Re: [SECURITY] [DSA 5800-1] xorg-server security update

2024-10-30 Thread Arty Buckingham
-- > Hash: SHA512 > > - - > Debian Security Advisory DSA-5800-1 secur...@debian.org > https://www.debian.org/security/ Salvatore Bonaccorso > October 29, 2024

Re: [SECURITY] [DSA 5800-1] xorg-server security update

2024-10-30 Thread Soren Stoutner
- > > Debian Security Advisory DSA-5800-1 secur...@debian.org > > https://www.debian.org/security/ Salvatore Bona

Re: 3 Blue 1 Brown

2021-03-18 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 05:06:45PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > *Grant Sanderson (3 Blue 1 Brown)* has released his amazing *mathematics > > visualization* software Manim (on github). Can you please add it to the > > *debian > > repository,* so it can be installed

Re: 3 Blue 1 Brown

2021-03-18 Thread tomas
On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:54:32AM -0400, Khosro Pourkavoos wrote: > Good morning, > > *Grant Sanderson (3 Blue 1 Brown)* has released his amazing *mathematics > visualization* software Manim (on github). Can you please add it to the > *debian > repository,* so it can be i

3 Blue 1 Brown

2021-03-18 Thread Khosro Pourkavoos
Good morning, *Grant Sanderson (3 Blue 1 Brown)* has released his amazing *mathematics visualization* software Manim (on github). Can you please add it to the *debian repository,* so it can be installed using apt? === *Manim*: https://3b1b.github.io/manim/index.html *3Blue1Brown*: https

+1 (Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC)

2019-12-22 Thread Holger Levsen
s in conflict with Debian's code of conduct, so be it. > > Seconded. > > There is not room in the Debian Project for both me and transphobes, and I > would rather see the Debian Project end than be a safe haven for > transphobia. +1 -- cheers, Holger ---

+1

2019-10-03 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, Oct 03, 2019 at 11:18:41AM -0300, Antonio Terceiro wrote: > I > think having a single procedure for "meetings" would be a win. +1 -- cheers, Holger --- holger@(debian|rep

Re: Upstream metadata to help our users contribute back to projects we redistribute. [and 1 more messages]

2019-08-06 Thread Ian Jackson
e debian/upstream/metadata in the Perl team to easily > obtain the CPAN distribution name and the bug tracker URL, > so we can forward patches to CPAN RT or GitHub or mail them > to the upstream authors: > > https://manpages.debian.org/unstable/pkg-perl-tools/dpt-forward.1.en.html Th

Re: Planet Debian revisions [and 1 more messages]

2019-01-05 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 05:29pm GMT, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: >> Exactly. I understand Ulrike's practical concerns but do not consider >> them to outweigh the need to avoid permanency. Even writing "possible >> CoC violation" could hurt someone twenty years down the line. > > Ack. I have no str

Re: Planet Debian revisions [and 1 more messages]

2019-01-04 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 03:03pm GMT, Ian Jackson wrote: > Years later someone who did some bad things when they were much > younger might reasonably come to us and say "can you please redact > that unfortunate incident from your public web page - it's ancient > history now". We should be ab

Re: Planet Debian revisions [and 1 more messages]

2019-01-04 Thread Ian Jackson
Ulrike Uhlig writes ("Re: Planet Debian revisions"): > Please, no. A commit message ensures that everybody is aware of the > removal reason, including planet admins. Resorting to email? I don't > think emails are encoded in the feeds and we cannot reasonably expect > people to search for them... I

Re: Emeritus status, and email forwarding [and 1 more messages]

2017-11-16 Thread Mattia Rizzolo
On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 07:23:23AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > Is this because of it being hard to track the contributions of > non-uploading DDs? Not necessarily (but probably true for some case, for example, those we got DD_nu because of relevant contributions to the debconf orga, that's not reall

Re: Emeritus status, and email forwarding [and 1 more messages]

2017-11-15 Thread Sam Hartman
I think if we can find a way to manage it technically, allowing people to forward email would be a reasonable thing to do.

