On Mon, Dec 30 2019, Steven Robbins wrote:
> In another thread, Russ Allbery makes a salient observation [1]:
>
> Requiring ftpmasters to [review debian/copyright before accepting an
> upload] is a choice that Debian has made. Maybe it's the right choice,
> but other choices exis
On Wed, Dec 25 2019, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 11:11:43AM -0500, Scott Kitterman a écrit :
>>
>> More generally, New is being processed as fast as it can given available
>> volunteer time. Any delays are not reflective of a lack of value placed on
>> people's contributi
On Wed, Dec 25 2019, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> On 2019/12/24 20:08, John Goerzen wrote:
>
>> But at the same time, I feel that the project as a whole isn't really
>> taking this problem very seriously.
>
> That is true, probably mostly because many people don't
On Tue, Dec 24 2019, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 10:51:04 AM EST John Goerzen wrote:
> ...
>> pygopherd was removed from testing. That makes sense. But also from
>> sid, hours after I replied to the bug about this explaining that I was
>> ac
On Tue, Dec 24 2019, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
> Le mardi 24 décembre 2019 à 09:51:04-0600, John Goerzen a écrit:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I mean this post as a challenge, but not as blame. I know many teams do
>> hard work that can be thankless, and my intent is not to blam
Hi,
I mean this post as a challenge, but not as blame. I know many teams do
hard work that can be thankless, and my intent is not to blame them, but
to challenge us as a project to question our processes and attitudes.
Here's what I mean:
On October 12, I uploaded glktermw, a new package. On O
On Tue, Jul 02 2019, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> On 2019/07/02 11:26, Marc Haber wrote:
>> I do feel significantly less welcome in Debian since diversity /
>> antiharassment / policitcal correctnes / CoC came around the corner.
>
> How so regarding diversity/antiharassment/CoC? They do nothing to
> t
Dear folks,
I wise man once told me, years ago, that he had unsubscribed from
debian-devel because of all the noise. I had thought that rather odd at
the time, but have come to appreciate it since.
Like many, I have my opinion in the init system (my choice: sysvinit -
it ain't broke, and I alrea
On 11/11/2010 06:01 AM, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
Furthermore there are reports of webbugs in some feeds syndicated on
planet, or things that systematically leak browsing behaviour to third
parties by including images directly from these sides.
I don't know much about this one, so no posi
On 11/04/2010 07:06 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
Agreed. Others have expressed the position that reading occasional
non-Debian posts in the Planet Debian flow helps to relate to other
members as people with lives outside Debian; that seems something of
value that we should be careful not to sacrifice c
On 08/16/2010 08:30 PM, Stephen Frost wrote:
In particular, developing a code of conduct/community guideline that
encourages use of a facilitator to resolve conflicts, with a goal to
avoid needing to escalate to anything beyond that. One of the issues
that came up at DebConf, and is discussed in
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 06:12:08PM +0200, David Paleino wrote:
> Please don't take this as a provoking mail, I'm in NM, and God knows how many
> times I've read the Social Contract (and DFSG, and DMUP, and $policy) before
> applying :)...
> Did I miss something?
No. I agree with you, and actually
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 11:24:18PM +0200, David Paleino wrote:
> > vote :-)
>
> Probably :)
> If I were a DD (-- and I'm NM), I'd think a bit more before proposing a GR to
> *completely* remove non-free. Non-free is, for some users, necessary (I'd
> happily --purge flashplugin-nonfree, but I can't
On Mon February 25 2008 2:29:27 pm Ingo Juergensmann wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 10:01:31PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > On ma, 2008-02-25 at 10:31 -0500, David Moreno wrote:
> > > IMHO, the DPL position should have less showcase and more time to get
> > > some real work done during time (
On Thu January 31 2008 9:35:08 am Richard Hecker wrote:
> This looks like confirmation that vorlon was right to
> mistrust HennaX as a female.
But surely that is not a requirement to be in that channel, right? I mean,
if vorlon and Clint were there
I am not saying I mistrust vorlon or anyo
On Fri December 14 2007 8:00:10 am Martin Schulze wrote:
> The "official" way for this would be to use the bsmtp service on gluck.
> Having a private UUCP installation on master is... interesting.
Where can we find documentation on this bsmtp service?
