On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 08:22:58AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
>
> You're the Secretary. You're supposed to give answers, not speculation. If
> the ballot was ambigous, or confusing, it is YOUR responsibility.
Bdale,
After sleeping over this, I really think I've been unnecesarily harsh, and
at
Le Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:57:31AM -0700, Bdale Garbee a écrit :
>
> It gives me great pleasure to welcome Russ Allbery and Don
> Armstrong as the newest members of the Technical Committee.
This is excellent news for the Project. Congratulations to Russ and Don, and
many thanks as well to Anthon
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:18:43PM +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:06:21PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 08:22:58AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
> > > You're the Secretary. You're supposed to give answers, not speculation.
> > > If
> > > the ball
Ean Schuessler writes:
> - "Russ Allbery" wrote:
>> If he wants to stop the release, he needs to propose a GR to override
>> the delegate decision, and it has to pass. Neither of those things have
>> happened. Until they do, this is all pointless noise.
> Some people cannot just leave well
On Sun January 11 2009 08:17:52 Ean Schuessler wrote:
> Ironically, Bdale *is* warping the results of the vote and applying an
> editorial voice to the interpretation of the results. I say "ironically"
> because Bdale's actions go far beyond anything Manoj did with regard to
> imposing his desires
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 08:22 +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 05:48:33PM -0700, Bdale Garbee wrote:
> > On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 01:04 +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
> > > What you describe sounds like option 3, or maybe option 4. What is your
> > > opinion on the fact that option 2
- "Russ Allbery" wrote:
> If he wants to stop the release, he needs to propose a GR to override the
> delegate decision, and it has to pass. Neither of those things have
> happened. Until they do, this is all pointless noise.
Some people cannot just leave well enough alone. Please do not a
* Stephen Gran [Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:17:33 +]:
> This one time, at band camp, Steve McIntyre said:
> > If things go much further we'll end up with enough seconds to force a
> > vote to "hand Robert Millan a nice cup of STFU". I'm hoping that's not
> > what anybody actually wants, but I can also
Ben Finney writes:
> Though there seem to be a number of people vocally wishing Robert
> would go away or the like, I have yet to see any substantive response
> to the questions he's raised in this thread.
I made a substantive response to these points weeks ago. He just didn't
like it.
I don't
This one time, at band camp, Steve McIntyre said:
> If things go much further we'll end up with enough seconds to force a
> vote to "hand Robert Millan a nice cup of STFU". I'm hoping that's not
> what anybody actually wants, but I can also understand why some people
> might be feeling that way.
D
- "Kalle Kivimaa" wrote:
> Umm, why shouldn't Bdale have his opinion about the results? Nowhere
> does it say that the (acting) Secretary is the authority to
> interprete GR results (that's not interpreting the Constitution).
> The people who do the interpretation are obviously the release
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 03:58:03PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
>On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 02:22:44PM +, Ben Finney wrote:
>> Ben Finney writes:
>>
>> > Though there seem to be a number of people vocally wishing Robert
>> > would go away or the like, I have yet to see any substantive
>> > resp
Ean Schuessler writes:
> Ironically, Bdale *is* warping the results of the vote and applying
> an editorial voice to the interpretation of the results.
Umm, why shouldn't Bdale have his opinion about the results? Nowhere
does it say that the (acting) Secretary is the authority to
interprete GR re
- "Robert Millan" wrote:
> The majority of developers voted to make an exception for firmware in
> Lenny. They did NOT vote to empower the Release Team to make exceptions
> as they see fit. Results of GR 2008/003 are crystal clear about this.
Unfortunately, nothing can be crystal clear abo
> > Proposal: hand Robert Millan a nice cup of STFU.
>
> Seconded.
+1, seconded too.
Michael
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On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 02:22:44PM +, Ben Finney wrote:
> Ben Finney writes:
>
> > Though there seem to be a number of people vocally wishing Robert
> > would go away or the like, I have yet to see any substantive
> > response to the questions he's raised in this thread.
Number of people wou
Adeodato Simó writes:
> * Robert Millan [Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:22:58 +0100]:
>
> > Currently, the only solution I see is that we ask the developers
> > what they think, and hold another vote.
>
> Yes, I'm realizing myself there is not going to be another way. :-(
>
> Proposal: hand Robert Mi
Ben Finney writes:
> Though there seem to be a number of people vocally wishing Robert
> would go away or the like, I have yet to see any substantive
> response to the questions he's raised in this thread.
My apologies: the current acting Secretary has, indeed, been engaging
substantively with t
This one time, at band camp, Adeodato Simó said:
> * Robert Millan [Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:22:58 +0100]:
>
> > Currently, the only solution I see is that we ask the developers what they
> > think, and hold another vote.
>
> Yes, I'm realizing myself there is not going to be another way. :-(
>
>
* Robert Millan [Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:22:58 +0100]:
> Currently, the only solution I see is that we ask the developers what they
> think, and hold another vote.
Yes, I'm realizing myself there is not going to be another way. :-(
Proposal: hand Robert Millan a nice cup of STFU.
--
Adeodato S
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:35:22AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>
> >> > Do you have any other idea in mind?
> > Btw, Joerg, that goes for you too. If you have something constructive to
> > say,
> > this would be a good time.
>
> How about you going elsewhere until Lenny is released, then coming
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 01:06:21PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 08:22:58AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
> > You're the Secretary. You're supposed to give answers, not speculation. If
> > the ballot was ambigous, or confusing, it is YOUR responsibility.
>
> It has to be
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 08:22:58AM +0100, Robert Millan wrote:
> You're the Secretary. You're supposed to give answers, not speculation. If
> the ballot was ambigous, or confusing, it is YOUR responsibility.
It has to be said that at least I am taking YOU personally responsable
for a lot of wh
>> > Do you have any other idea in mind?
> Btw, Joerg, that goes for you too. If you have something constructive to say,
> this would be a good time.
How about you going elsewhere until Lenny is released, then coming back
as soon as that happens and start working on what is left to fix then?
(No
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:32:10AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > Do you have any other idea in mind?
Btw, Joerg, that goes for you too. If you have something constructive to say,
this would be a good time.
--
Robert Millan
The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide wh
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:32:10AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>
> > So, I think you made a mistake, a very serious one, and when asked about it,
> > your explanation is completely unsatisfactory. How do we solve this?
> > Currently, the only solution I see is that we ask the developers what they
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 11:37:01PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>I think its best we end up with 2 options on the vote,
>
> 1) Increase requirements to 2Q [3:1]
> 2) Increase requirements to Q [3:1]
>
> and also the usual Further Discussion, which would be for everyone who
> wants to keep the cur
> So, I think you made a mistake, a very serious one, and when asked about it,
> your explanation is completely unsatisfactory. How do we solve this?
> Currently, the only solution I see is that we ask the developers what they
> think, and hold another vote. Do you have any other idea in mind?
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