Re: Emeritus status, and email forwarding [and 1 more messages]

2017-11-15 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > non-uploading DD where the MIA team is not looking at. Is this because of it being hard to track the contributions of non-uploading DDs? Is the MIA team looking at contributors.d.o data? -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

Re: Emeritus status, and email forwarding [and 1 more messages]

2017-11-15 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello Mattia, On Wed, Nov 15 2017, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > IMHO if somebody care to keep their forward email usable they can very > well care enough to have a robust enough key and keep it in the > keyring, and possibly be demoted to non-uploading DD where the MIA > team is not looking at. I'd l

Re: Emeritus status, and email forwarding [and 1 more messages]

2017-11-15 Thread Mattia Rizzolo
On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 04:08:41PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > It would be possible to have an "emeritus" keyring, I guess. Since it > would only be used for email forwarding and a few other things, it > could have weaker security requirements. Techinically such keyring exists, but they are not e

Re: Emeritus status, and email forwarding [and 1 more messages]

2017-11-15 Thread Ian Jackson
Peter Palfrader writes ("Re: Emeritus status, and email forwarding"): > Without a key in a keyring that somebody maintains, authenticating such > requests, even manually, is going to be a PITA. Mattia Rizzolo writes ("Re: Emeritus status, and email forwarding"): > In many cases (such this particul

Re: Reasons for having DPL election terms 1 year

2017-08-30 Thread Ian Jackson
shirish शिरीष writes ("Reasons for having DPL election terms 1 year"): > My query how did the idea of having yearly elections for choosing DPL > come in place. This was my doing. And, TBH, I don't think I considered other options very seriously, although I haven't searc

Re: Reasons for having DPL election terms 1 year

2017-08-30 Thread shirish शिरीष
at bottom :- On 30/08/2017, shirish शिरीष wrote: > Dear all, > > Please CC me if somebody puts a reply . > > I had put up the query on debian-devel but was informed that probably > debian-project would be much better place to have discussions like > thees. > > I did try various terms like 'why is

Reasons for having DPL election terms 1 year

2017-08-30 Thread shirish शिरीष
Dear all, Please CC me if somebody puts a reply . I had put up the query on debian-devel but was informed that probably debian-project would be much better place to have discussions like thees. I did try various terms like 'why is Debian Project leader choosen yearly' and similar queries on sear

Re : Re: Request for official help [and 1 more messages]

2017-08-29 Thread MENGUAL Jean-Philippe
- Ian Jackson a écrit : > Chris Lamb writes ("Re: Request for official help [and 1 more messages]"): > > For some reason, I did not receive this. Thank you for following up. > ... > > I delegate to you :) > > Thanks. I will take care of it... Glad t

Re: Request for official help [and 1 more messages]

2017-08-29 Thread Chris Lamb
Hi Ian, > I did that on the 31st of July (quoted below). Admittedly leader@ was > only in the CC, not the To. I have remedied that in this mail. For some reason, I did not receive this. Thank you for following up. > > Chris, could you please either nonexclusively delegate this issue to > > me

Re: Learning from FreeBSD's mistakes [and 1 more messages]

2017-02-06 Thread Don Armstrong
On Mon, 06 Feb 2017, Ian Jackson wrote: > This distributed approach has strengths (which Don points out) but it > also has weaknesses. Principally, it means that though we advertise a > single point of contact, that point of contact is mostly a go-between > and support function for forum-specific t

Re: Learning from FreeBSD's mistakes [and 1 more messages]

2017-02-06 Thread Ian Jackson
consequences. [For example, the organizers of an event will know > the appropriate means of excluding someone from an event, or even if > that is possible.[1]] These are all good points. > Personally, I am very happy to work with the members of the > antiharassment team to make sur

Re: Replace the TC power to depose maintainers [and 1 more messages]

2016-12-05 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Ian Jackson > Tollef Fog Heen writes ("Re: Replace the TC power to depose maintainers [and > 1 more messages]"): > Lars Wirzenius > > > I suggest a lighter approach than a GR for eroding the strong package > > > ownership further is to start