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On Monday 06 August 2007 1:28:20 pm Otavio Salvador wrote:
> Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > But then again: Ian Murdock is there because he is the Debian founder,
> > right? I do not know if nowadays he is in any actual way _related to_
> > Debian. Yes, not all Planet members are DDs (
On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 11:35:25AM +0300, Linas ??virblis wrote:
> I would define it like this:
>
> 1. Started using - the moment one installed his/her first Debian system.
> 2. Joined community - first post to the mailing list; most probably
>asking for advice or providing advice to somebody
On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 04:11:37PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> But 2 Jan 1996 was a Tuesday and
> http://archive.debian.org/dists/Debian-1.3.1/main/source/net/modemu_0.0.1-1.dsc
> seems to be signed with 2048 bit RSA key E9B2C0BD, created: 1997-01-01.
>
> That would explain why modemu at sunsite (now i
On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 03:44:08PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I am trying to find out exactly when I joined Debian.
> [...]
> > 1) The date of my first upload
>
> Oldest signature block claiming you to be a DD s
Hi folks,
I am trying to find out exactly when I joined Debian.
This is not as easy as it might seem.
There seem to be three possible dates:
1) The date of my first upload
2) The date my account was created on master
3) The date my key was added to the keyring
I'm pretty sure that this all w
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:59:46PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:54:44PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:14:22PM +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Sven, will you stop replying -private mails on -project ?
>
> Why shou
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 11:20:00PM +0100, Piotr Dziubinski wrote:
> I'm very irritated and disappointed with your policy! Why?
>
> I've used various Linux distributions for 8 years. I've been using Debian
> for the last 6 months, but today I changed my mind!
>
> After updating Firefox in Debian I
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 10:54:38PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Surely we have passed this point a month or two ago. We are wasting
> > everyone's time.
> >
> > Sven, please just live and let live.
>
> John, what do you think this is all about ? I would be very very happy to
> follow this advic
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 09:20:24PM +0100, Loïc Minier wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 31, 2006, Sven Luther wrote:
> > Well, on various suggestions, i have written the following text :
> > http://wiki.debian.org/SvenLutherAndDI
>
> Would have been nice to clarify that this is your personal opinion on
>
This is an edited copy of something I posted to -private yesterday. I
think it is relevant to all the discussions here, and have a few things
to add.
Back in the old FidoNet days, the policy for discussion was something
along the lines of:
Don't be excessively annoying, and don't be easily ann
On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 08:48:03PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> and used Debian packaging, here's what was required only to get the
> binary package installed:
>
> http://www.backports.org sarge-backports/main module-init-tools 3.2.2-2bpo1
> [79.3kB]
> http://www.backports.org sarge-backports/m
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 09:03:12PM +0900, Kenshi Muto wrote:
> At Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:52:29 +0200,
> Michael Banck wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 08:43:53AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > > It would be good, though, especially in order to have some support for
> > > hardware that has entered
On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 08:43:53AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> John Goerzen wrote:
> > Examples of things that should happen in stable, but haven't been
> > happening reliably:
> >
> > * Kernel updates with more broad hardware support
>
> This requires
Hello,
The Debian stable distribution has been a thorn in our side for a long
time. We tend to go a long time between releases, which means that
stable grows less and less useful as time goes on. We also have a
strict policy on what is allowed into stable.
This policy has many merits, especiall
an NMU. After all, it's one less
thing I have to do to it, right?
I do get extremely irritated when someone NMUs my package and breaks
it and disappears. But that's only happened a couple of times to me.
--
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Author, Foundations of Python Network Programming
http://www.a
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 04:52:07AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Debian developers are given automatic status as contributing members in
> SPI, and I know two board members have explicitly encouraged people
> to be involved in SPI recently:
>
> http://wiki.gag.com/cgi-bin/blosxom/2006/07/20#2
On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 11:04:47AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>
> > Yes, Debian does have a role to play when SPI is deciding whether to
> > (for example) support voting software. The actual decision will of
> > course be taken by SPI via SPI's channels, but Debian is entitled to
> > fully pa
On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 11:36:34PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Why? I have very little feeling for what SPI does, as long as
> they do not lose Debian money for the third time. Considering all
> SPI has to do is take in money designated for Debian, and hold it in
> a bank (somethi
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 04:35:31PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 09:23:41AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> > I don't see what that has to do with the simple fact of what the vote
> > was about and how it turned out.
