Re: Merry Christmas more debian private leaks

2019-12-24 Thread Ansgar
Hi Paul, "Paul R. Tagliamonte" writes: > Very sad and disturbed by all of his behavior. I very much hope he gets the > help he needs and gets well soon. I would like to ask you to not comment on other people's mental health on public mailing lists. We don't do this for people who endorse individu

Re: I get to hope

2019-12-24 Thread gagz
Hello, sam: > But when you tell me that *i do not get to hope for that*--when you > presume that I don't know how hard it is, you go too far. That is an > attack on my identity that I feel more strongly than an attack on me > because I'm blind or queer. I know; I've experienced all of the > abov

Re: Understanding position of debian developer

2019-12-24 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 11:09 PM John Lenin wrote: > I was just going through debian project in general and had a problem in > understanding what debian developers are. The phrase "Debian Developer" refers to a Debian member; someone who has an account in the Debian LDAP account directory with t

Re: Merry Christmas more debian private leaks

2019-12-24 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le mardi 24 décembre 2019 à 17:54:38-0500, Paul R. Tagliamonte a écrit : > I'm not joking Daniel. We've met before. We all care for you. Please get help. > > http://www.health.vic.gov.au/mentalhealthservices/ > > My prayers are with you over the holidays. I know it can be tough. Please > spend >

Re: Merry Christmas more debian private leaks

2019-12-24 Thread Paul R. Tagliamonte
I'm not joking Daniel. We've met before. We all care for you. Please get help. http://www.health.vic.gov.au/mentalhealthservices/ My prayers are with you over the holidays. I know it can be tough. Please spend time with your family and relax. Happy holidays, Paul On Tue, Dec 24, 2019, 5:30 PM

Re: Merry Christmas more debian private leaks

2019-12-24 Thread Santa Claus
why do some people have a vendetta against this volunteer? speak behind his back at Christmas.  charming.  you prove the point about bullying in this great 'community' here De : Paul R. Tagliamonte À : debian-project@lists.debian.org Sujet : Re: Merry Christmas more debian private leaks

Re: I get to hope

2019-12-24 Thread Andy Simpkins
Quite simply i can't see why we can't all work and play nice togeather. It appears some of us need to follow some basic rules... 1. In ALL interactions with someone, you should treat them both with respect AND treat them as you would wish them to treat you and others. If you don't know how some

Re: Merry Christmas more debian private leaks

2019-12-24 Thread Paul R. Tagliamonte
Has anyone who's friends with pocock encouraged him to get help? Very sad and disturbed by all of his behavior. I very much hope he gets the help he needs and gets well soon. Paul On Tue, Dec 24, 2019, 6:55 AM Santa Claus wrote: > You can't polish a turd > > No matter how hard you try, you ca

Re: Merry Christmas more debian private leaks

2019-12-24 Thread Santa Claus
thanks for sharing Christmas love Message d'origine > De : Ondřej Surý > À : Santa Claus > Sujet : Re: Merry Christmas more debian private leaks > Date : 24/12/2019 14:08:41 Europe/Paris > Copie à : debian-project@lists.debian.org > > Oh, just fuck off. > > Merry Christmas to ever

I get to hope

2019-12-24 Thread Sam Hartman
> "gagz" == gagz writes: gagz> sam: >> I personally hope that we choose to respect people always--even >> when they do not respect us in return. gagz> If you also mean "we choose to always respect people, even gagz> when they did not respect us before", then take a punch

Re: Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-24 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, Dec 24 2019, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 10:51:04 AM EST John Goerzen wrote: > ... >> pygopherd was removed from testing. That makes sense. But also from >> sid, hours after I replied to the bug about this explaining that I was >> actively working on a port and

Re: Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-24 Thread John Goerzen
On Tue, Dec 24 2019, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > Le mardi 24 décembre 2019 à 09:51:04-0600, John Goerzen a écrit: >> Hi, >> >> I mean this post as a challenge, but not as blame. I know many teams do >> hard work that can be thankless, and my intent is not to blame them, but >> to challenge us

Re: Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-24 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Le mardi 24 décembre 2019 à 09:51:04-0600, John Goerzen a écrit : > Hi, > > I mean this post as a challenge, but not as blame. I know many teams do > hard work that can be thankless, and my intent is not to blame them, but > to challenge us as a project to question our processes and attitudes. >

Re: Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-24 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 10:51:04 AM EST John Goerzen wrote: ... > pygopherd was removed from testing. That makes sense. But also from > sid, hours after I replied to the bug about this explaining that I was > actively working on a port and asking it not to be removed. It was > anyway. Tha

Do we still value contributions?

2019-12-24 Thread John Goerzen
Hi, I mean this post as a challenge, but not as blame. I know many teams do hard work that can be thankless, and my intent is not to blame them, but to challenge us as a project to question our processes and attitudes. Here's what I mean: On October 12, I uploaded glktermw, a new package. On O

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2019-12-24 Thread Martina Ferrari
Hi Gagz, On 21 December 2019 16:41:03 GMT-03:00, gagz wrote: >I am myself a transwomen, and reading tina's post made me angry and sad >at the debian community. It also revived my never ending hopeless wish >to see things change. Tina you have my full (but sadly pretty much >useless) support. Th

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2019-12-24 Thread Martina Ferrari
Hi Nikolaus, On 23/12/2019 17:43, Nikolaus Rath wrote: > I'm honestly not sure what you mean with in "take risks and put your > body and privilege in the front line" in this context though. The only > thing I can think of is to write an email like this (which I haven't > done so far because I wan

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2019-12-24 Thread Ondřej Surý
The problem here is there were several responses telling Gerardo that his email was totally unacceptable in Debian and we don’t share his views, but the format of the media (mailing list) doesn’t allow a simple way to express +1 without generating thousands and thousands of emails. Ondrej -- On

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2019-12-24 Thread gagz
Hello, Charles Plessy: > […] >> politely and patiently educate the privileged ones. > > Just a side comment: at the moment in France "priviledged ones" is a > derogatory term to fingerpoint people who use their right to go on > strike. So please do not be surprised if at least some French peopl

Re: Merry Christmas more debian private leaks

2019-12-24 Thread Ondřej Surý
Oh, just fuck off. Merry Christmas to everyone else. -- Ondřej Surý > On 24 Dec 2019, at 12:55, Santa Claus wrote: > > You can't polish a turd > > No matter how hard you try, you can't conduct a bullying experiment on > volunteers for over a year and claim you are making the community bette

Merry Christmas more debian private leaks

2019-12-24 Thread Santa Claus
You can't polish a turd No matter how hard you try, you can't conduct a bullying experiment on volunteers for over a year and claim you are making the community better. A turd is still a turd and bullying is still bullying, no matter what the cabal calls it or what stories they make up to justi

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2019-12-24 Thread Rhonda D'Vine
    Hi Iustin, Am 23.12.19 um 17:43 schrieb Iustin Pop: > If so, that also troubles me somewhat. What Pierre-Elliott said in a > follow-up email (that neither the original email nor Tina's reply were > appropriate) is, IMO, how "equality for everyone in Debian" should be, > not that "oh, CoC is fl

Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC

2019-12-24 Thread Alexander Wirt
On Mon, 23 Dec 2019, Sam Hartman wrote: > > "Pierre-Elliott" == Pierre-Elliott Bécue writes: > > Pierre-Elliott> And having seen almost no one telling Geraldo such a > Pierre-Elliott> thing, I find it disturbing to see that much people > > I'm writing this to make it clear that Gera