as a new thread. This also makes it impossible to ignore

Re: RFC: Introducing Debian Enhancement Proposals (DEPs)

2008-01-18 Thread MJ Ray
Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 12:18:30PM +0100, Adeodato Sim?? wrote: > > * Making debian/copyright be machine parseable. > > * Agreeing upon a meta-package name or virtual package name. > > These sorts of issues are already tracked with the BTS, for instance wh

Re: Re^4: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-18 Thread MJ Ray
"Lars Versen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Langasek, exactly that is a general misunderstanding of you and > a few other Debian Developers. > "I have three world-class operating system releases to my credit, > and you dont" [...] I don't believe Steve Langasek ever wrote that. Please try to

Re: RFC: Introducing Debian Enhancement Proposals (DEPs)

2008-01-18 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 12:15:33PM +0100, Bas Wijnen wrote: > > > For example, the machine-parsable copyright thing > > > seems (to me) to be pretty much accepted as a Good Thing, but it's > > > unclear when it would be a good idea to start suggesting or even > > > mandating it in policy. > > Well,

Using the BTS instead of a different system? (Was: RFC: Introducing Debian Enhancement Proposals (DEPs))

2008-01-18 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 18/01/08 at 12:15 +0100, Bas Wijnen wrote: > > If you've already decided you want to invent your own system, > > Oh no, it's not decided at all. I'm not convinced by you, but if many > others are, this isn't going to happen I suppose. That's why we're > discussing it. ;-) I'm not convinced e

Usage of linda

2008-01-18 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Hi James recently merged a little branch from me into mainline dak code, its changelog having: * dak/examine_package.py (check_deb): Remove linda call. It provides no added benefit to lintian anymore. Iow - while you are free to use linda, NEW doesn't use it anymore. During the last few m

Re: Using the BTS instead of a different system? (Was: RFC: Introducing Debian Enhancement Proposals (DEPs))

2008-01-18 Thread Joey Hess
Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Let's take bug #209008 (debian-policy: [PROPOSAL] common interface for > parallel building in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS) as an example. There are already > 50 mails in that bug report, split in 5 threads. If you want to know the > status of this pseudo-DEP, you basically have to rea

Re: Using the BTS instead of a different system? (Was: RFC: Introducing Debian Enhancement Proposals (DEPs))

2008-01-18 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 01:16:29PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > If we called this field a summary, one interface to use it could be to > mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] to set a new summary. This would add > the message to the detailed bug log, [...] That more or less means having a particular message in the

Re: Re^4: ideas regarding a conflict management strategy

2008-01-18 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 02:35:57PM +, MJ Ray wrote: > "Lars Versen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Steve Langasek, exactly that is a general misunderstanding of you and > > a few other Debian Developers. > > "I have three world-class operating system releases to my credit, > > and you dont" [..

Re: RFC: Introducing Debian Enhancement Proposals (DEPs)

2008-01-18 Thread Luca Brivio
#include january 16, 2008, Michael Banck wrote: > Personally, I think DEP should go to d-d-a *once accepted* (dunno about > obsoleted, maybe as well), but initial drafts should go to either > debian-devel (DEP touches development, I assume this will be the vast > majority of DEPs, also the case f