>
> So, you think that the vote
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 03:57:01PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 08:35:02AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> > That's not correct. The project simply voted not to removed it at that
> > time, by defeating the GR. There was no affirmative vote to keep
>
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 09:22:07AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> I want to remind you all, that previous to the two GRs which clarified the
> meaning of what we must consider free, we had a widely disputed GR on the fate
> of our non-free section, and we all voted to keep it, especially because there
On Mon, Oct 24, 2005 at 11:42:29AM -0700, Patrick Mccall wrote:
> I downloaded the first debian cd to install the os and
> try it out. After going through the install process
> and rebooting with no errors I get a dos-like system..
> Is this all debain is?? I didnt even get a gui!!!.
No, it's not.
On Sun, Jun 19, 2005 at 12:40:19PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> I disagree. These days, any moron and their father can set up a mail
> server with proper queuing. That does not mean they can protect it
> against relaying. I se *no* (read that again: NO) reason why anyone
> should run a mail spoo
On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 11:16:43PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >I have not received any suggestions about this, the debian-admins
> >have not answered my (or Joy's) mails and the CNAME is still wrong.
> >My original request is dated April 12.
>
> Update: no updates.
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 12:35:31AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> I have not received any suggestions about this, the debian-admins
> have not answered my (or Joy's) mails and the CNAME is still wrong.
> My original request is dated April 12.
You know, that particular situation is really, really po
On Sun, Apr 17, 2005 at 04:31:19PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * John Goerzen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > 1) Finding problems, reporting bugs, submitting patches
> >
> > 2) Answering questions on the mailing lists from developers that need
> > help solving an a
On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 12:44:23PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> [I am not subscribed to the spi-trademark list.]
Nor am I.
[ much snippage ]
> I'm CCing John Goerzen, the SPI President -- John, if you think it would be
> a good idea, please ask David to add an SPI Trademark Co
On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 09:22:24PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 06:44:33PM -0600, Ean Schuessler wrote:
> > I didn't post that status nor are we actively monitoring it. Someone from
> > Alpha needs to get proactive and run the ball if they care about that
> > machine.
>
MJ,
I don't really know myself what the procedures are, but I'm CCing the
trademark list on this for their feedback.
-- John
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 05:11:30PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> SPI board members,
>
> The debian project leader recently reported problems with the
> debiangnulinux.com and .n
On Sun, Mar 27, 2005 at 07:51:40PM +0200, Sebastian Feltel wrote:
> Martin Schulze schrieb am 27.03.2005 19:35:
> >Try [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Thanks. I'll try.
The amd64 project may appreciate this --
http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/.
-- John
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Because you typed:
debian-projects
instead of
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On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 02:57:42PM -0800, Mr. Jan Hearthstone wrote:
>
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Date: 27 Jan 2005 22:53:18 -
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: failure notice
> >
> >
On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 05:38:52PM +, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project
Leader wrote:
> * Helen Faulkner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-12-14 16:41]:
> > (OT) Is information about Debian's financial status available
> > publically? Where would I look to be able to form my own opinion as
> > to wh
On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 07:20:05AM -0900, Bill Dammeyer wrote:
> Before I decided to go with debian/linux, I read "Why Debian" on your site.
> It is a shame that
> you don't have a "Why Not Debian, or Linux, for that matter" article also.
> In the four months
> I have been trying to use Debian, I
On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 11:02:51AM -0400, David Baer wrote:
> Got a question that should be pretty easy to answer. I am looking into
> building an AMD Athlon64 machine. Is the IA64 debian iso specific to Intel
> or can I use it with the AMD's processor? Is it optimised for AMD64?
IA64 is completel
On Fri, May 07, 2004 at 05:15:59PM +1000, Parsons, Drew wrote:
> Let me explain what I mean. I am a member of the Debian Project, I am a
> Debian developer.
>
> I am not the DPL. I entrust that leadership role to Martin.
You vote (or can) for the DPL, and thus exercise oversight over that
posi
did say many things. And I was not the only one offended
> by it. It was extremely sexist. Debian looked like (and probably is) a
> boys club.
Could you perhaps provide a URL or some background on this talk, so
those of us unfamiliar with the event may learn about it?
Thanks,
John Goerzen
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 11:21:21PM -0600, Graham Wilson wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 12:25:13PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 09:44:23AM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> > > That would be a godsend. It would work, too. It's happening
On Tue, Mar 09, 2004 at 09:44:23AM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Philippe Strauss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >More seriously, my point is:
> >Is there any hope to one day, to adapt debian to the number of packages
> >it bears and split release cycles bet
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 09:05:01PM -0600, David Moreno Garza wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 20:15:25 -0500
> Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Perhaps we need to reconsider our official recognition of Freenode's
> > #debian as a Project resource.
