Colin Watson wrote:
> Perhaps we need a more organized system of sponsorship, so that people
> who are stuck waiting in the NM queue can do QA work with some degree of
> ease. At the moment it seems to be largely a matter of whether you're
> lucky enough to find somebody who'll quickly and consiste
Adrian Bunk wrote:
> My impression is that currently maintainers are accepted too early. For
> some AMs it's enough that they build one package (and thanks to debhelper
> it's relatively easy to build a package) and even if they make a buggy
> package this is sometimes enough to pass the "Tasks & S
Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I want to suggest to change the way NM works.
Hmm, this topic seems to be quite popular these days, and I would
like to offer my opinions. I am currently in the final stage of my
NM process (awaiting DAM approval), and I have been there since
Sep 1, 2000.
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Colin Watson wrote:
>> Perhaps we need a more organized system of sponsorship, so that people
>> who are stuck waiting in the NM queue can do QA work with some degree of
>> ease. At the moment it seems to be largely a matter of whether you're
>> lucky eno
Chuan-kai Lin wrote:
> Hmm, this topic seems to be quite popular these days, and I would
> like to offer my opinions. I am currently in the final stage of my
> NM process (awaiting DAM approval), and I have been there since
> Sep 1, 2000. The DAM commented "need to find out what he cannot do
> wi
On Sunday 17 December 2000 07:40, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Colin Watson wrote:
> > Perhaps we need a more organized system of sponsorship, so that people
> > who are stuck waiting in the NM queue can do QA work with some degree of
> > ease. At the moment it seems to be largely a matter of whether yo
Chuan-kai Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> think there is nothing wrong with it. It is official: packaging is
> the only sexy part of Debian, and we cannot care less if it is some
> Random J. Dummy authoring web contents for us.
Correct, I couldn't care less about who is making Debian web
conte
On 17 Dec 2000, Chuan-kai Lin wrote:
>...
> without being a maintainer" and everything comes to a halt. The
> goals I stated for joining Debian includes: work on the Chinese
> translation of w.d.o and help with QA work for Chinese-specific
> packages. Okay, enough for background information...
On 00-12-17 Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Dec 2000, Christian Kurz wrote:
> >...
> > > > > suggests to the NM team that he should become a Debian account. The NM
> > > > > team (perhaps the current NM-Committee plus other interested Debian
> > > > > developers) then looks critical at the work of
On 00-12-17 Colin Watson wrote:
> Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Sat, 16 Dec 2000, Christian Kurz wrote:
> >> more careful task&skill test would be helpful.
> >
> >Yes, and the main point of my proposal is: An applicant doesn't get his
> >account before he had worked some months for D
Christian Kurz wrote:
> > Yes, and the main point of my proposal is: An applicant doesn't get his
> > account before he had worked some months for Debian. This lets us judge on
> > his whole work (e.g. his knowledge about packaging, how he handles
> > bugs,...).
>
> I think we should define that h
On 00-12-17 Martin Schulze wrote:
> Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > My impression is that currently maintainers are accepted too early. For
> > some AMs it's enough that they build one package (and thanks to debhelper
> > it's relatively easy to build a package) and even if they make a buggy
> > package thi
On 00-12-17 Chuan-kai Lin wrote:
> people have already stopped using it. The real problems are those
> whose maintainers were MIA. As they are (supposedly) being taken care
> of, nobody worries about them, and as the maintainers were MIA, the
> bugs are not being addressed. So what should somebo
On 00-12-17 Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, Cord Beermann wrote:
> > >No, I don't intend to change this. My point is: Someone who has a Debian
> > >account can do much harm (intentional or accidential). That's a reason why
> > >I think we should have a severe look at the work of an applic
On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, Christian Kurz wrote:
> Well, what you propose here is an an removal of a debian developer and I
> don't think this should be so easy as you describe it. We should be able
> to have a checklist and if some checks fail delete his debian account.
> If someone is really MIA and w
I'm no maintainer but I'm using Debian since version 1.1, and I in my
experience it's a myth that the new Debian maintainers generally do a
worse job than the long-term maintainers do.
> Adrian Bunk writes:
> If we don't have severe look at the quality of the work of new
> maintainers [...]
Why d
On Sunday 17 December 2000 12:09, Christian Kurz wrote:
> On 00-12-17 Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Sat, 16 Dec 2000, Christian Kurz wrote:
> > >...
> > >
> > > > > > suggests to the NM team that he should become a Debian account.
> > > > > > The NM team (perhaps the current NM-Committee plus other
> >
On Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 09:33:35AM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
>
> Here are the questions I thought about. Please take into account
> that this is just a repost of a mail from Jun 12, 1999 and things
> may have changed (i.e. debconf isn't mentioned). There is also
> one bug included, feel free
>>"Andreas" == Andreas Voegele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Andreas> I'm no maintainer but I'm using Debian since version 1.1,
>> Every Debian developer represents Debian (e.g. at exhibitions)
Andreas> Do you think that all the long-term maintainers always represent
Andreas> Debian in a favou
On 00-12-17 Martin Schulze wrote:
> Christian Kurz wrote:
> > > Yes, and the main point of my proposal is: An applicant doesn't get his
> > > account before he had worked some months for Debian. This lets us judge on
> > > his whole work (e.g. his knowledge about packaging, how he handles
> > > bug
On Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 03:42:36PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> I've seen these not yet used guidelines for taking over packages and I
Those guidelines have been used at least once.
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On 00-12-17 Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, Christian Kurz wrote:
> > Well, what you propose here is an an removal of a debian developer and I
> > don't think this sh
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Andreas Voegele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Adrian Bunk writes:
> > > Every Debian developer represents Debian (e.g. at exhibitions)
> >
> > Do you think that all the long-term maintainers always represent
> > Debian in a favourable way?
>
> I
On Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 09:27:19AM -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 09:33:35AM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
> >
> > Here are the questions I thought about. Please take into account
> > that this is just a repost of a mail from Jun 12, 1999 and things
> > may have changed (i.e.
Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> 1. Where does elmo live?
> [ ] a. Garbage can.
> [ ] b. openprojects.net.
I'll add that one.
Regards,
Joey
--
GNU does not eliminate all the world's problems, only some of them.
-- The GNU Manifesto
It seems to me that the bigger problem is developers who've already
made it in, but who just aren't doing their job.
Scanning the RC bug list, I see lots of bugs along the lines of "wrong
build dependency", or "simple 2-line patch included", many filed
months ago. If the problem's been fixed, why
Peter Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Correct, I couldn't care less about who is making Debian web
> content. What I care about is whom I give root acces to my servers
> each time I writes "apt-get upgrade".
Well, if everyone agrees with that, it would also be fine with
me. However in Adrian'
Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 17 Dec 2000, Chuan-kai Lin wrote:
>> without being a maintainer" and everything comes to a halt. The
>> goals I stated for joining Debian includes: work on the Chinese
>> translation of w.d.o and help with QA work for Chinese-specific
>> packages. Okay,
On Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 07:29:30PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> I want to suggest to change the way NM works.
>
> Currently, someone applies at [1] and if he's lucky he has his account
> less than 2 months after he applied.
what real benefit is there in erecting even more barriers-to-entry for
pro
>>"Andreas" == Andreas Voegele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Andreas> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I am not sure that you understand what the project is. The
>> project is not a company, with a mandated party line; the project is
>> comprised of a multitudfe of people, all wit
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