On 7/3/19 4:51 PM, Chris Lamb wrote:
Adrian Bunk wrote:
In this discussion here we have two pretty distinct groups of people:
The first group has the opinion that Debian should honor various
minorities, and that Debian in general should have also a political
mission.
The second group is unh
On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 07:43:13AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 10:18:18AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > On Wed, 03 Jul 2019, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 05:33:25PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote:
> > > > Being german, I think that Debian sh
Roberto,
On 04/07/2019 12:43, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> My position is not one of disagreement without basis. I have found,
> through my own experience, that diversity efforts (including those like
> the pride month logo Debian logo change) end up doing more harm than
> good.
Could you expand
On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 10:18:18AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Jul 2019, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 05:33:25PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote:
> > > Being german, I think that Debian should honor discriminated minorities,
> >
> > Being a discriminated against
Hi!
On 04.07.19 11:57, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> Adding debian-project back in my reply since this is about a public mail
> I wrote, and a statement by the AH team is not a private conversation.
This looks like you think you're being treated unfairly and want to make
that public. So here goes another
Adding debian-project back in my reply since this is about a public mail
I wrote, and a statement by the AH team is not a private conversation.
On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 01:01:14AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Adrian,
Steve,
> On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 07:05:54PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> >
> >
On Jul 03 2019, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> In this gay pride month discussion what is politically correct for
> people in the US is considered offensive by people in Germany, and
> what would be considered politically correct by Germans would be
> considered offensive by people in the US.
I would pre
On Wed, 03 Jul 2019, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 05:33:25PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote:
> > Being german, I think that Debian should honor discriminated minorities,
>
> Being a discriminated against minority, I think Debian should *not*.
And since Debian is do-ocracy, it's
On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 09:54:38PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 08:51:38PM +0200, Fabian Grünbichler wrote:
> > another case in point from last month(!) and a little more to the South,
> > where Vienna hosted this year's Europride:
> >
> > https://www.wienerlinien.at/eportal3
On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 08:51:38PM +0200, Fabian Grünbichler wrote:
> another case in point from last month(!) and a little more to the South,
> where Vienna hosted this year's Europride:
>
> https://www.wienerlinien.at/eportal3/ep/contentView.do/pageTypeId/66526/programId/74577/contentTypeId/1001
On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 07:59:35PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote:
> Marc Haber writes:
> > On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 10:32:04AM -0600, Jason Crain wrote:
> >> On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 05:40:54PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> >> > In this gay pride month discussion what is politically correct for
> >> > p
Marc Haber writes:
> On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 10:32:04AM -0600, Jason Crain wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 05:40:54PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>> > In this gay pride month discussion what is politically correct for
>> > people in the US is considered offensive by people in Germany, and
>> > wh
On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 11:51:18AM -0300, Chris Lamb wrote:
> I wish to posit the existence of a third group who are not partipating
> in this discussion.
> This group are simply too exhausted and bored of making the same
> refutations in these debates and have long given up trying. Indeed,
> the
On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 05:33:25PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote:
> Adrian Bunk writes:
> > In this discussion here we have two pretty distinct groups of people:
> >
> > The first group has the opinion that Debian should honor various
> > minorities, and that Debian in general should have also a pol
On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 10:32:04AM -0600, Jason Crain wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 05:40:54PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > In this gay pride month discussion what is politically correct for
> > people in the US is considered offensive by people in Germany, and
> > what would be considered pol
On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 05:40:54PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> In this gay pride month discussion what is politically correct for
> people in the US is considered offensive by people in Germany, and
> what would be considered politically correct by Germans would be
> considered offensive by peopl
On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 04:07:40PM +0200, Ulrike Uhlig wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > On 02.07.19 22:21, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 08:14:40AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
>
> > Every country has its own conventions, problems and solutions.
> > But these are often specific to one country, a
Adrian Bunk writes:
> In this discussion here we have two pretty distinct groups of people:
>
> The first group has the opinion that Debian should honor various
> minorities, and that Debian in general should have also a political
> mission.
>
> The second group is unhappy with people being hono
Martina Ferrari writes ("Re: Cultural differences and how to handle them"):
> Ian, Norbert observation seems to be true. While you have highlighted
> problematic behaviour in many cases, it does seem to be the case that
> you are using non-blind CCs to AH as a way to put extra p
Norbert,
On 03/07/2019 14:44, Norbert Preining wrote:
> This is a common pattern in Ian's emails. I would dare to call it
> "sublimal threatening". Unfortunately nobody in Debian seems to think
> that this is harassment, in particular the AH team seems not to think
> so.
Please, do not speculate
Adrian Bunk wrote:
> In this discussion here we have two pretty distinct groups of people:
>
> The first group has the opinion that Debian should honor various
> minorities, and that Debian in general should have also a political
> mission.
>
> The second group is unhappy with people being hon
On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 07:05:08AM -0600, Jason Crain wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 11:21:03PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 08:14:40AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
> > >
> > > [listmaster copied in hopes they will agree with my assessment here]
> > >...
> > > If you are go
Hi!
> On 02.07.19 22:21, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 08:14:40AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
> Every country has its own conventions, problems and solutions.
> But these are often specific to one country, and not applicable
> to other countries or global projects.
> People should b
On 03/07/2019 13:54, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> BTW:
> Was your longer reply to me intentionally only Cc'ed to
> antiharassment/listmaster/leader, or could you forward
> it also to debian-project?
> There is nothing private involved, and if you want want action to
> be taken against me for my statement
Dear Ian,
We are aware of your opinions, and your stance toward continental culture. And
without doubt you showed this stance again in a very clear way. Thanks.
On July 3, 2019 9:54:44 PM GMT+09:00, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 01:00:42PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
>BTW:
>Was y
On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 11:17:50PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 11:21:03PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > People in the US are used to minority quotas in various places.
> >
> > In most European countries it would be considered unacceptable racism
> > if skin color would pl
On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 11:21:03PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 08:14:40AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
> >
> > [listmaster copied in hopes they will agree with my assessment here]
> >...
> > If you are going to participate in a diversity discussion beyond a
> > certain point y
On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 01:00:42PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Adam Borowski writes ("Re: Cultural differences and how to handle them"):
> > On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 11:21:03PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > > People in the US are used to minority quotas in various
Adam Borowski writes ("Re: Cultural differences and how to handle them"):
> On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 11:21:03PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > People in the US are used to minority quotas in various places.
> >
> > In most European countries it would be considered
On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 11:21:03PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> People in the US are used to minority quotas in various places.
>
> In most European countries it would be considered unacceptable racism
> if skin color would play any role in university admission.
[...]
> Children in the US grow up l
On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 11:21:03PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>...
> People should be expected to research movements that are relevant only
>...
People should *not* be expected to ...
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Adrian
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On Tue, Jul 02, 2019 at 08:14:40AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
>
> [listmaster copied in hopes they will agree with my assessment here]
>...
> If you are going to participate in a diversity discussion beyond a
> certain point you do need to actually spend some time with google just
> as you would fo
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