Re: Replace the TC power to depose maintainers [and 1 more messages]

2016-12-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Tollef Fog Heen writes ("Re: Replace the TC power to depose maintainers [and 1 more messages]"): Lars Wirzenius > > I suggest a lighter approach than a GR for eroding the strong package > > ownership further is to start another page, "LowThresholdHijack" or &g

Re: Replace the TC power to depose maintainers [and 1 more messages]

2016-12-05 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Lars Wirzenius > I suggest a lighter approach than a GR for eroding the strong package > ownership further is to start another page, "LowThresholdHijack" or > something, listing maintainers who are OK if someone hijacks their > package if the maintainer isn't taking good care of it. Would anyo

Re: Replace the TC power to depose maintainers [and 1 more messages]

2016-12-05 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 08:02:27PM +0100, Laura Arjona Reina wrote: > I have just created the page: > > https://wiki.debian.org/LowThresholdAdoption > > and added myself to the list. I've added myself to the list. -- I want to build worthwhile things that might last. --joeyh signature.asc De

Re: Replace the TC power to depose maintainers [and 1 more messages]

2016-12-05 Thread Laura Arjona Reina
Dear all El 05/12/16 a las 19:13, Lars Wirzenius escribió: > We've had the "strong package ownership" concept be a problem in > various ways. Many years ago people were afraid of making NMUs to fix > bugs, even RC bugs, and I started the > https://wiki.debian.org/LowThresholdNmu page. It's got ove

Re: Replace the TC power to depose maintainers [and 1 more messages]

2016-12-05 Thread Lars Wirzenius
We've had the "strong package ownership" concept be a problem in various ways. Many years ago people were afraid of making NMUs to fix bugs, even RC bugs, and I started the https://wiki.debian.org/LowThresholdNmu page. It's got over 300 maintainers now, and NMUs are quite normal, though I suspect z

Re: Replace the TC power to depose maintainers [and 1 more messages]

2016-12-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Russ Allbery writes ("Re: Replace the TC power to depose maintainers [and 1 more messages]"): > Ian Jackson writes: > > The TC has never desposed an existing maintainer, and very rarely even > > overturned an individual decision. > > There is a widespread p

Re: Replace the TC power to depose maintainers [and 1 more messages]

2016-12-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Ian Jackson writes: > Stefano Zacchiroli writes ("Re: Replace the TC power to depose maintainers"): >> We should go for "weak code ownership" instead, which *in theory* is >> what we already have > Well, no. What we have is a kind of sticky door when the current code > owner is cooperative. An

Re: Replace the TC power to depose maintainers [and 1 more messages]

2016-12-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Since I didn't want to sent too many more emails, I'll make three short replies in one email... Stefano Zacchiroli writes ("Re: Replace the TC power to depose maintainers"): > We should go for "weak code ownership" instead, which *in theory* is > what we already have Well, no. What we have is a

Re: more official Debian cloud images (Re: Debian Project News - January 1, 2016)

2016-01-09 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Sonntag, 3. Januar 2016, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > what were the criterias to choose to endorse/bless Microsofts > > platform, or to ask differently: will there be official Debian > > images (announced in DPN maybe too) for other commercial cloud > > providers as well? > > for which cloud p

Re: 1 question

2016-01-06 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Mohsen wrote: > I need know debian operation system who created or who made it !? 😊 > Thank u for answer I need to win iPod If you are going to install Debian on the iPod after you get it, then you can read this link ;) https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-

1 question

2016-01-06 Thread mqsen0
I need know debian operation system who created or who made it !? 😊 Thank u for answer I need to win iPod Mohsen

Re: more official Debian cloud images (Re: Debian Project News - January 1, 2016)

2016-01-03 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 01/02/2016 03:27 PM, Holger Levsen wrote: > what were the criterias to choose to endorse/bless Microsofts > platform, or to ask differently: will there be official Debian > images (announced in DPN maybe too) for other commercial cloud > pro

more official Debian cloud images (Re: Debian Project News - January 1, 2016)

