Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-04-02 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Micah Anderson writes: > Clint Adams writes: >> [Adding and M-F-T-ing -project] [...] >> Were you there? Were Debian funds spend on this endeavor? What >> happened there? Most importantly, why is it all so secretive? > > Did I miss a response to these questions? I'm interested to know the > an

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-31 Thread Micah Anderson
Clint Adams writes: > [Adding and M-F-T-ing -project] > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:04:58AM +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: >> I want to point out that Luk's mail was not in any way discussed in the >> release team. I think it is horrible. >> >> I welcome everyone to critize the release te

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-15 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 06:14:45PM +, Clint Adams wrote: > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 04:09:34PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > > That meeting took place in May of last year. What's the point of discussing > > it almost 9 months later? What exactly triggered your blog post? > > We are in an election

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-15 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 02:24:51PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Matthew Johnson wrote: > > I'm confused as to why you are expecting to be involved in or be > > informed about a meeting of a team you are not a part of? > > If a team is meeting, the meeting and agenda should be

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-15 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Matthew Johnson wrote: > I'm confused as to why you are expecting to be involved in or be > informed about a meeting of a team you are not a part of? If a team is meeting, the meeting and agenda should be announced, and the decisions and discussions which occur in the meeting

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-15 Thread Clint Adams
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 08:18:54PM +, Matthew Johnson wrote: > I'm confused as to why you are expecting to be involved in or be informed > about > a meeting of a team you are not a part of? I'm confused as to why multiple DDs don't seem to understand what "transparency" means. -- To UNSUBS

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-15 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Mon Mar 15 05:16, Clint Adams wrote: > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 09:23:23PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/03/msg00011.html > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2009/05/msg00080.html > > > > So it wasn't that secret after all. (Note that

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-15 Thread Clint Adams
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 03:09:43PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > To that end, it would be nice to have a specific question posed on > -vote: that venue is IMHO more appropriate to answer your question than > -project. (Or just prod the candidates to follow-up there if the above > is already th

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-15 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 06:14:45PM +, Clint Adams wrote: > We are in an election period and I would like for the project > to elect a DPL who not only does not support a certain level > of non-transparency, but is actively intolerant of it. > > I do not know whether or not we have any potential

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-14 Thread Clint Adams
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 09:23:23PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/03/msg00011.html > http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2009/05/msg00080.html > > So it wasn't that secret after all. (Note that all this happened last > year, including Luk's tw

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-14 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 14 March 2010, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > * Frans Pop [2010-03-14 16:09:34 CET]: > > [1] I think release management for (old)stable is being handled quite > > well ATM. > > While this might be true and valid for stable, I am not too convinced > that the last point release of oldstable from

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-14 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
* Frans Pop [2010-03-14 16:09:34 CET]: > [1] I think release management for (old)stable is being handled quite well > ATM. While this might be true and valid for stable, I am not too convinced that the last point release of oldstable from April 8th of last year is too much for being called hand

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-14 Thread Russ Allbery
Luk Claes writes: > The whole thing about secrecy is exagerated AFAICS as there just is not > much to tell. The reason these things mostly remain private is that > there is not much to tell and making things public without the consent > of everyone involved is not done. A general rule of thumb t

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-14 Thread Florian Weimer
* Clint Adams: > Okay, so when there is a mysterious release team meeting in Cambridge, > and there is no discussion or planning of it on debian-release, or > #debian-release, or anywhere else public that I can see, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/03/msg00011.html http://lists.

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-14 Thread Clint Adams
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 04:09:34PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > Although to some level I agree with you [1], I wonder if you could explain > one thing. > > That meeting took place in May of last year. What's the point of discussing > it almost 9 months later? What exactly triggered your blog post?

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-14 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Clint Adams writes: > Okay, so when there is a mysterious release team meeting in Cambridge, > and there is no discussion or planning of it on debian-release, or > #debian-release, or anywhere else public that I can see [...] > Were you there? No. > Were Debian funds spend on this endeavor? Wha

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-14 Thread Frans Pop
On Sunday 14 March 2010, Clint Adams wrote: > Okay, so when there is a mysterious release team meeting in Cambridge, > and there is no discussion or planning of it on debian-release [...] Clint, Although to some level I agree with you [1], I wonder if you could explain one thing. That meeting t

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-14 Thread Luk Claes
Clint Adams wrote: > [Adding and M-F-T-ing -project] > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:04:58AM +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: >> I want to point out that Luk's mail was not in any way discussed in the >> release team. I think it is horrible. >> >> I welcome everyone to critize the release team.

Re: Invite to join the Release Team

2010-03-14 Thread Clint Adams
[Adding and M-F-T-ing -project] On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:04:58AM +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > I want to point out that Luk's mail was not in any way discussed in the > release team. I think it is horrible. > > I welcome everyone to critize the release team. I would prefer help, of > c