** On Jul 19, Marcus Brinkmann scribbled:
> Am Mit, 19 Jul 2000 16:04:57 Hamish Moffatt Sie:
> > I personally see two goals for Debian:
> > 1. Produce a high quality, open source UNIX system.
> > 2. Introduce people to open source ideals.
>
> Debian was founded long before the Open Source movemen
** On Jun 16, John Goerzen scribbled:
> Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > > > We could manage non-free separately but quality control would suffer.
> > >
> > > People keep claiming this but nobody has yet shown why.
> >
> > Namespace conflicts for one.
>
> I see no reason why th
** On Jun 16, John Goerzen scribbled:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marek Habersack) writes:
>
> > ** On Jun 13, John Goerzen scribbled:
> >
> > [snip]
> > > > facts I outlined are true, then the GR doesn't make sense at all! ANd that's
> > >
&
** On Jun 16, John Goerzen scribbled:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marek Habersack) writes:
>
> > > > > We could manage non-free separately but quality control would suffer.
> > > >
> > > > People keep claiming this but nobody has yet shown why.
> > &
** On Jun 13, Hamish Moffatt scribbled:
> > Actually, some of these areas are dumping grounds for software that
> > specifically cannot meat that policy.
>
> _That_ is a bug in policy, IMHO. contrib should not be a dumping
> ground for poor quality packages. I have argued that on debian-devel
** On Jun 13, John Goerzen scribbled:
[snip]
> > facts I outlined are true, then the GR doesn't make sense at all! ANd that's
>
> Why? Why does it not make sense to remove the non-free software from
> the Debian Project?
Because many developers and users think and have written so that it would
** On Jun 12, Colin Walters scribbled:
> >>>>> "Marek" == Marek Habersack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Marek> No, Debian is obligated to provide *functional* software,
> Marek> that's it. The software should be free, that's
** On Jun 11, John Goerzen scribbled:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marek Habersack) writes:
>
> > That would be acceptable, but I see just two points. First is a technical
> > one:
> >
> > - if a package is fetched from a site outside of the Debian control, the
> >
** On Jun 11, Jeff Licquia scribbled:
> > > *I* am not ready to make any guarantees. Most of that isn't software
> > > I use.
>
> > That you don't use those packages doesn't make them unnecessary.
>
> It makes it unnecessary for me.
I see. So, if you don't use mutt, then you don't care that it
** On Jun 11, Jeff Licquia scribbled:
> On Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 12:54:34AM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
> > No, it isn't. I see that *right now* (and *right now* is when you created
> > your GR) there is no morally honest way to take the software from our users.
>
>
** On Jun 11, John Goerzen scribbled:
> Bolan Meek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I suggest that the non-free packages be replaced by installer
> > assistants,
>
> I would support such a solution as a compromise, and in fact, have
> already indicated such. As long as Debian does not distribu
** On Jun 10, John Goerzen scribbled:
> How about leaving the choice to the people, not bugging the users, and
> not crippling the distribution? That's what I've proposed.
What?? You left NO choice to the users with your GR. Right now they have the
choice to download software off the net, all on
** On Jun 10, John Goerzen scribbled:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marek Habersack) writes:
>
> > > I feel compelled to point out here for the umpteenth time that
> > > non-free software is not part of the distribution, has never been, and
> > > no doubt never will be.
** On Jun 10, John Goerzen scribbled:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marek Habersack) writes:
>
> > > So what if Netscape is missing from unstable? Users aren't running
> > > unstable, and developers are sufficiently mature to know how to deal
> > > with the situ
** On Jun 10, Joseph Carter scribbled:
> On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 05:12:11PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > The general resolution to abolish non-free is flawed in a number of ways.
>
> Perhaps..
>
>
> > It weakens the social contract
> > ==
> >
> > The social contr
** On Jun 10, Bolan Meek scribbled:
> Greetings: God bless you.
>
> Noting the tension between proponents of purifying in Debian's support
> for
> Free Software by removing non-free from what is now unstable (woody),
> and proponents of supporting the users of non-free software by
> continuing
>
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