ected far less distracting software in the past. I have every reason
to believe they will continue to do the good job they have done in the
past. Can we stop talking about this now and go back to doing what we
do best?
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This one time, at band camp, Olivier Berger said:
> Stephen Gran writes:
> > This one time, at band camp, Olivier Berger said:
>
> >> But that's another problem, about communicating with DSA early
> >> enough... and I'm not sure I know where to find the
eview, and generally help service prototypes
> become production-ready.
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Let the TC do their work. They're coming up on a vote, and they may even
> suggest a GR.
>
>
> This GR is premature.
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sysadmin responsibility for
> all of Debian's systems (which clearly ought to include these VMs).
>
> This whole affair is a nontrivial social problem because it gives the
> impression that the DPL lacks confidence in DSA, and vice versa.
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This one time, at band camp, Lucas Nussbaum said:
> On 21/01/14 at 15:07 +0000, Stephen Gran wrote:
> > I think there's quite a range of options between "DSA can't host
> > everything under the sun" and "I'll go set up a private parallel
> > devel
This one time, at band camp, Lucas Nussbaum said:
> Hi,
>
> On 21/01/14 at 13:11 +, Stephen Gran wrote:
> > This one time, at band camp, Lucas Nussbaum said:
> >
> > [...] single mail shot with no follow up.
> >
> > Well, it's been a bit over
e not actually interested in engaging.
I find that slightly demoralizing.
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it to look like a
DSA machine as much as possible, we do have public documentation on how
we set things up.
Our puppet is public:
http://git.debian.org/?p=mirror/dsa-puppet.git
As are our new machine setup notes:
https://dsa.debian.org/howto/new-machine/
https://dsa.debian.org/howto/puppet-setup/
service has a sustainable maintainance model (active team +
> instructions on how to contribute, run a local copy, etc. + DFSG-free)
> - the service's design does not raise security or scalability concerns
I think you attach excessive importance to the TLD of a s
would probably
> need to be set up in additional regions - are we likely to have
> resources for that or is this something that would take resources away
> from other initiatives?
We have hosting in several places. Depending on how much resource these
servers need and
tely, but possibly making it more
clear would be a good thing. Either that, or I'd get so many mails
telling me I'm being stupid I wouldn't get anything else done :)
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This one time, at band camp, Simon Paillard said:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 11:07:05PM +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
> > On Wed Oct 16, 2013 at 21:01:08 +0200, Simon Paillard wrote:
> > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 07:54:04PM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote:
> > &
because they are actually
worse, if you see what I mean.
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x27;t have any metrics about the
tradeoffs, all we have are emotional responses. I'd like to start
trying, so we can collect those metrics and make an informed decision.
We can always say, "thanks but no thanks" later, right?
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zon) gives 5Mo/s.
This is an important data point. If cloudfront is outperformed by our
current mirror infrastructure, it becomes less appealing. After all,
we're trying to make things better, not worse.
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ling up
weasel to look
= Next meeting =
September 13, 2013
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as precisely the problem with the GR
in the first place - it was a "somebody should really do that"
statement, and Debian has never worked that way.
Just sayin'
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I don't agree.
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This one time, at band camp, Didier Raboud said:
> Le dimanche, 29 janvier 2012 14.15:55, Stephen Gran a écrit :
> > Hello,
> >
> > Unfortunately, one of the pair of machines providing the alioth service
> > (vasks.debian.org) won't power on. We are working
better than my Georgian :)
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This one time, at band camp, Tollef Fog Heen said:
> ]] Stephen Gran
>
> Hi Stephen,
>
> First, I'd like to say thanks to all of you for maintaining the
> debian.org infrastructure. As a fellow sysadmin, I know how little
> visibility we have, except when things go
box is in LDAP, then yes, I think
that's sensible.
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Hello all,
This past weekend, several DSA (Stephen Gran, Peter Palfrader and Martin
Zobel-Helas) met in Munich to talk about some of the issues facing DSA.
We discussed the following issues:
- userdir-ldap (the Debian account management system): Most of the changes
needed here are programmatic
This one time, at band camp, Mike Hommey said:
> On Sun, Sep 05, 2010 at 10:36:16AM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > merkel.debian.org, aka nm.debian.org, qa.debian.org, etc., has become
> > increasingly unstable over the past few months. Due to upcoming cha
the stuff
> is simply disclosed. Those people who don't want their stuff disclosed
> are the ones that should be doing the work, no?
Given that that's not the process we voted on, no.
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y waiting for a multi-TB sync from
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template. The downside of doing it that
way is we have none of the NM process information available.
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ts who aren't yet ready.
Maybe you should do some work in the areas you're complaining about?
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yway, I think it's clear the service is popular, so EOT from me.
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h having, but I don't think we
need to rush towards it.
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fter an upgrade (and you've checked that
it's not just a problem with your code ;), please don't hesitate to ask for
assistance at the usual places.
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people
> might be feeling that way.
Dato didn't sign his proposal mail, so this can't be a valid GR proposal,
AIUI. All I meant was that I second the feeling, rather than a formal
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s not going to be another way. :-(
>
> Proposal: hand Robert Millan a nice cup of STFU.
