> Panos wrote:
> | The official name of the country is FYROM.. Suggesting Macedonia instead
> | of FYROM is like suggesting America instead of USA.. Both countries
> (FYROM and Greece)
> | agreed using this name.
>
> Yes this is very true, but I don't recall thata Republic of Macedonia
> have such
On Τρι 28 Σεπ 2004 13:41, Tomislav Markovski wrote:
> This is a typical flamebait message. Trollings such as the above
> are the main reason we're not taking active participation in this
> discussion. We will layout our opinion on a single document and
> distribute it to the Debian Project.
> Pleas
On Τρι 28 Σεπ 2004 11:05, Игор Петрески wrote:
> Yes this is very true, but I don't recall thata Republic of
> Macedonia have such agreement with any other country, company,
> distribution, esspecially not with things related with Debian. Even
> M$ agrred to change these settings. By the way, when
> I think that i have been insulting and jerky toward Christian Perrier
> in that email, and would like to offer my apologies.
Thank you for this (always not easy). Don't worry too much, I've not
been hurted so badly and, well, this is life when you have to deal
with highly sensitive topics
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:31:31 +0300, John Manganas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Igor Petreski, Editor in Chief
- - -
PCInfo+, Macedonian IT Magazine
Vasil Gjorgov, 39 baraka 2
1000 Skopje
Macedonia
tel. +389 2 3216356
You mean F.Y.R.O.M.
Dear Al
Hello everybody
Do I have to mention that we gave to the world Cyrilc Alphabet?
Which world is this Igor? Is it a parallel universe?
You gave to the world the Cyrillic Alphabet?
Now, do the following easy steps:
1) Start Mozilla
2) Type www.wikipedia.org
3) Search for "Cyrillik Alphabet"
On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 10:05:24AM +0200, wrote:
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> Panos wrote:
> | The official name of the country is FYROM.. Suggesting Macedonia instead
> | of FYROM is like suggesting America instead of USA.. Both countries
> (FYROM and
Игор Петрески wrote:
Do I have to mention that we gave to the world Cyrilc Alphabet?
Strong statement, and not in context too. When cyrillic was invented,
Macedonia was natural part of Bulgaria. This is not intended for
flamewar, just to correct the facts. Currently, Republic of Bulgaria
Hi all,
I have read the previous message that i sent to this thread,
and it is clearly not good at all.
While logic and prose seem allright,
at most or all places where a value judgement is needed,
such judgement is completely wrong or absent.
I can only conclude that i was mentally il
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Panos wrote:
| The official name of the country is FYROM.. Suggesting Macedonia instead
| of FYROM is like suggesting America instead of USA.. Both countries
(FYROM and Greece)
| agreed using this name.
Yes this is very true, but I don't recall tha
The official name of the country is FYROM.. Suggesting Macedonia instead
of FYROM is like suggesting America instead of USA.. Both countries (FYROM and
Greece)
agreed using this name. It seems to be a political issue and I think using
the name accepted bye both governments is the best choice. Chan
[ I removed the DPL from the CC list. ]
On Mon, Sep 27, 2004 at 04:33:40AM +0200, siward wrote:
>
> Does this group really exist, Christian ?
It exists and the mailing list archives are publicly available on the
net. Some of the discussions about the name of their country that took
place a few
(Your mails is too long, please try to be more consise and to the
point, inability to do so probably means that you have no good
understanding of the issue).
On Δευ 27 Σεπ 2004 05:33, siward wrote:
> In my opinion,
> nonchalantly discarding the concern that people may get shot dead
> in favo
Vassilis Grigoriadis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb/wrote:
> According to the EU Resolution FYROM cannot have the name Macedonia.
It's not a EU Resolution. The Council of Europe (www.coe.int) is not
(part of) the European Union but an independent international
organisation, of which the FYR Macedonia
Quoting Anton Zinoviev ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2004 at 02:47:51PM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
> >
> > "Macedonian Republic" (the latter is better for sorting issues).
>
> Please don't use "Macedonian Republic", but "Macedonia, Republic of"
OK, point taken.
Remember, folks th
On Sat, Sep 25, 2004 at 10:19:41AM +0300, John Manganas wrote:
>
> Please Anton help us to reach the truth. Help the international Debian
> community to understand your point.