2016-01-02 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, (btw, thanks for DPN!) On Samstag, 2. Januar 2016, Laura Arjona Reina wrote: > Official Debian Images for Microsoft Azure > > The Microsoft Azure platform officially endorses and supports Debian, by > providing in their marketplace official Debian images, which are created > in collaboration

Re: Code of Conduct: picking up [and 1 more messages]

2013-12-10 Thread Ian Jackson
ebian communication fora. In some (many?) cases this could be a reference to the appropriate part of http://www.debian.org/intro/organization. I think this means that our IRC chanops need to create an email address for such things (or publish the address if there is one already). Wouter, I looked at

Re: Result of the Code of Conduct BOF at Debconf [and 1 more messages]

2013-11-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op 05-11-13 19:53, Ian Jackson schreef: > Wouter Verhelst writes ("Re: Result of the Code of Conduct BOF at Debconf > [and 1 more messages]"): >> Op 15-08-13 11:48, Ian Jackson schreef: >>> I think the existing draft is far too long. I'd like t

Re: Result of the Code of Conduct BOF at Debconf [and 1 more messages]

2013-11-05 Thread Ian Jackson
Wouter Verhelst writes ("Re: Result of the Code of Conduct BOF at Debconf [and 1 more messages]"): > Op 15-08-13 11:48, Ian Jackson schreef: > > I think the existing draft is far too long. I'd like to propose > > something much shorter:

Re: Result of the Code of Conduct BOF at Debconf [and 1 more messages]

2013-11-05 Thread Wouter Verhelst
For clarity: Op 15-08-13 11:48, Ian Jackson schreef: > I think the existing draft is far too long. I'd like to propose > something much shorter: > > > Debian code of conduct > -- > > Debian expects everyone to help keep our community welcoming and fun: > > * Be respectful.

Re: Result of the Code of Conduct BOF at Debconf [and 1 more messages]

2013-08-15 Thread Ian Jackson
To me, the main purpose of a CoC is to clearly set out for the benefit of forum administrators like listmaster what the project as a whole expects of participants, and to clearly empower the forum admins to warn and/or discipline transgressors. Or to put it another way: for people in general, the

Re: Claiming the "debian" account on GitHub ? [and 1 more messages]

2012-06-16 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > Yeah, the random forks is quite annoying. AFAICT github seems to (mostly) exist to encourage this mode of development; I've even seen projects with "fork me on github" banners on their website. The projects I work on are fairly inactive in

Re: Claiming the "debian" account on GitHub ? [and 1 more messages]

2012-06-16 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Joey Hess > Alessandro Ghedini wrote: > > If anything it may be nice to mirror some "important" Debian software (say > > dpkg, debhelper, lintian, ...) on GitHub like the Apache Foundation does [0] > > (also see [1]). > > > > AFAIK those mirro

Re: Claiming the "debian" account on GitHub ? [and 1 more messages]

2012-06-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Joey Hess writes: > In my experience this leads to a raft of badly formed pull requests that > I cannot triage while offline (see Linus's rant about no diffs) and that > I have to pull up a bloated web app over https over a modem to look at; > as well as random forks, none of which are communicat

Re: Claiming the "debian" account on GitHub ? [and 1 more messages]

2012-06-16 Thread Joey Hess
Alessandro Ghedini wrote: > If anything it may be nice to mirror some "important" Debian software (say > dpkg, debhelper, lintian, ...) on GitHub like the Apache Foundation does [0] > (also see [1]). > > AFAIK those mirrors are completely automated and would allow Git

Re: Claiming the "debian" account on GitHub ? [and 1 more messages]

2012-06-15 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Yaroslav Halchenko > * If we start using this organization as intended (i.e. placing our > clones for maintained software), since the listing of the > repositories get sorted by recency, README.Debian will sink to the > bottom thus killing its visibility and thus its intended purpose I'

Re: Claiming the "debian" account on GitHub ? [and 1 more messages]

