Re: Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-05-20 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 20/05/14 at 14:26 +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: > Dear all, > > is there anything more I can (or need to) do? No, that's on my TO-DO list now. Thanks, Lucas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas

Re: Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-05-20 Thread Richard Hartmann
Dear all, is there anything more I can (or need to) do? Thanks, RIchard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAD77+gT1ys4qxUj4dNf3ng=sohb267c5bf5muwa

Re: Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-05-11 Thread Richard Hartmann
Dear all, just for the record, we incorporated ourselves on May 3rd as planned; the official name is "DebConf Deutschland e.V.". Work to be granted the status of non-profit is well under way. All seven founding members (the legally required minimum) are DDs and we all agree that we will keep the

Re: Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-05-03 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 03/05/14 at 10:54 +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: > On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > As you already described how you met the TO criteria in > > , > > I think that we can safely say that the minimum two weeks discussion > > period started on 2014-04-26 (and thus

Re: Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-05-03 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > The last step was never used so far AFAIK. > But it could probably be implemented as a d-d-a email providing the updated > list of TOs, and a page on the Debian website listing TOs and referencing > the d-d-a email. > (Similar to delegation

Re: Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-05-03 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > As you already described how you met the TO criteria in > , > I think that we can safely say that the minimum two weeks discussion > period started on 2014-04-26 (and thus ends on 2014-05-11). Works for me. Just to make sure: This means tha

Re: Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-05-03 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 02/05/14 at 19:47 +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: > Dear all, > > as announced some time ago, we will incorporate DebConfDeutschland > e.V. tomorrow. > > All founding members will be DDs with the full list being sent as a > reply to this email after the fact. > > > Given that: > > * We will

Re: Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-05-02 Thread Richard Hartmann
Dear all, as announced some time ago, we will incorporate DebConfDeutschland e.V. tomorrow. All founding members will be DDs with the full list being sent as a reply to this email after the fact. Given that: * We will not be using the name "Debian" * We are not planning to run for more than ne

Re: Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-28 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 9:56 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > I personally think that this could be enough, but would welcome more > opinions on that. Same and same. We would appreciate more feedback on this (and on when silence will be interpreted as implicit consensus). Richard -- To UNSUBSCR

Re: Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-28 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > So I'm not against considering the idea of keep the DC15 TO after DC15, > but this will clearly have to be weighted against the disadvantages of > this option. We decided to go with a single-use eV for DebConf15, because: * of the valid

Re: Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-28 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 26/04/14 at 23:42 +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: > Before anyone raises this point: Yes, we tried contacting[1] FFIS, but > they have not even answered in more than four weeks; we are not > confident that they would be more reactive going forward and do not > consider them an option any more. >

Re: Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-28 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, On 26/04/14 at 23:42 +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: > 2. The organization should remain loyal to Debian > > See 1. > Going against Debian's best interest now or in the future would not > only be stupid beyond description, it would also wipe out our > collective reputations and remove the comm

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-27 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Andreas Barth [2014-04-27 11:23 +0200]: > According to regularation for tax advisors (Standesrecht) this > won't be legal. It won't be legal to represent us towards the tax authorities, but there is nothing, IMHO, that speaks against free advice. > However there are advisors who are

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-27 Thread Andreas Barth
* martin f krafft (madd...@debconf.org) [140427 11:00]: > also sprach Andreas Barth [2014-04-27 10:53 +0200]: > > However, one need to check if all of Debconf falls into that, or if > > parts don't. Tax authorities don't necessarily consider one event > > "treated all as one", see e.g. page 39, nr

Re: [Debconf-team] Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-27 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Andreas Barth [2014-04-27 10:53 +0200]: > However, one need to check if all of Debconf falls into that, or if > parts don't. Tax authorities don't necessarily consider one event > "treated all as one", see e.g. page 39, nr 206 of > http://www.bestellen.bayern.de/shoplink/06003006.htm

Re: Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-27 Thread Andreas Barth
* martin f krafft (madd...@debian.org) [140427 08:31]: > also sprach Andreas Barth [2014-04-27 01:09 +0200]: > > If you get money where you provide some value for (and sponsorship > > might fall into that category, if e.g. logos are shown somewhere), > > then this money is VAT-taxable (unless one

Re: Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-26 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Andreas Barth [2014-04-27 01:09 +0200]: > (For this reason, after some more thinking I wouldn't recommend to > name it "Debconf15 e.V", but rather "Debconf Deutschland e.V.".) Yes, this was my intention: design it as a throw-away, but without stating so. And of course this leaves open

Re: Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-26 Thread Andreas Barth
* Andreas Barth (a...@ayous.org) [140427 01:10]: > * Richard Hartmann (richih.mailingl...@gmail.com) [140427 00:40]: > > On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Andreas Barth wrote: > > > Debconf has a different tax situation than a normal TO setup > > > (especially given the amount of money might brin

Re: Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-26 Thread Andreas Barth
* Richard Hartmann (richih.mailingl...@gmail.com) [140427 00:40]: > On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Andreas Barth wrote: > > > I'm running some throw-away non-profit organisations, and have not > > experienced problems. > > Have the tax authorities been made aware of this in advance? For how >

Re: Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-26 Thread Richard Hartmann
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Andreas Barth wrote: > I'm running some throw-away non-profit organisations, and have not > experienced problems. Have the tax authorities been made aware of this in advance? For how long are those organisations running? > Debconf has a different tax situation

Re: Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-26 Thread Andreas Barth
* Richard Hartmann (richih.mailingl...@gmail.com) [140426 23:42]: > * Debian Deutschland e.V. > * DebConf Deutschland e.V. > * DebConf15 Deutschland e.V. > > From our understanding, German tax authorities don't like > throw-away/single-use non-profit organisations, but we have no proof > of that,

Trusted Organisation status for DebConf15's legal entity

2014-04-26 Thread Richard Hartmann
Dear all, the German local team for DebConf15 is in the process of incorporating itself. We need a legal shell for signing contracts, taking in donations, and for insurance reasons. Plus, we are expecting to gain non-profit status which means tax exemption and thus more money for making DebConf1