On Tue, 27 Mar 2012, Jose Luis Rivas wrote:
> If is proposed to GR as it is written now, I will most probably vote
> against it too. I thought the diversity statement was to let everybody
> know they were welcome to work in the project, not that they have to
> think in certain way nor we will have
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:26:18AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> - donating to Debian 25% of the income they make from inbound traffic
> that originates from Debian users if DDG is a search engine option in
> a web browser
Now you have clarified its only this option I'm happy with this set
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> That's basically it, yes. Everything else is essentially ancillary stuff
> like governing law, that either part can break out of it, no warranties,
> how to dispute the traffic report if we want to, etc. The most important
> part of the information is the string we will
On 03/27/2012 09:53 AM, Piotr Ożarowski wrote:
> [Scott Kitterman, 2012-03-27]
>> We can always be accepting of people of any opinion. Trying to decide if
>> someone is having 'correct' thoughts to be in Debian is wrong. The focus
>> should be on what people do (and communication is one aspect
On 12-03-27 at 11:26pm, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:39:43AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Sorry if it is just me: What is our end of the agreement - apart
> > from being ok accepting money from them?
>
> That's basically it, yes. Everything else is essentially anci
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:33:37PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:46:25AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> > On the other hand, I suppose there's some tiny chance that Google will
> > be offended, and reduce sponsorship of DebConf, or be less willing to
> > give us GSoC p
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 01:55:37PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> > DDG will earmark traffic originating for Debian, for browsers who want
> > to do so, by using the search URL
> > https://duckduckgo.com/?q={{search}}&t=debian
>
> The privacy implications of this need to be considered. At least for
> C
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 02:21:22PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> So it is important that any agreement we enter into does not commit us
> to retaining any particular search engine, nor commit us to retaining
> it as the default. We should be free at any time to change the
> configuration we ship.
A
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:46:25AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> On the other hand, I suppose there's some tiny chance that Google will
> be offended, and reduce sponsorship of DebConf, or be less willing to
> give us GSoC projects, say. If we were being mercenary one might want
> to compare how mu
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:39:43AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Sorry if it is just me: What is our end of the agreement - apart from
> being ok accepting money from them?
That's basically it, yes. Everything else is essentially ancillary stuff
like governing law, that either part can break o
On mar., 2012-03-27 at 15:56 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> The second option (i.e. the 50% cut) is *not* currently on the table,
> simply because DDG is not the default search engine in web browsers
> shipped by Debian at present. What I'm proposing is to accept the 25%
> cut that will origina
[Stefano Zacchiroli]
> What they propose is:
>
> - donating to Debian 25% of the income they make from inbound traffic
> that originates from Debian users if DDG is a search engine option
> in a web browser
>
> - donating to Debian 50% of the same income if DDG is the default
> search engi
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> I've clarified to them that the choice of which search engine options
> are available in web browsers we ship, as well as the choice of which
> one is the default, are purely based on technical merit and won't be
> affected by us entering in such an agreement (if we do).
MJ Ray writes:
> Anyway, it's disappointing that only this point attracted any attention
> and the more urgent points either side (who will enforce it?
You don't enforce a diversity statement. That's not the point. It's an
aspirational statement of ideals, not a policy. If it were enforced, i
Steffen Möller wrote:
> The problem I see is with a
> competition with upstream. If we in any way lower the impact firefox
> has for google, then this has a direct effect not only on firefox but
> also on our relation with them and other upstreams.
That is what I came here to say. It needs to be
On 12-03-27 at 03:45pm, Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:15:30AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > More of a detail, but for the neurotypes, I think that it is
> > important to leave this out. On debian-devel, we have to be
> > accurate when we discuss about things (like init
]] "Thijs Kinkhorst"
> So I would advise to only make an effort to 'clean up' groups that have
> sufficiently 'dangerous' consequences attached to them.
It'll be of the form of a mail, once a year where you put an X next to
the group memberships you'd like to keep and send it back, gpg-signed,
o
]] "Thijs Kinkhorst"
> The collab-maint repository has been available to all DD's for a long
> while. We've been trying to get the secure-testing repository writable for
> all DD's, unfortunately the Alioth admins didn't have time to respond to
> that request yet, but the wish is certainly there.
[Scott Kitterman, 2012-03-27]
> We can always be accepting of people of any opinion. Trying to decide if
> someone is having 'correct' thoughts to be in Debian is wrong. The focus
> should be on what people do (and communication is one aspect of doing).