2012-06-15 Thread Alessandro Ghedini
debhelper, lintian, ...) on GitHub like the Apache Foundation does [0] (also see [1]). AFAIK those mirrors are completely automated and would allow GitHub users to follow the development of a few interesting Debian projects. Also, I don't know of the other git hosting platforms, but it may b

Re: Claiming the "debian" account on GitHub ? [and 1 more messages]

2012-06-15 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
College, 419 Moore Hall, Hinman Box 6207, Hanover, NH 03755 Phone: +1 (603) 646-9834 Fax: +1 (603) 646-1419 WWW: http://www.linkedin.com/in/yarik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe&q

Re: Claiming the "debian" account on GitHub ? [and 1 more messages]

2012-06-15 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 05:35:50PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > So I think Charles came to entirely the right conclusion. I wish we > could have had longer to talk about this but I guess it's done now. Well, Charles' suggestion of pointing to the wikipedia page that list alternatives instead of si

Re: Claiming the "debian" account on GitHub ? [and 1 more messages]

2012-06-15 Thread Ian Jackson
Stefano Zacchiroli writes ("Re: Claiming the "debian" account on GitHub ?"): > (And please, do not fall into the trap "they offer the service for free, > we should be nice"; we're experienced enough to know that those who > offer service for free often gain something out of it. That is entirely > n

Re: Suggestion: *Debian brochures [Was: 1 year release good enough]

2012-01-05 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 12:47:50PM -0500, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > yeap -- totally reasonable -- whenever we find some time, we > should finalize this... it is sad that > http://www.debian.org/events/material#flyers > is not a wiki so entry-barrier to add mentioning of our flier is a bit > too

Re: Suggestion: *Debian brochures [Was: 1 year release good enough]

2012-01-05 Thread Javier Fernandez-Sanguino
On 5 January 2012 18:47, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > may be we should start a wiki page to "collaborate" on this aspect > before we could push it to w.d.o... sounds reasonable? Yes, sounds reasonable. But we usually just point from w.d.o to the wiki instead of replicating (and later synchronising

Re: Suggestion: *Debian brochures [Was: 1 year release good enough]

2012-01-05 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
th: > http://debian-flyers.alioth.debian.org/ Whenever we were initiating this little "project" we researched available ones, but they all were too "dusty" iirc. I see now some recent (February 2011) activity in debian-fliers' CVS, so great to see it going -- so we have +1 ;) > &

Re: Suggestion: *Debian brochures [Was: 1 year release good enough]

2012-01-05 Thread Javier Fernandez-Sanguino
On 5 January 2012 18:33, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: > one of the possible ways for the project to efficiently utilize its > "booth space" at the conferences is to prepare informative (and > hopefully catchy) fliers which would highlight different aspects of > Debian project, showing its versatility

Suggestion: *Debian brochures [Was: 1 year release good enough]

2012-01-05 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
one of the possible ways for the project to efficiently utilize its "booth space" at the conferences is to prepare informative (and hopefully catchy) fliers which would highlight different aspects of Debian project, showing its versatility and spread. E.g. for our (Neuro)Debian booths at neuroscie

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-05 Thread Peter Samuelson
[dE .] > Look what Microsoft and Apple's is doing with Android. And for any > task with WP7, you have to have propitiatory applications which're Microsoft, Apple, Android, and WP7 (whatever that is) are all off-topic. The debian-project list is about the Debian Project. You may hate technology

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-04 Thread Jack Warkentin
Hello everybody dE . wrote: GNU is a wildebeest which's vulnerable to Lions (MS), and sometimes leopards (Apple), and Debian is one of the wildebeests. It has to be defended by companies supporting it, and they have to attempt destroy the Microsoft ecosystem the same way Microsoft does... other

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-03 Thread dE .
vailable for mac/Win to do even the simplest task with the phones. And this's just 1 e.g.; look at their site, they're always doing .NET and Sliverlight to break compatibility. Not the mention the 6 software patents... Do you call that the right track? Your philosophy may be good f