>
> Couldn't it be a good idea to for
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 08:17:44PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 07:34:11AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > meekness is found in both men and women, and meek men are discouraged from
> > participating in debian (and other groups) just as much as women are. men
> > suffer
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 12:00:28PM +0100, Bartosz Fenski aka fEnIo wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 11:25:36AM +0100, Stephan Austermühle wrote:
> > > > I cannot reach security.debian.org since saturday or so. What's up?
> > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/debian-news-2004/msg5.html
> > I
On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 10:55:30AM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 03:10:06PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> > I further caution that it is dangerous to draw conclusions on the
> > feelings of the project based on the unauthenticated responses of only
> >
On Mon, Jan 26, 2004 at 03:02:04PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 03:10:06PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> > We are not talking here about people making excessive use of resources
> > (which is already covered under the DMUP if memory serves). For
> &
On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 08:13:23PM +, Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project
Leader wrote:
> * Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-23 10:47]:
> > 3.) Would it suffice to document the (presumable) opinion of the
> > project in the Debian Developer's Reference as 'best practice'?
>
> Document
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 02:54:50PM -0700, Matthew W. Sanders wrote:
> If I migrate all of my systems to Debian, you aren't going to drop support
> on me are you? What is the foreseeable future of support on your product?
> RedHat has me [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why would I want to upgrade to another one
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 01:43:46PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > Nope.
>
> So, nobody's owning up to having banned him, there's been no explanation
> of why he was banned, there's no information as to how long the ban is
> to be in place, there's been no appeals or review process offered for
On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 02:23:37PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> This change was quite recent (since 14 August 2003), if we are to accept
> as true the assertion in the first comment on the article at:
I find myself wondering what relevance this has to any discussion on any
list it was posted o
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 04:47:29PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2001/debian-legal-200112/msg00027.html
> > > "The Social Contract does not say: Debian Will Remain 100% Free Software
> > > and Some Other Things That Aren't Software But Which Are Also Free
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 04:50:51PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> I'm not going to respond to this message except to point you to this:
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2001/debian-legal-200112/msg00250.html
>
> PLEASE NOTE: I no longer stand by my assertions in points 2) and 3) of
> th
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 08:53:24AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> I was responding to your post at
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200308/msg03193.html,
> which among other things appeared to assert that everything in Debian is
> software, and that I am
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 02:06:04AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> Not only did you ignore my Mail-Followup-To header, to which I drew your
> attention in the very first line of my reply, but you mailed me a
> private copy of your message.
I always use "g" to respond to mailing list posts in mut
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 10:45:16AM -0400, Mike Dresser wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
>
> > A single CD (CD #1) is sufficient to install a system including X.
>
> And if someone has internet access while installing, they can do the
> debian mirror system a favour, and only gr
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 02:08:50AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > Never mind unofficial:
> > http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-non-US
> ^^
> We don't have official security mirrors. Probably should rethink that.
Err, oops, I read that too fast, thought he w
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 12:50:53PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Richard van den Berg wrote:
> > Is it possible to set up a mirror somewhere for the time being?
>
> There are a number of unofficial mirrors available. If you need one in .nl
> try this one:
>
> deb http://ftp.debian.n
t the site, it's on my DSL and it gets pretty booked
up. Try again when you get a chance. Thanks.
(http://somegeek.org/why.html)
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On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 11:26:16PM -0400, Vaidhy Mayilrangam wrote:
> Usually, I stay away from all discussions of this sort.. but this one
> seems to be too political for Debian's own good.
What makes it "political" any more than any other Debian discussion?
> For what I understand, most attac
On Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 05:06:27PM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> A wild _technical_ card. I refuse to support a move that we don't have
> technical confidence in; despite the splits, OpenProjects has not been
> a disappointment on that side. It also is even less likely to vanish.
I'm not so
On Sat, Aug 17, 2002 at 07:07:00PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> Insert standard rant about abuse of the word "spam". Observe that with
> a single command at the start of every connection (I'm working on ways
> to make it a one-shot command that persists for all connections by the
> same user, b
On Sat, Aug 17, 2002 at 07:02:08AM -0500, Rob Levin wrote:
> There are two issues. The first issue whether it's appropriate for a
> non-profit to ask for modest funds to run its projects. We've worked to
> ensure that our fundraising has minimum impact on the network, and we've
This "minimum im
On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 06:01:21PM -0500, Rob Levin wrote:
> It's not all Debian, by any means. There are quite a few projects on OPN,
> now freenode. I think the Debian project benefits from the cross-
There are also projects that you have booted off because you didn't like
their discussion.
Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> After looking at the logs of the failed builds at [2] it seems that
> there's a build problem related with guppi.
Yes. I believe this is a bug in guppi (see #122297, #123222).
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Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2000 at 10:33:17PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> > My proposal does not throw out the social contract. It strengthens
> > it. I fail to see how you can call supporting and spreading non-free
> > software
Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 13-Jun-00, 01:57 (CDT), John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > ...Nor did I say that it is not useful simply because I did not use
> > it. Nor, I think, did anyone else support my position on those
> >
Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 5. Is it right to deprive people the ability and right to
> > fix or modify software that Debian distributes?
>
> The majority of software in non-free does not, in fact, limit these
> rights. It either limits the right to distribute such chang
Carsten Leonhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > You presume to infer far too much in many ways.
> >
> > First, you infer that net utility declines when non-free is removed.
> > I am unconvinced.
>
> Why exactly did you package non-free/idled? Even though you seem to be
> unconvinced that it e
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marek Habersack) writes:
> > > > We could manage non-free separately but quality control would suffer.
> > >
> > > People keep claiming this but nobody has yet shown why.
> >
> > Namespace conflicts for one.
> - version conflicts
What do you mean?
> - compliance with the
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > We could manage non-free separately but quality control would suffer.
> >
> > People keep claiming this but nobody has yet shown why.
>
> Namespace conflicts for one.
I see no reason why this has to be a problem. We do not have
namespace confli
Dirk Eddelbuettel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 01:27:40AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> > By your argument, again, we ought to just allow everything in. This
>
> You won't win an argument by inventing arguments you wish your opponent had
> s
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marek Habersack) writes:
> ** On Jun 13, John Goerzen scribbled:
>
> [snip]
> > > facts I outlined are true, then the GR doesn't make sense at all! ANd that's
> >
> > Why? Why does it not make sense to remove the non-free software fro
Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On 13-Jun-00, 01:30 (CDT), John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 03:30:04PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> > >
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > To reaffirm the principles you are working to erode.
> >
> > Your principles are the support and spreading of non-free software?
>
> Not at all. I refer to the principles stated in the Debian
> Social Contract:
>
> 5. Programs That Don't Mee
hat's
Why? Why does it not make sense to remove the non-free software from
the Debian Project?
> the whole point - the GR is a purely political move (and not a very clean,
> moral and right one...)
>
> regards,
> marek
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Jason Gunthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> John has said that non-free has ceased to be useful based on the fact that
> he doesn't actually make use of it, and many others agreed with this
> assesement. So here is a slightly different perspective.
Jason, you are so badly distorting my positi
Ryan White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I too would be forced to use another dist if the non-free software was no
> longer maintained by debian. I like many other people have put a lot of
Why? Why could you not just install it yourself or update your
sources.list? After all, this is no worse
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marek Habersack) writes:
> I never questioned anybody's morality. I only questioned morality of the
> situation where we're taking away something from someone (and do it by
> force) without giving them anything else instead. I think it is immoral
> (note: I don't say that *some
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> So why do we need to manage it and distribute it from our servers?
> Because that's the best way to maintain quality control. Add-on packages
> from the Debian project must meet the Debian project's policy, which
Actually, some of these areas are dump
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 03:30:04PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> > What do we need this in a GR for?
>
> To reaffirm the principles you are working to erode.
Your principles are the support and spreading of non-free software?
Ju
By your argument, again, we ought to just allow everything in. This
is clearly not what Debian is about. We are about Free Software here,
folks. Allowing non-free does not increase net utility; it decreases
it. The greatest increase in net utility will come by promoting Free
Software rather th
Taketoshi Sano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Does Debian include non-free software?"
> "Any of the Debian packages itself doesn't include non-free, No."
> "Then users can't use the packages for non-free softwares ?"
> "Some un-official packages in contrib can install non-free softwares
> v
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marek Habersack) writes:
> That would be acceptable, but I see just two points. First is a technical
> one:
>
> - if a package is fetched from a site outside of the Debian control, the
>Debian project cannot guarantee the quality of service, because it cannot
>guarant
Bolan Meek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I suggest that the non-free packages be replaced by installer
> assistants,
I would support such a solution as a compromise, and in fact, have
already indicated such. As long as Debian does not distribute the
non-free code itself.
-- John
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