Re: US Consultants was: Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-06-02 Thread Tobias Toedter
On Wednesday 01 June 2005 22:31, Brian M. Carlson wrote: > > > > > > > > This company does not have a phone number listed in Directory > Assistance, and the number given is "no longer in service". > > > > > > > > > NNL Software does not have a phone number listed in Directory > Assistance, and

US Consultants was: Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-06-01 Thread Brian M. Carlson
On Fri, 2005-05-27 at 19:10 +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > # Consultant: US > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suggest someone in the US phones. This company does not have a phone number listed in Directory Assistance, and the number given is "no longer in service". > > # Consultant: US > > > > > > > >

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Monday May 30 2005 12:38 pm, Michael Kallas wrote: > Hi, > > Tapio Lehtonen wrote: > > When I had my consultation business, I published the e-mail > > address only as a PNG image. I got one spam messagen in a years > > time. My privete e-mail adressess, which are published in web > > pages get a

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-30 Thread Michael Kallas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Tapio Lehtonen wrote: > When I had my consultation business, I published the e-mail address > only as a PNG image. I got one spam messagen in a years time. My > privete e-mail adressess, which are published in web pages get about > 150 spams per d

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-29 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On 20050529T090242+0300, Tapio Lehtonen wrote: > If publishing e-mail address on the consultants page is mandatory, > what about publishing it as an image file? I would not want to have my > business e-mail in clear text in a web page which is an obvious target > for spammers collecting addresses.

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-28 Thread Tapio Lehtonen
On Sat, May 28, 2005 at 11:47:50AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (va, manoj)> wrote: > > Err, perhaps apply some common sense? Does anyone really doubt > Expense. Why can't consultants send in their email addresses? > When I had my consultation business, I pub

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-28 Thread MJ Ray
Manoj again trims mention of the reasons why I support the change and continues to respond to questions with questions rather than answers. I conclude that it is impossible to convince him of the benefits of letting the consultants index maintainers contact people by email and his rhetoric is infin

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 28 May 2005 17:05:34 +0100, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (va, manoj)> wrote: >> >> Why can't interested parties pone the consultant directly? >> > Expense. Why can't consultants send in their email addresses? >> Since they choose to only spend the

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 28-05-2005 15:41, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Sat, 28 May 2005 11:38:14 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > said: > > *Sigh*. Do you generally make a practice of jumping to > unwarranted conclusions? Who said that DD's are to b

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-28 Thread MJ Ray
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (va, manoj)> wrote: > On Sat, 28 May 2005 11:47:50 +0100, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > Is the stable release manager still offering debian services and > > wants listing on w.d.o/c? > Have you asked? I've already written as much. You don't know

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 28 May 2005 11:47:50 +0100, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (va, manoj)> wrote: >> Err, perhaps apply some common sense? Does anyone really doubt that >> the stable release manager is missing? Or is no longer involved in >> Debian? > Is the stable r

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 28 May 2005 11:38:14 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: *Sigh*. Do you generally make a practice of jumping to unwarranted conclusions? Who said that DD's are to be treated differently? If a non DD consultant was known to be active and working witrh Debian, we s

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-28 Thread MJ Ray
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (va, manoj)> wrote: > Err, perhaps apply some common sense? Does anyone really doubt > that the stable release manager is missing? Or is no longer involved > in Debian? Is the stable release manager still offering debian services and wants listing on

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-28 Thread MJ Ray
"Brian M. Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am in the US, and I could phone, but I am not a DD. Is this okay? > Please let me know soon; this weekend is a national holiday. I think it's OK. All it needs is to ask them to review their listing on the web site and send an update in, or report

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 28-05-2005 07:04, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Fri, 27 May 2005 20:39:09 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > said: > > >>Your reaction sounded to me like you want Debian developers (and >>especially ones with trusted jobs within our or

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 27 May 2005 19:59:30 +0100, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> You could ask him yourself. My concern is whether this is a sane >> guideline to impose, not to be Joey's keeper. > I consider the guideline sane and it's been discussed since the

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 27 May 2005 20:39:09 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Your reaction sounded to me like you want Debian developers (and > especially ones with trusted jobs within our organisation?) treated > any different than other consultants. I disagree with that (and hope > I misund

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Fri, 27 May 2005 21:22:58 +0200, martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > We *did* have a long thread discussing about this, so I kind of Prior heated discussions somehow preclude the application of common sense? manoj -- Toddlers are the stormtroopers of the Lord of Ent

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-27 Thread Philipp Kern
Bill Allombert wrote: Given that MJ Ray has taken the trouble to check the list for sites that are still active, I think you are hitting the wrong nail[1] with the wrong hammer[2]. Actually it is hammerhead[1], as suggested by p.d.o's non-exact search. SCNR. Kind regards, Philipp Kern [1] h

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-27 Thread Brian M. Carlson
On Fri, 2005-05-27 at 19:10 +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > # Consultant: US > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suggest someone in the US phones. I am in the US, and I could phone, but I am not a DD. Is this okay? Please let me know soon; this weekend is a national holiday. > > # Consultant: US > > > > >

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-27 Thread Bill Allombert
On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 11:26:05AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 07:15:14PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So, uh, our stable release manager and security team lead is being > > > de-listed > > > as a Debian consultant because he h

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-27 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005.05.27.2012 +0200]: > No, it's not. The web and the real world aren't disjoint sets, and I don't > see how it's of any benefit to people who are looking for Debian services to > exclude self-evidently qualified consultants from the list just beca

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-27 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 27-05-2005 20:12, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 07:22:22PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >>>So, uh, our stable release manager and security team lead is being de-listed >>>as a Debian consultant because he hasn't provided an em

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-27 Thread MJ Ray
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You could ask him yourself. My concern is whether this is a sane guideline > to impose, not to be Joey's keeper. I consider the guideline sane and it's been discussed since the start of last November at least on -project and -www. The reason is primari

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 07:15:14PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So, uh, our stable release manager and security team lead is being de-listed > > as a Debian consultant because he hasn't provided an email address to list > > on this page? This suggests to me

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-27 Thread MJ Ray
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, uh, our stable release manager and security team lead is being de-listed > as a Debian consultant because he hasn't provided an email address to list > on this page? This suggests to me that the listing criteria are rather > suboptimal. Maybe Martin

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 07:22:22PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > So, uh, our stable release manager and security team lead is being de-listed > > as a Debian consultant because he hasn't provided an email address to list > > on this page? This suggests to me that the listing criteria are rath

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-27 Thread MJ Ray
Why wasn't this posted to the consultants list? Here are the details I can find: Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > # Consultant: Brazil > > > http://www.teknologico.com/";> Domain is now squatted. Not listed on db.debian.org > # Consultant: France > > > > > > http://www.kanis.cc/";>

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-27 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 27-05-2005 19:07, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 06:20:10PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: > >>According to the new policy for the consultants page which you can find >>at the bottom of the consultants page [1] an email address is require

Re: Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 06:20:10PM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: > According to the new policy for the consultants page which you can find > at the bottom of the consultants page [1] an email address is required > to be listed. > So, attached is the list of the entries that have no email address > inclu

Consultant entries that will be removed unless there is an email address provided

2005-05-27 Thread Luk Claes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi According to the new policy for the consultants page which you can find at the bottom of the consultants page [1] an email address is required to be listed. So, attached is the list of the entries that have no email address included. These entries