On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 07:43:13AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Thu, Jul 04, 2019 at 10:18:18AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > On Wed, 03 Jul 2019, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 05:33:25PM +0200, Ole Streicher wrote: > > > > Being german, I think that Debian should honor discriminated minorities, > > > > > > Being a discriminated against minority, I think Debian should *not*. > > > > And since Debian is do-ocracy, it's not your call. You can disagree with > > the publicity team, but it's their call and a call they made while trying > > to put our diversity statement into application. > > > My position is not one of disagreement without basis. I have found, > through my own experience, that diversity efforts (including those like > the pride month logo Debian logo change) end up doing more harm than > good. By that I do not mean that they hurt the feelings of majority > groups (though that may be an associated affect), but rather that in > the end such efforts often further marginalize those for whom the "help" > is meant.
Sorry if I'm belaboring the obvious, but, uhm, is this not how this has
always played out in history when some people decide to change the
status quo? Is it not only normal that in the initial and interim stage,
before the opinion of the majority is changed, pretty much any and every
action is viewed as provocative and destabilizing and leads to
a short-term increase in attacks towards the corresponding group?
The point is that each of these actions will hopefully cause maybe
a single person, maybe five people, maybe a hundred, to stop, think,
reconsider, and decide that the status quo need not necessarily remain
such. And, yes, historically there have always been people in these
groups who would say something like "oh, please, stop rocking the boat,
we are fine as long as they don't pay attention to us" - but part of
the point is to change that mindset, too.
Please note that I'm not saying "it's okay for everyone to harass
activists and people for whose benefit those activists are carrying out
their activism"; I'm also not saying "oh come on, stop complaining, of
course you'll have to take some flack". I have seen close friends of
mine get hurt in such ways, some by words, some by more than words, and
while I personally have not been on the receiving end, for all that it's
worth, I do emphatize as much as it is possible for me to.
G'luck,
Peter
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