* MJ Ray:
> I think "mailing list" is still usually two words, so I'd change that
> throughout.
And "list servers".
I think we should also mention that mailing lists are public (very
public at that, indexed by search engines and mirrored widely) if the
document is targeted a newcomers.
The disc
Thanks, Wouter.
First: would it be appropriate for there to be a point about context-quoting,
or inline quoting, or more precicely not either top-posting nor bottom posting
with no trimming? (my phrasing is bad.)
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:52:42AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> 6. You should av
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 03:30:08PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> The most annoying reply behaviour I see is people replying to one list
> rather than the multiple lists I sent the original message to. We
> should encourage use of Reply-to-all instead, as erring on the side of
> inclusion is safer
On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 03:17:48AM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote:
> I'd like this to be more global in coverage, and not just focus on the
> mailing lists. In this draft of the Code of Conduct, 8 out of the 9
> rules are about email, so it feels more like a "mailing list CoC"
> right now than a "CoC".
Greetings.
Wouter (and all other contributors): thank you very much for working on a Code
of Conduct. This really matters.
Further comments below.
On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 04:52:42, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
...
> New draft:
>
> ---
> # Debian mailing list Code of Conduct
>
> The Debian maili
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 07:08:17PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > - I think that we shoud encourage more private replies. For instance,
> >"If you want to complain to someone who sent you a carbon copy when
> >you did not ask for it, do it privately" (from the current CoC), but also
>
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 4:52 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> So, some updates:
>
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:59:06AM -0400, Brian Gupta wrote:
>> I'm wondering if there can be a guidelines/advice section also? For
>> example, perhaps we want to capture something along the lines of (The
>> wording ne
On Wed, 2013-05-22 at 10:52 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
[...]
> > > 6. You should avoid sending attachments; this generates a lot of
> > >unnecessary bandwidth on our listservers. Instead, put the file you
> > >would like to attach online somewhere and post a link.
> >
> > It may be wort
Russ Allbery (21/05/2013):
> I've noticed the same pattern as Steve, and it bothers me too, which
> means I probably should say something rather than letting this look
> like something between you and him. Your interactions on
> debian-devel when you do post there, which indeed isn't too
> freque
So, some updates:
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:59:06AM -0400, Brian Gupta wrote:
> I'm wondering if there can be a guidelines/advice section also? For
> example, perhaps we want to capture something along the lines of (The
> wording needs a ton of tweaking): Please remember that Debian is a
> multic
Steve Langasek writes:
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 01:42:04PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
>> Wow, I am impressed, 5 emails out of 15150 (current search result
>> on lists.debian.org) makes me:
>>
>> > As one of the most routinely abusive posters on Debian lists towards your
>>
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 01:42:04PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> Wow, I am impressed, 5 emails out of 15150 (current search result
> on lists.debian.org) makes me:
>
> > As one of the most routinely abusive posters on Debian lists towards your
> ^
>
Norbert Preining writes:
>> As one of the most routinely abusive posters on Debian lists towards your
> ^
> That is your definition of "routinely": 0.033% ?
> Assuming that you missed 100 other emails that would still remain < 1%
> Thanks for this e
Wow, I am impressed, 5 emails out of 15150 (current search result
on lists.debian.org) makes me:
> As one of the most routinely abusive posters on Debian lists towards your
^
That is your definition of "routinely": 0.033% ?
Assuming that you missed 10
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:24:51AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> On Di, 21 Mai 2013, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > As one of the most routinely abusive posters on Debian lists towards your
> > fellow developers: not you.
> Thus neither you ..., logic wins.
> Wow, being told most abusive posters ..
Steve,
I openly request an apology from you. That is unbearable:
You publicly defamed me by stating:
On Di, 21 Mai 2013, Steve Langasek wrote:
> As one of the most routinely abusive posters on Debian lists towards your
> fellow developers: not you.