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-03 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Andreas Tille wrote: > The Fedora Medical guy mentioned that there is a lack of management > work.  And I can confirm that this is perfectly what I'm observing in > several Debian internal projects.  To boil it down to some specific > projects I have observed in th

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-03 Thread Milan Zamazal
>>>>> "JM" == Josselin Mouette writes: JM> Also note that the most popular desktop operating system uses a JM> release cycle of 3 years, not 1 year. There is an important difference: Vendors of new devices often provide working drivers for old versions

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-03 Thread Philip Hands
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 03:35:51 +0530, "dE ." wrote: ... > GNU is a wildebeest which's vulnerable to Lions (MS), and sometimes > leopards (Apple), and Debian is one of the wildebeests. Vulnerable, how? Microsoft put quite some effort into trying to stamp out free software, and that was Microsoft i

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-03 Thread Andreas Tille
audience (field of endeavor, habbits etc) > statistics might vary [e.g. 1] ;-) > > [1] http://neuro.debian.net/blog/2011/2011-06-27_software_survey.html I can perfectly confirm this. From a Debian Med perspective I can say that while there are some comparable initiatives in Fedora and S

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-03 Thread Jeremiah Foster
I agree. Hate is counter-productive. > >> Rather, I personally have a more aggressive philosophy. > > Obviously. There's enough aggression on Debian's mailing lists > already. We surely don't need more of it, more to the opposite. +1 Jeremiah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, emai

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-03 Thread Axel Beckert
dE . wrote: > Thus, it's critical to hate and make people hate Microsoft and dive into > politics in order to make opensource desktops successful. No. Hate is definitively the wrong way to propagate FLOSS. It should be a "together", not an "against each other". (Counts for the the big companies

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-02 Thread dE .
On 01/02/12 03:38, Michael Gilbert wrote: On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 1:21 AM, dE . wrote: Hi. I was wondering about the 2 year release cycle of Debian and it's adaptability on the Desktops. If you want something with a faster release cycle, there is always testing, which is updated four ti

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-02 Thread dE .
On 01/01/12 23:58, Russ Allbery wrote: "dE ." writes: http://stats.wikimedia.org/archive/squid_reports/2011-10/SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm You might have 60% usage of Debian but for the world it's 0.02%. I've never been fond of putting too much weight on this sort of statistic. One of th

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-01 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 1:21 AM, dE . wrote: > Hi. > > I was wondering about the 2 year release cycle of Debian and it's > adaptability on the Desktops. If you want something with a faster release cycle, there is always testing, which is updated four times a day. If you want s

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-01 Thread Steffen Möller
On 01/01/2012 07:28 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: > "dE ." writes: > >> http://stats.wikimedia.org/archive/squid_reports/2011-10/SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm > >> You might have 60% usage of Debian but for the world it's 0.02%. > > I've never been fond of putting too much weight on this sort of >

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-01 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
Well put Russ!!! Relative percentage is not that important as long as absolute number is positive, which means that fun goes on and our efforts are of benefit ;) And depending on the audience (field of endeavor, habbits etc) statistics might vary [e.g. 1] ;-) [1] http://neuro.debian.net/blog

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-01 Thread Russ Allbery
"dE ." writes: > http://stats.wikimedia.org/archive/squid_reports/2011-10/SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm > You might have 60% usage of Debian but for the world it's 0.02%. I've never been fond of putting too much weight on this sort of statistic. One of the delightful things about Debian is t

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-01 Thread Muammar El Khatib
Hi, On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 15:16, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le dimanche 01 janvier 2012 à 11:51 +0530, dE . a écrit : >> Further, Desktop systems dont require that much of stability and >> reliability and even security many times. > > This is the sentence with the highes

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-01 Thread dE .
On 01/01/12 22:05, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dimanche 01 janvier 2012 à 16:19 +0530, dE . a écrit : This is bullshit. Desktop systems don’t have specific release cycle needs. Also note that the most popular desktop operating system uses a release cycle of 3 years, not 1 year. You might not