+1
FWIW: I will vote against the statem
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 03:39:27PM +0200, Luca BRUNO wrote:
> Stefano Zacchiroli scrisse:
>
> > What they propose is:
> >
> > - donating to Debian 25% of the income they make from inbound traffic
> > that originates from Debian users if DDG is a search engine option
> > in a web browser
> >
>
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 09:15:30AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 05:31:35PM +0200, Francesca Ciceri a écrit :
> > Even if bikeshedding is sometimes really annoying, this is the right way
> > to reach a consensus on a such important document and transform it from a
> > copy-
Mike Hommey writes ("Re: revenue sharing agreement with DuckDuckGo"):
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:46:25AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> > Of course establishing whether that's the case is not likely to be
> > possible, but I suppose the iceweasel maintainer could canvas opinions,
> > or just make a
Stefano Zacchiroli scrisse:
> What they propose is:
>
> - donating to Debian 25% of the income they make from inbound traffic
> that originates from Debian users if DDG is a search engine option
> in a web browser
>
> - donating to Debian 50% of the same income if DDG is the default
> search e
Stefano Zacchiroli writes ("revenue sharing agreement with DuckDuckGo"):
> The above are the facts. Based on them I'll need to take a decision of
> whether we accept their proposal or not. At present, I'm very much
> inclined to accept, for various reasons:
Yes.
> - The main risk I see in similar
On Tuesday, March 27, 2012 03:09:17 PM Francesca Ciceri wrote:
> It's kinda like a short circuit: diversity statement accept everyone who
> accept the diversity statement, and if your {opinion|ideology|religion}
> doesn't comply with it you'll don't want - in the first place - to be
> part of a pro
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 08:42:28AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
> Francesca Ciceri writes:
>
> > ** changes proposed for (1):
> > - s/religions/religious belief or disbelief/ (dkg)
>
> It's foolish to commit to respect all opinions. Some opinions (some
> political or religious beliefs, for ex
Philip Hands wrote at 2012-03-27 04:46 -0500:
> On the other hand, I suppose there's some tiny chance that Google will
> be offended, and reduce sponsorship of DebConf, or be less willing to
> give us GSoC projects, say. If we were being mercenary one might want
> to compare how much money we're l
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 12:16:52PM +0200, Steffen Möller wrote:
> On 03/27/2012 10:39 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > On 12-03-27 at 10:26am, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> >> Dear Project Members,
> >> thanks to the introductions by Mike Hommey, as Iceweasel maintainer,
> >> I've been approached by
Gunnar Wolf
> [...] if debian-women as re-formed today, it would probably be called
> debian-inclusiveness or something like that. It just does not stop at
> welcoming women and making Debian a gender-agnostic place.
So rename it?
> And, guys and girls in d-women, you are for me one of the most
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:46:25AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 10:26:18 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli
> wrote:
> ...
> > I welcome feedback on this matter,
>
> I already install DDG as default search engine on any (Linux or Windows)
> user that lets me fiddle with their setup, s
On 03/27/2012 10:39 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> On 12-03-27 at 10:26am, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
>> Dear Project Members,
>> thanks to the introductions by Mike Hommey, as Iceweasel maintainer,
>> I've been approached by a representative of the DuckDuckGo (DDG) search
>> engine [1] about a rev
On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 10:26:18 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli
wrote:
...
> I welcome feedback on this matter,
I already install DDG as default search engine on any (Linux or Windows)
user that lets me fiddle with their setup, so as far as I'm concerned
this is a case of us being paid to do something th
On 03/27/12 13:56, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
Dear Project Members,
thanks to the introductions by Mike Hommey, as Iceweasel maintainer,
I've been approached by a representative of the DuckDuckGo (DDG) search
engine [1] about a revenue sharing agreement among them and the Debian
Project.
[1] h
On 12-03-27 at 10:26am, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> Dear Project Members,
> thanks to the introductions by Mike Hommey, as Iceweasel maintainer,
> I've been approached by a representative of the DuckDuckGo (DDG) search
> engine [1] about a revenue sharing agreement among them and the Debian
> Pro
Dear Project Members,
thanks to the introductions by Mike Hommey, as Iceweasel maintainer,
I've been approached by a representative of the DuckDuckGo (DDG) search
engine [1] about a revenue sharing agreement among them and the Debian
Project.
[1] https://duckduckgo.com/
What they propose is:
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