I hope the following is part of the truth.
There are two or maybe even three versions of "Macedonia".
Let me call the
On Sat, Sep 25, 2004 at 02:47:51PM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
>
> "Macedonian Republic" (the latter is better for sorting issues).
Please don't use "Macedonian Republic", but "Macedonia, Republic of"
Anton Zinoviev
Christian Perrier wrote:
Quoting Ognyan Kulev ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
I read the 2 relevant threads in this list. Unfortunately, there isn't
any sign of opinion about "Macedonia (Slav)".
Well, I have the feeling that it may be offensive to non slavic
minorities in MK, if there are some.
Yes, y
(CC list reduced as of the request of George)
Quoting Ognyan Kulev ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Anton Zinoviev wrote:
> >I am a member of a Macedonian mailing list so I can tell you what the
> >macedonians wrote. (http://hedona.on.net.mk/mailman/listinfo/ossm-members)
>
> >Yes, they prefer "Macedonia"
Anton Zinoviev wrote:
I am a member of a Macedonian mailing list so I can tell you what the
macedonians wrote. (http://hedona.on.net.mk/mailman/listinfo/ossm-members)
Yes, they prefer "Macedonia" to "Macedonia, Rep. of". However they
would also accept "Macedonia, Rep. of" because this is the
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004, florian klinglmueller wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 04:21:57PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > On 2004-09-24 15:41:54 +0100 Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Following others in the area of geographical names helps to avoid
> > >conflicts. It's not Debian's task to ta
Please gyus, this (among with others ) is a list about the translation
procces of a free operating system.
Problems like Greece - FYROM or China - Taiwan (as it was during the
summertime for those who remember) have nothing to do
with Debian.
Each country has a name according to the standards.
Hello
At first they do not want to make flames with history, politics, etc -
this would be counterproductive. That is why they don't take part in
these discussions.
WOW Anton that explains everything! You are all for productivity!!!
But please, please tell your FYROMian friends to take part
I have mist a lot of stuff - I am reading only debian-boot. ;-)
On Sat, Sep 25, 2004 at 03:58:00AM +0200, siward wrote:
>
> Anton Zinoviev wrote :
> > I am sure that nobody from Republic of Macedonia will complain
> > if Debian uses this longer name instead of simply Macedonia.
>
> I fear that
Hello and Goodmorning
> To the ones that called Kyrie Margaritos a 'seller of his country' :
Konstantinos Margaritis.I think he will not like having his name
misspelled...
"Kyrie" in Greek means "Mr." or "Sir". It is not a name.
To the ones that did this, they're simply crappy narrow-mi
Hello and Goodmorning,
By the way, John,
on Debian mailinglists, stressing a point is done by _underscoring_ it.
Ooops. I 'll use underscoring from now on.
Thank you
John Manganas
_
Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2
(far too long CC list removed)
I'm afraid you're mixing a lot of stuff in your mail. However, you
didn't give us more solutions to the current problem.
By chance, this solution is appearing as the name "Republic of
Macedonia" seems acceptable to the people who raised this issue : the
Macedonian l
Hi all,
Steve Langasek wrote :
> I don't see a reason for Debian to use any name at all for the Greek
> province of Macedonia. From Debian's standpoint, there is no namespace
> collision here; Debian's locale system generally only needs to know
> about top-level, autonomous territories.
Steve,
On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 04:21:57PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> On 2004-09-24 15:41:54 +0100 Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Following others in the area of geographical names helps to avoid
> >conflicts. It's not Debian's task to take side in such international
> >disputes.
>
> Should
On 2004-09-24 15:41:54 +0100 Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Following others in the area of geographical names helps to avoid
conflicts. It's not Debian's task to take side in such international
disputes.
Should we follow the Republic of Macedonia, the EU foreign ministers,
ISO or
On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 16:41 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Matthew Garrett:
>
> > Debian is not a document prepared by the Secretariat of the Council of
> > Europe. As a result, it is not bound by this resolution.
>
> Following others in the area of geographical names helps to avoid
> conflicts
* Matthew Garrett:
> Debian is not a document prepared by the Secretariat of the Council of
> Europe. As a result, it is not bound by this resolution.
Following others in the area of geographical names helps to avoid
conflicts. It's not Debian's task to take side in such international
disputes.
