Re: Debian Sarge does not have either version of apt-proxy

2004-09-23 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > On 23-09-2004 15:50, Chris Bell wrote: > |The current Sarge has neither the stable version of apt-proxy nor the > | development version 1.9.18 currently only in Sid. Is there a reason why > | neither version is included in the current Sarge-testing

Re: non-secret discussion on debian-project!

2004-09-23 Thread Richard A. Hecker
On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 02:55:41AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > On 23-09-2004 19:30, Richard A. Hecker wrote: > .. > | It is wrong for a person to equate d-private == secret_content. > > Somewhat true. The problem is that emails not explicitly declared > differently must be kept secret

Re: non-secret discussion on debian-project!

2004-09-23 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23-09-2004 19:30, Richard A. Hecker wrote: | On Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 08:53:39PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: | |>Thank you for not abusing our secret mailinglist for irrelevant stuff |>like pointing fingers at (cute?) attempts to follow our Socia

Re: Patent clauses in licenses

2004-09-23 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-09-22 15:05:00 +0100 Michael Poole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there a way to use patenting against itself? For all the times I have seen someone suggest that, I have yet to see a good way to do that. [...] I don't know patent law well enough to answer. I have mostly created litera

Re: non-secret discussion on debian-project!

2004-09-23 Thread Richard A. Hecker
On Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 08:53:39PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > Thank you for not abusing our secret mailinglist for irrelevant stuff > like pointing fingers at (cute?) attempts to follow our Social Contract. > > Feel free to quote my parts of this email in public! > > I see nothing secret

Re: Debian Sarge does not have either version of apt-proxy

2004-09-23 Thread Chris Bell
On Thu 23 Sep, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > On 23-09-2004 18:42, Chris Bell wrote: > | On Thu 23 Sep, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > | > |> > |>On 23-09-2004 15:50, Chris Bell wrote: > |> > |>|The current Sarge has neither the stable version of apt-proxy nor the > |>| development version 1.9.18 curren

Re: non-secret discussion on debian-project!

2004-09-23 Thread David Nusinow
--- Jonas Smedegaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A wildly interesting discussion is taking place at > debian-project > currently, with the subject "How to solve problem X > least secretly". > > Come on everybody and show the world that you care > about when our secret > mailinglist is appropriat

Re: Debian Sarge does not have either version of apt-proxy

2004-09-23 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23-09-2004 18:42, Chris Bell wrote: | On Thu 23 Sep, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: | |> |>On 23-09-2004 15:50, Chris Bell wrote: |> |>|The current Sarge has neither the stable version of apt-proxy nor the |>| development version 1.9.18 currently only

Re: Debian Sarge does not have either version of apt-proxy

2004-09-23 Thread Chris Bell
On Thu 23 Sep, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > On 23-09-2004 15:50, Chris Bell wrote: > > |The current Sarge has neither the stable version of apt-proxy nor the > | development version 1.9.18 currently only in Sid. Is there a reason why > | neither version is included in the current Sarge-test

Re: Debian Sarge does not have either version of apt-proxy

2004-09-23 Thread Chris Bell
On Thu 23 Sep, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 23-09-2004 15:50, Chris Bell wrote: > > |The current Sarge has neither the stable version of apt-proxy nor the > | development version 1.9.18 currently only in Sid. Is there a reason why > | nei

Re: Two Macedonias

2004-09-23 Thread John Hasler
Vassilis Grigoriadi writes: > I'm sorry to say so, but if Debian does not comply to the resolution of > the foreign ministers of the EU than i will be in the unpleasent position > to bring the subject to the EU court. And quotes: > ...the Secretariat is hereby instructed... Debian is not part of

Re: Debian Sarge does not have either version of apt-proxy

2004-09-23 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23-09-2004 15:50, Chris Bell wrote: |The current Sarge has neither the stable version of apt-proxy nor the | development version 1.9.18 currently only in Sid. Is there a reason why | neither version is included in the current Sarge-testing? S

Debian Sarge does not have either version of apt-proxy

2004-09-23 Thread Chris Bell
Hello, The current Sarge has neither the stable version of apt-proxy nor the development version 1.9.18 currently only in Sid. Is there a reason why neither version is included in the current Sarge-testing? I feel that it would be a mistake to omit both versions from Sarge when it is released.

Re: Re: Re: Two Macedonias

2004-09-23 Thread Vassilis Grigoriadis
Another solution could be to wait and keep the name as FYROM, since in a few months the negotiations between Greece and FYROM will start and will have as their subject the name of the country. Just another solution, Vassilis Grigoriadis -Original Message- From: MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Patent clauses in licenses

2004-09-23 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 12:25:21PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > And again, I don't believe "the freedom to prosecute with patent > > accusations" is an important "freedom" to protect, any more than > > "freedom to take my software proprietary". I think it's valid and > > legitimate for a free

Re: Re: Two Macedonias

2004-09-23 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-09-23 11:33:49 +0100 Vassilis Grigoriadis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm sorry to say so, but if Debian does not comply to the resolution of the foreign ministers of the EU than i will be in the unpleasent position to bring the subject to the EU court. Matthew Garrett has already

