On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 14:25 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> and I'd be willing to accept that we may need to improve
Yes.
FYI Not my new toy. I'm not affiliated with and have no relation to
payswarm. The technical mechanism isn't as important as the social ones.
M
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On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 22:00 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> If that's what an upstream is after, they should pick a different
> software license;
Non-Commercial terms are non-free. If they want to exclude commercial
distribution they should not be involved in Free Software.
Free as in Freedom, the f
On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 21:18 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> how Debian is "in the way"
Debian takes code from websites with donation buttons, economic
incentive options, kickstarter updates, support contracts, developer
sponsorships, programs and projects of all kinds and general invitations
to parti
On Tue, 2013-06-18 at 04:28 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> Many DDs and DMs work as consultants or contractors. If a user wants
> to use their money as a tool for Debian development, they should hire
> one or more of these developers to work on the specific things the
> user is interested in.
Kick
On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 19:44 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> They are not the same thing at all. The social effects
> are almost completely different.
It's not a false equivalence. Participation is not just about being a
programmer, if you can convince a programmer to get involved on your
behalf, the
On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 19:03 -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> site requesting user's charity
You mean user's involvement. You don't want users to be invited to
participate in Debian. Debian isn't elitist and it shouldn't care that
the tool being deployed is money rather than time.
Your argument invites
On Sun, 2013-06-16 at 13:25 +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> If you're seriously attempting to equate "I'll buy you a beer if you
> help me" with "corrupt bribery", then I suspect the net effect is
> going to be that people stop reading the rest of your argument.
It's not serious, it's absurdism. A
are problems and it's impossible
to involve economics, they are problems with human psychology and
Debian's social structure, not with money itself.
Thanks for the debate.
Martin Owens
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important facet of the life-blood of our upstreams to our users. We are
instead acting to cut them off from each other unintentionally.
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On Thu, 2013-06-13 at 23:03 -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> We have never needed it
Such a mechanism would never be needed if the only people Debian should
serve are technical users who are able to involve themselves in the
project when they need it.
Excluding people with money is just another way of
ute to their female engineering and computer science students,
then 4 is a poor turnout.
But if the invitation only went to existing Debian people and
communicated within the Debian borders... the 4 is a fair turnout.
Does OPW have a web presence?
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On Wed, 2013-05-15 at 16:20 +, Mark Peterson wrote:
> Hope you are well. As part of our client research
Oh I was hoping this was going to be about how someone had invented an
Organic CEO for the Debian project. I was all jazzed up to hear about a
crazy system for keeping the right CEO in pow
ore importantly, getting
some tools put together or found that record money use, availability and
purpose.
http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/09/11/debian-money/
Regards, Martin Owens
On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 00:57 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Steve McIntyre
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