Vassilis Grigoriadi writes:
> I'm sorry to say so, but if Debian does not comply to the resolution of
> the foreign ministers of the EU than i will be in the unpleasent position
> to bring the subject to the EU court.
And quotes:
> ...the Secretariat is hereby instructed...
Debian is not part of
AIL PROTECTED]>
To: Vassilis Grigoriadis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:04:03 +0100
Subject: Re: Re: Two Macedonias
On 2004-09-23 11:33:49 +0100 Vassilis Grigoriadis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm sorry to say so, but if
> Debian does not comply to the resolutio
On 2004-09-23 11:33:49 +0100 Vassilis Grigoriadis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm sorry to say so, but if
Debian does not comply to the resolution of the foreign ministers of
the EU
than i will be in the unpleasent position to bring the subject to the
EU
court.
Matthew Garrett has already
Since, my comments displeased some people who were brave enough to
accuse me of 'selling my country', I hereby denounce all 'authority'
with regards to such matters. Feel free to decide whatever you like,
I prefer to spend my time in some actually useful area, for example,
complete the greek su
Vassilis Grigoriadis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am putting the Resolution so you can read it. I'm sorry to say so,
> but if Debian does not comply to the resolution of the foreign
> ministers of the EU than i will be in the unpleasent position to bring
> the subject to the EU court.
(snip)
Vassilis Grigoriadis wrote:
According to the EU Resolution FYROM cannot have the name Macedonia. If you
plan to use this name then you have to add in a parenthesis the word Slav:
Macedonia (Slav)
I (as a Slavic) think that this name is very good.
Regards,
ogi
Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:
On Πεμ 23 Σεπ 2004 11:44, Christian Perrier wrote:
2) use the names 'Republic Macedonia' and 'Greek Macedonia'.
I like that one, but, as Steve Langasek said, in the namespace of
autonomous territories, there is no collision at all.
Well, in my
debian-project@lists.debian.org, debian-boot@lists.debian.org, [EMAIL
PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:44:26 +0200
Subject: Re: Two Macedonias
> > 2) use the names 'Republic Macedonia' and 'Greek Macedonia'.
>
> I like that one, but, as Steve Langasek said, in th
On Πεμ 23 Σεπ 2004 11:44, Christian Perrier wrote:
> > > 2) use the names 'Republic Macedonia' and 'Greek Macedonia'.
> >
> > I like that one, but, as Steve Langasek said, in the namespace of
> > autonomous territories, there is no collision at all.
>
> Well, in my opinion, if we decide changing F
> > 2) use the names 'Republic Macedonia' and 'Greek Macedonia'.
>
> I like that one, but, as Steve Langasek said, in the namespace of
> autonomous territories, there is no collision at all.
Well, in my opinion, if we decide changing FYROM to something in
iso-codes (and thus, as a direct conseq
Konstantinos Margaritis wrote:
I would really like to know why this looks funny to you, but I'll
refrain from starting such a discussion in these lists. If you indeed
have a reason, I'd be interested to know it, please mail me
privately.
I know that the history of Macedonia is taught differen
(Please CC me, I am not on -project)
On Πεμ 23 Σεπ 2004 04:45, siward wrote:
> Hi all,
> The government of Greece,
> and presumably also the people of the Greek Province Macedonia,
> strongly object to
> the former yugoslav republic Macedonia being called Macedonia.
> The Greek government s
On Πεμ 23 Σεπ 2004 10:39, Ognyan Kulev wrote:
> siward wrote:
> > I think the people of Greek Macedonia have a different objection
> > : they were always called Macedonia,
> > and now another region is trying to take their name away from
> > them, which is offensive.
>
> This makes me laugh.
I w
siward wrote:
I think the people of Greek Macedonia have a different objection :
they were always called Macedonia,
and now another region is trying to take their name away from them,
which is offensive.
This makes me laugh.
It is possible that the peope of their northernly neighbour st
On Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 03:45:50AM +0200, siward wrote:
> Hi all,
> I think Debian has only 2 choices here :
> 1) use the names 'Republic Macedonia' and 'Macedonia'.
> 2) use the names 'Republic Macedonia' and 'Greek Macedonia'.
I don't see a reason for Debian to use any name at all for the Gr
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