Re: Two Macedonias

2004-09-23 Thread Konstantinos Margaritis
Since, my comments displeased some people who were brave enough to accuse me of 'selling my country', I hereby denounce all 'authority' with regards to such matters. Feel free to decide whatever you like, I prefer to spend my time in some actually useful area, for example, complete the greek su

Re: Two Macedonias

2004-09-23 Thread Matthew Garrett
Vassilis Grigoriadis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am putting the Resolution so you can read it. I'm sorry to say so, > but if Debian does not comply to the resolution of the foreign > ministers of the EU than i will be in the unpleasent position to bring > the subject to the EU court. (snip)

Re: Patent clauses in licenses

2004-09-23 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 09:43:24PM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2004 at 02:09:18PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > > Respectively: the freedom to prosecute with and defend yourself > > against patent accusations; the freedom to bear arms; and the freedom > > to use nuclear technology. Of

Re: How to solve problem X least secretly

2004-09-23 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 23-09-2004 11:51, Konstantinos Margaritis wrote: | On ??? 23 ??? 2004 12:23, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: | |>So you would welcome a [EMAIL PROTECTED] That (or |>another delay of your choosing) should solve the above concern, and |>at the same time plea

Re: Two Macedonias

2004-09-23 Thread Ognyan Kulev
Vassilis Grigoriadis wrote: According to the EU Resolution FYROM cannot have the name Macedonia. If you plan to use this name then you have to add in a parenthesis the word Slav: Macedonia (Slav) I (as a Slavic) think that this name is very good. Regards, ogi

Re: Two Macedonias

2004-09-23 Thread John Summerfield
Konstantinos Margaritis wrote: On Πεμ 23 Σεπ 2004 11:44, Christian Perrier wrote: 2) use the names 'Republic Macedonia' and 'Greek Macedonia'. I like that one, but, as Steve Langasek said, in the namespace of autonomous territories, there is no collision at all. Well, in my

Re: Re: Two Macedonias

2004-09-23 Thread Vassilis Grigoriadis
According to the EU Resolution FYROM cannot have the name Macedonia. If you plan to use this name then you have to add in a parenthesis the word Slav: Macedonia (Slav) I am putting the Resolution so you can read it. I'm sorry to say so, but if Debian does not comply to the resolution of the for

Re: Patent clauses in licenses

2004-09-23 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 11:22:51AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: > I don't believe that the freedom to bear arms in urban areas is an > important freedom to protect, but it's not one that copyright law has > much to do with. My use of copyright law should leave it unchanged. > This is preservation of ind

Re: Patent clauses in licenses

2004-09-23 Thread MJ Ray
On 2004-09-23 02:43:24 +0100 Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And again, I don't believe "the freedom to prosecute with patent accusations" is an important "freedom" to protect, any more than "freedom to take my software proprietary". I think it's valid and legitimate for a free license

Re: Why is debian.org email so unreliable?

2004-09-23 Thread Konstantinos Margaritis
On Πεμ 23 Σεπ 2004 12:23, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > So you would welcome a [EMAIL PROTECTED] That (or > another delay of your choosing) should solve the above concern, and > at the same time please us annoying folks who keep yelling "don't > use d-p for this and that". No, but i've taken your advi

Re: Two Macedonias

2004-09-23 Thread Konstantinos Margaritis
On Πεμ 23 Σεπ 2004 11:44, Christian Perrier wrote: > > > 2) use the names 'Republic Macedonia' and 'Greek Macedonia'. > > > > I like that one, but, as Steve Langasek said, in the namespace of > > autonomous territories, there is no collision at all. > > Well, in my opinion, if we decide changing F

Re: Two Macedonias

2004-09-23 Thread Christian Perrier
> > 2) use the names 'Republic Macedonia' and 'Greek Macedonia'. > > I like that one, but, as Steve Langasek said, in the namespace of > autonomous territories, there is no collision at all. Well, in my opinion, if we decide changing FYROM to something in iso-codes (and thus, as a direct conseq

Re: Two Macedonias

2004-09-23 Thread Ognyan Kulev
Konstantinos Margaritis wrote: I would really like to know why this looks funny to you, but I'll refrain from starting such a discussion in these lists. If you indeed have a reason, I'd be interested to know it, please mail me privately. I know that the history of Macedonia is taught differen

Re: Two Macedonias

2004-09-23 Thread Konstantinos Margaritis
(Please CC me, I am not on -project) On Πεμ 23 Σεπ 2004 04:45, siward wrote: > Hi all, > The government of Greece, > and presumably also the people of the Greek Province Macedonia, > strongly object to > the former yugoslav republic Macedonia being called Macedonia. > The Greek government s

Re: Two Macedonias

2004-09-23 Thread Konstantinos Margaritis
On Πεμ 23 Σεπ 2004 10:39, Ognyan Kulev wrote: > siward wrote: > > I think the people of Greek Macedonia have a different objection > > : they were always called Macedonia, > > and now another region is trying to take their name away from > > them, which is offensive. > > This makes me laugh. I w

Re: Two Macedonias

2004-09-23 Thread Ognyan Kulev
siward wrote: I think the people of Greek Macedonia have a different objection : they were always called Macedonia, and now another region is trying to take their name away from them, which is offensive. This makes me laugh. It is possible that the peope of their northernly neighbour st

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