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This one time, at band camp, Stephen Gran said:
> Basic math says that in the described two way vote, if an option wins
> by 1.5Q, and the vote needs 3Q to be quorate, the number of people who
> have voted for the option is 2.25Q, which is more than the proposal.
> I don't
to build consensus,
and if consensus can't be reached, make it possible to create a few
compromises that people could live with before pretending we can resolve
our difference in 2 weeks with a vote looming.
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merits of either opinion. I just wanted to point out that the actual
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s sometimes impractical. Debian has to do a
better job about forwarding spam (and we are, slowly) but there's not
much we can do about good mail we can't deliver.
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hether or not a given mirror will switch to the new version is a
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we could
partner with an enterprise solution, we could resolve these misguided
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; and simultaneously
say 'but the release team does have the authority to downgrade these bug
reports if they need to'. Unless I've missed something and we're
planning on having a multi winner vote,
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> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 07:04:47PM +0000, Stephen Gran wrote:
> > Do you really honestly believe that people should join a team when they
> > can't get along with the existing members. Do you really honestly believe
> > th
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ecially when I know they are active in the project. I also
agree that the list should not be subscriber only, but you can't force
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Just my thoughts, and thanks for your interest.
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the
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This one time, at band camp, Steve Langasek said:
> On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 07:21:55PM +0000, Stephen Gran wrote:
> > This one time, at band camp, MJ Ray said:
> > > Also I assume Joerg Jaspert's reply is serious, even if I think it's
> > > mistaken - if some
with a random morality or legality in what
sense?
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t 'initial' policy.
Well done project for passing such a well thought out GR on the basis of
some disgruntlement and total lack of forethought. Let's do it again
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r time (witness the last
36 hours on #alioth), if I were you, I would ask the people who are
admins on the kernel team project, and stop tilting at imaginary
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administrator. I have all sorts of other things that occur to me to
say, but really, I think I'll stop there.
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discussing trademarks using the paradigm we're familiar with from
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This one time, at band camp, MJ Ray said:
> Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Bill's apparently under the impression that Debian has either a
> > legislative or an executive branch that exists and wields some
> > power, and this idea has apparently made hi
mpy. It's good for all of us
that this idea doesn't actually exist.
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does not mean we will not discuss this issue,
> or work on getting things better.
> END OF PROPOSAL
Seconded.
> I'm open for suggestions on how to better word this.
Something along the lines of "for the love of God will you all just shut
up for five minutes" is probably out of the question, huh?
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Debian gets some good work out of it. If they churn out crap, then we
ditch it and take away their svn access.
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u don't even have to resort to the bible for time == money proofs -
realtively modern philosophers like Marx say that money is frozen labor
(i.e., worker's time). Or are you trying to say something I'm not
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u're probably right, but I don't think anyone's talking
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; non-free software, and RMS has dedicated his life fighting against it.
Hence the GFDL.
/me ducks and runs for cover ...
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If people need ppc subarch
support, someone will step up and do the work. If noone steps up, we
didn't need the support. QED.
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xpect to hear
anything back - I never did with mikeeusa at any rate, although he seems
to have lost that address.
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ou the uploader.
This problem has already been solved.
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posting at all.
This is Jidanni you're talking to.
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This one time, at band camp, Nathanael Nerode said:
> Stephen Gran wrote:
> >Do you really think that there is a magical difference depending on
> >where you ship a file?
>
> It's not a "magical" difference. It's a documentation difference.
>
accusing people
of lying because they have a more sensible interpretation than you is a
strange way to attempt to influence people.
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free with some (fairly standard) restrictions. You can find out more
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This one time, at band camp, Sven Luther said:
> On Sat, Jun 04, 2005 at 05:47:50PM -0400, Stephen Gran wrote:
>
> Yeah, random underage people in this context being the children of the KDE
> desktop using users. Would you like your child to be subject to porn while you
> a
ill generate legal trouble for distributors,
so would a graphical browser. Quick, let's drop mozilla so no one can
look at a porn site. Good thinking.
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This one time, at band camp, R. Armiento said:
>
> Stephen Gran wrote:
> >If it offends you, don't use it. If it offends your site, have site
> >policy filter it. [...] Take a little responsibility for what you
> >install on your computer already.
>
> The
to see? Take
a little responsibility for what you install on your computer already.
Debian won't stop people from staring at the Sun until their eyes burn
out either. Is that a grave, normal, or wishlist bug?
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This one time, at band camp, Pascal Hakim said:
> On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 01:03 -0400, Stephen Gran wrote:
> > This one time, at band camp, John H. Robinson, IV said:
> > > Pascal Hakim wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2005-05-04 at 13:46 +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> > &
I have no idea
(haven't looked at the perl libraries for it and how much work it would
be).
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http://snapshot.debian.net/webalizer/
Bandwidth:
http://snapshot.debian.net/mrtg/
(all linked off the front page, BTW)
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ed, the person closed
the door behind them." without butchering it.
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Funny, it's exactly the same in Philadelphia.
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ny, and I'm trying to give some away.
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to date, but there is a
discussion about linux and almost any topic you can think of, from
desktop gaming to Server farms to pornography.
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