Scott Kitterman writes:
> I think that makes sense, but I think it's really pretty much the same
> thing. The "perceived authority" that means people treat feedback from
> DAM differently is the authority to suspend or expell. Ultimately and
> unavoidably, a DAM warning comes with an undercurre
On February 21, 2022 5:32:35 AM UTC, Russ Allbery wrote:
>Scott Kitterman writes:
>> On Sunday, February 20, 2022 10:13:03 PM EST Russ Allbery wrote:
>
>>> I guess the other possibility is that people really want warnings to be
>>> way more serious than any meaning I personally would ascribe t
Scott Kitterman writes:
> On Sunday, February 20, 2022 10:13:03 PM EST Russ Allbery wrote:
>> I guess the other possibility is that people really want warnings to be
>> way more serious than any meaning I personally would ascribe to the
>> word "warning" and are thinking of them as formal project
On Sunday, February 20, 2022 10:13:03 PM EST Russ Allbery wrote:
> Sam Hartman writes:
> > Figuring out how to accomplish requesting a statement is a little
> > tricky, but I think it is worth the effort. DAM takes membership
> > actions (including warnings) by consensus. It's fairly difficult t
On Sunday, February 20, 2022 5:24:47 PM EST Sam Hartman wrote:
> > "Felix" == Felix Lechner writes:
> In the interest of full disclosure, I no longer have any affiliation
> with DAM.
>
> Felix> With regard to disciplinary proceedings, however, Debian has
> Felix> a long way to go in i
> "Russ" == Russ Allbery writes:
Russ> Sam Hartman writes:
Russ> I dunno, I realize I may be being too cavalier here, but see
Russ> the point above about making more decisions, faster, and
Russ> accepting a few mistakes. If we end up with a rash of bogus
Russ> warnings,
Sam Hartman writes:
> Figuring out how to accomplish requesting a statement is a little
> tricky, but I think it is worth the effort. DAM takes membership
> actions (including warnings) by consensus. It's fairly difficult to get
> all the members of DAM together.
> I don't think it would work
> "Felix" == Felix Lechner writes:
Felix> Alas, I'll venture that the folks whose opinions you consider
Felix> superior have never been punished.
The word punished implies a framing of the problem I personally reject.
But if for example you'd consider being banned from the BTS a
puni
Felix Lechner wrote on 20/02/2022 at 22:22:51+0100:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 12:55 PM Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
>>
>> Cc-ing you, but if you prefer not being replied directly for lists on
>> which you're subscribed, please do tell.
>
> Without specific requests to the contrary, I cop
Felix Lechner wrote on 20/02/2022 at 23:42:31+0100:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 2:25 PM Sam Hartman wrote:
>>
>> A number of people over the years have talked about embodying some of
>> the processes and protections of a trial in community management actions
>> in Debian. That has includ
Hi,
On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 2:25 PM Sam Hartman wrote:
>
> A number of people over the years have talked about embodying some of
> the processes and protections of a trial in community management actions
> in Debian. That has included ideas like having the project as a whole
> decide/affirm the
> "Felix" == Felix Lechner writes:
In the interest of full disclosure, I no longer have any affiliation
with DAM.
Felix> With regard to disciplinary proceedings, however, Debian has
Felix> a long way to go in implementing basic precepts of
Felix> justice. For example, it would be
Hi,
On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 12:55 PM Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote:
>
> Cc-ing you, but if you prefer not being replied directly for lists on
> which you're subscribed, please do tell.
Without specific requests to the contrary, I copy folks only on bugs
and not on lists but please handle that as yo
Cc-ing you, but if you prefer not being replied directly for lists on
which you're subscribed, please do tell.
Felix Lechner wrote on 20/02/2022 at 20:50:24+0100:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 10:23 AM Steve McIntyre <93...@debian.org> wrote:
>>
>> We should **not** be using the CoC as a ham
Hi,
On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 10:23 AM Steve McIntyre <93...@debian.org> wrote:
>
> We should **not** be using the CoC as a hammer, a tool to punish
> people. It's a set of guidelines, setting basic expectations about
> interactions one is going to have with people in Debian. People make
> mistakes
And of course I missed one update here... :-(
On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 06:20:33PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>
>### Community Team
>
>CT has been delegated with little power to **enforce** anything
>directly [1].
...
>[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2020/08/msg0.html
Apo
Hi all!
The DPL, Debian Account Managers (DAM) and Community Team participated
in a sprint on 12th-15th January 2022. We had initially hoped this
could be an in-person event, but in the end that proved impossible and
we chose to hold the event entirely online. All team members were
invited, but ti
On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 9:26 AM Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 10:02:13AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> [..]
> You described Reddit, just with some very complicated integration with
> your mail client.
Apologies for jumping into this, despite not having time to
participate p
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