Onto which I asked for evidence:
On Mi, 22 Ma
On Tue, 21 May 2013, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-05-21 at 10:32 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > 6. You should avoid sending attachments; this generates a lot of
> > unnecessary bandwidth on our listservers. Instead, put the file you
> > would like to attach online somewhere and post a lin
Enrico Zini writes:
> Please note that a society where every single citizen is well behaved,
> and every single deviant is promptly corrected, is a police state.
> Bruce Schneier's "Liars and outliers" has some very interesting thoughts
> on this.
I don't think those thoughts can be extended int
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 6:30 AM, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On 21-05-13 11:37, Norbert Preining wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> On Di, 21 Mai 2013, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>>> 1. Do not flame, use foul language, or in general be abusive or
>>>disrespectful towards other people on the mailinglists or else
Wouter Verhelst proposed:
> The Debian mailinglists exist to foster the development and use of
> Debian. This Code of Conduct exists to help towards that goal.
>
> In particular, the following rules should be adhered to by participants
> to discussion on Debian mailinglists:
That second paragrap
On Di, 21 Mai 2013, Steve Langasek wrote:
> As one of the most routinely abusive posters on Debian lists towards your
> fellow developers: not you.
Thus neither you ..., logic wins.
Wow, being told most abusive posters ... would you kindly use your
browser and browse my posts on debian-tex-maint
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 06:37:39PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> On Di, 21 Mai 2013, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > 1. Do not flame, use foul language, or in general be abusive or
> >disrespectful towards other people on the mailinglists or elsewhere
> And who defines that?
As one of the most
On Tue, 2013-05-21 at 10:32 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
[...]
> The Debian mailinglists exist to foster the development and use of
> Debian. This Code of Conduct exists to help towards that goal.
>
> In particular, the following rules should be adhered to by participants
> to discussion on Debia
Hi Enrico,
On 21-05-13 14:19, Enrico Zini wrote:
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:32:09AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>
>> So, without further ado, here's my draft:
> [...]
>
> As a general principle, I object to any attempt to codify good
> behaviour. The DCG, which I thank Lars for mentioning, w
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:32:09AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> So, without further ado, here's my draft:
[...]
As a general principle, I object to any attempt to codify good
behaviour. The DCG, which I thank Lars for mentioning, was attempting to
give clues and reasonable expectations to peop
Hi Lars,
On 21-05-13 11:55, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> I suggest Enrico's "Debian Community Guidelines" would form a good
> base document for this discussion.
>
> http://people.debian.org/~enrico/dcg/
I know about this document, and agree that it consists of generally good
advise, worthy to be heed
On 21-05-13 11:37, Norbert Preining wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> On Di, 21 Mai 2013, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>> 1. Do not flame, use foul language, or in general be abusive or
>>disrespectful towards other people on the mailinglists or elsewhere
>
> And who defines that?
The community as a whole.
>
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 06:37:39PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> On Di, 21 Mai 2013, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > 1. Do not flame, use foul language, or in general be abusive or
> >disrespectful towards other people on the mailinglists or elsewhere
>
> And who defines that?
We d
Hi Wouter,
many thanks for this initiative !
Here are some comments.
- I think that we shoud encourage more private replies. For instance,
"If you want to complain to someone who sent you a carbon copy when
you did not ask for it, do it privately" (from the current CoC), but also
for
I suggest Enrico's "Debian Community Guidelines" would form a good
base document for this discussion.
http://people.debian.org/~enrico/dcg/
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Hi all,
On Di, 21 Mai 2013, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> 1. Do not flame, use foul language, or in general be abusive or
>disrespectful towards other people on the mailinglists or elsewhere
And who defines that?
If you can give me a definition of "foul language" or "abusive"
or "disrespectful" I
Hi,
I've long thought that our code of conduct, as currently written, is
fairly useless. Because it contains things that are totally irrelevant
("swearing is illegal on packet radio, some people receive mailinglists
on packet radio, so don't swear"??? [citation needed]) and some things
that are in
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