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-01 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 01 janvier 2012 à 16:19 +0530, dE . a écrit : > > This is bullshit. Desktop systems don’t have specific release cycle > > needs. Also note that the most popular desktop operating system uses a > > release cycle of 3 years, not 1 year. > > You might not have kn

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-01 Thread dE .
On 01/01/12 21:33, Zlatan Todoric wrote: dE, I suggest you to look into Debian CUT project. I believe thats suits your needs if you don't like mixing branches. On the other side - Debian is giant and complex distribution so there must be all branches and a aprox.2 yr release cycle. Zlatan

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-01 Thread dE .
On 01/01/12 20:04, Adam D. Barratt wrote: On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 11:51 +0530, dE . wrote: I was wondering about the 2 year release cycle of Debian and it's adaptability on the Desktops. You have to admit that Debian is not used used much on the Desktops -- Really? Of the five systems in my hou

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-01 Thread dE .
t the most popular desktop operating system uses a release cycle of 3 years, not 1 year. You might not have known, but the LTS release is not often used much You have to admit that Debian is not used used much on the Desktops -- it appears to be more popular for servers; and the 2 year release

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-01 Thread dE .
On 01/01/12 18:12, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Sun, 01 Jan 2012, dE . wrote: I was wondering about the 2 year release cycle of Debian and it's adaptability on the Desktops. We cannot do 1 year, it is not enough time to get hard things done (remember: Debian is _very large_)

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-01 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On Sun, 2012-01-01 at 11:51 +0530, dE . wrote: > I was wondering about the 2 year release cycle of Debian and it's > adaptability on the Desktops. > > You have to admit that Debian is not used used much on the Desktops -- Really? Of the five systems in my household which could count as desktop

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-01 Thread Josselin Mouette
system uses a release cycle of 3 years, not 1 year. > You have to admit that Debian is not used used much on the Desktops -- > it appears to be more popular for servers; and the 2 year release cycle > is good for servers; increasing the release cycles to a higher amount is > also n

Re: 1 year release good enough.

2012-01-01 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 01 Jan 2012, dE . wrote: > I was wondering about the 2 year release cycle of Debian and it's > adaptability on the Desktops. We cannot do 1 year, it is not enough time to get hard things done (remember: Debian is _very large_), and still freeze for enough time to get things

1 year release good enough.

2012-01-01 Thread dE .
On the desktops however, in the above context, things differ completely. There's new hardware available always; within a period of 2 years, the generation of hardware changes requiring new drivers. Backports are available, but usually after a timeframe of 1 year, it's unlikely that the backpo

Checking your availability Friday at 1:00 or next week

2011-05-19 Thread Dana Carter
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Reminder: DebConf12 bid discussion meeting: 1 March, 20 UTC

2011-02-28 Thread Moray Allan
Reminder: There will be a meeting to discuss the DebConf12 bids at 20 UTC on 1 March, on #debconf-team on irc.debian.org. Everyone interested in where DebConf will happen in 2012 is encouraged to read through the competing bids' documents and attend the meeting. Agenda: - Questions fro

Re: DEP5: CANDIDATE and ready for use in squeeze+1

2011-01-19 Thread Craig Small
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:27:39AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > Steve Langasek writes: > > I am vehemently opposed to Ben's patch, which is effectively an end > > run around Debian Policy. > That's a fair criticism. I should make a bug report against Policy. That's the right place to put it too. It

Re: DEP5: CANDIDATE and ready for use in squeeze+1

2011-01-18 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On ke, 2011-01-19 at 10:27 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > Steve Langasek writes: > > > I am vehemently opposed to Ben's patch, which is effectively an end > > run around Debian Policy. > > That's a fair criticism. I should make a bug report against Policy. Good, then I'll apply Charles's patch. Tha

Re: DEP5: CANDIDATE and ready for use in squeeze+1

2011-01-18 Thread Ben Finney
Steve Langasek writes: > I am vehemently opposed to Ben's patch, which is effectively an end > run around Debian Policy. That's a fair criticism. I should make a bug report against Policy. -- \ “He who wonders discovers that this in itself is wonder.” | `\

Re: DEP5: CANDIDATE and ready for use in squeeze+1

2011-01-18 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:57:51PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > Charles and Ben have offered competing patches for Source, one making it > optional (but relying on the policy to make it implicitly mandatory in > most cases), the other making it required (but allowing just a mention > of upstream

Re: DEP5: CANDIDATE and ready for use in squeeze+1

2011-01-18 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:57:51PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: Charles and Ben have offered competing patches for Source, one making it optional (but relying on the policy to make it implicitly mandatory in most cases), the other making it required (but allowing just a mention of upstream sour

Re: DEP5: CANDIDATE and ready for use in squeeze+1

2011-01-18 Thread Lars Wirzenius
Charles and Ben have offered competing patches for Source, one making it optional (but relying on the policy to make it implicitly mandatory in most cases), the other making it required (but allowing just a mention of upstream sources not existing, when that is the case). Is anyone in favor of one

Re: DEP5: CANDIDATE and ready for use in squeeze+1

2011-01-17 Thread Ben Finney
Jonas Smedegaard writes: > I notice that you also add explicit requirement of documenting removal > of source in the Source: field. No. Like Charles Plessy, I merely preserved the existing sentence, since changing it was out of scope for the patch. -- \ “I knew things were changing when

Re: DEP5: CANDIDATE and ready for use in squeeze+1

2011-01-17 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:15:12AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: Ben Finney writes: I maintain the position I argued earlier in this same thread: The provenance of the source of any Debian package should be recorded explicitly, and the copyright file is the canonical location for that informatio

Re: DEP5: CANDIDATE and ready for use in squeeze+1

2011-01-17 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney writes: > Keeping this field optional makes the provenance of the source more s/optional/required/ > likely to be clear. It is minimal effort to support that aim (if the > package is native to Debian, just say so explicitly in this field). -- \ “Nothing is

Re: DEP5: CANDIDATE and ready for use in squeeze+1

2011-01-17 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:56:17AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit : > > I do not, however, agree with sneaking in additional requirements in > that field: > > >+ which is mainly the case for native Debian packages. If the upstream > >+ source has been modified to remove non-free parts, t

Re: DEP5: CANDIDATE and ready for use in squeeze+1

2011-01-17 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Finney writes: > I maintain the position I argued earlier in this same thread: > > The provenance of the source of any Debian package should be recorded > explicitly, and the copyright file is the canonical location for that > information. For packages where “it was only ever a Debian native

Re: DEP5: CANDIDATE and ready for use in squeeze+1

2011-01-17 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 07:44:03AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 01:18:20PM -0800, Steve Langasek a écrit : On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:14:03AM +0100, Dominique Dumont wrote: > From a parser point of view, this requirement cannot be verified > unless there's a way to know

Re: DEP5: CANDIDATE and ready for use in squeeze+1

2011-01-17 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 01:18:20PM -0800, Steve Langasek a écrit : > On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:14:03AM +0100, Dominique Dumont wrote: > > > From a parser point of view, this requirement cannot be verified unless > > there's a way to know if a package is native or not. > > True, but unavoidable.

Re: DEP5: CANDIDATE and ready for use in squeeze+1

2011-01-17 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 10:14:03AM +0100, Dominique Dumont wrote: > On Saturday 15 January 2011 14:03:39 Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > I went with the patch below. Thanks Zack, Charles, Andrei. > > Index: dep5.mdwn > > === > > --- dep5.md

Re: DEP5: CANDIDATE and ready for use in squeeze+1

2011-01-17 Thread Dominique Dumont
On Saturday 15 January 2011 14:03:39 Lars Wirzenius wrote: > I went with the patch below. Thanks Zack, Charles, Andrei. > > Index: dep5.mdwn > === > --- dep5.mdwn (revision 161) > +++ dep5.mdwn (working copy) > @@ -149,12 +149,17

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